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[pebblesofsand]

Let me preempt by saying I haven’t actually seen this footage.

But from what I have read and heard Starc’s catch was definitely a proper dismissal, and it should have been given out. Cummings was well within his rights to ask the batsman to walk, and the batter should have walked.

Nah clearly out - don't listen to anyone - there's no reason why anyone would think the ball touched the ground.

 

[Hubnester]

That one was a bit baffling to me, I wasn't aware of the 'body in control' interpretation so seeing the ball in complete control with two hands around it looked a certainty. I have never seen that happen before

Made me wonder if he had have just grabbed it and immediately thrown it up in celebration, like many others do, would it have counted?

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Exactly right.

By the rules Bairstow was clearly out, the question is about Cummins's ethics in not withdrawing the appeal. Sometimes "winning" is not everything.

Adam Gilchrist won my respect for this, just like Cummins lost some in this incident (not that it will worry him)

I can't watch that without thinking it's the 12th Man commentating.

Tony Greig sounds more like Billy Birmingham than he does Tony Greig

 

[StFly]

In other news, I wish I could start work 2hrs later like the power mob on outages, then state oh, might be 5 hrs later cause I CBF for it to be fixed yet. Would be cushy job.

 

[phantom13]

Its ridiculous to claim the Poms doing it and the catch are irrelevant.

Spirit of the game has to exist for all parties, why the hell should we be the moral high ground at the expense of winning? This double standard and being disappointed by the Aussies while excusing the English is dumb (CursingFijian to your point both teams probably got away with one so play on all round).

 

[Dard Ball Get]

To me it's similar to N Riewoldt asking for the ball from Griffin Logue

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- only for it to be 50m.
Maybe a little further apart, but J Selwood ducking for all those years to win frees.

If you can get away with it, everyone would do it. The Poms are kidding themselves, what's new.

 

[Mowman]

To me it's similar to N Riewoldt asking for the ball from Griffin Logue - only for it to be 50m.
Maybe a little further apart, but J Selwood ducking for all those years to win frees.

If you can get away with it, everyone would do it. The Poms are kidding themselves, what's new.

 

[StFly]

In the other news, have worked an entire 1 hr today thus far, am smashing some amatriciana angle hair pasta in the interim, only with red wine cause gimmie meaty body you snowflakes.

Here's to maybe 3 more hours of waiting to see if the power drops out or not.

 

[CursingFijian]

In other news, I wish I could start work 2hrs later like the power mob on outages, then state oh, might be 5 hrs later cause I CBF for it to be fixed yet. Would be cushy job.

I suppose electricity faults are a job where fools rush in?

 

[StFly]

I suppose electricity faults are a job where fools rush in?

Little bit rainy where I am, by that I mean there's technically water dropping but as if you could feel it, just the letter I got was 9:15 to 11:15 and turn everything off between then, so I did, then check the app and update at 11:09am was they started at 11:06am, it's now essentially 1pm and I still have to wait on that estimate.

So what was intended to be a 2hr downtime is potentially a 6hr downtime, because they took 2hours to start work as might be a little wet, might be a little cold, might be any number of reasons, all might be valid, but I had to hunt for that, they CBF informing me about it and now I am just inconvenienced instead. It's not even a fault, it's a planned outage under general maintenance flag.

 

[CursingFijian]

To me it's similar to N Riewoldt asking for the ball from Griffin Logue - only for it to be 50m.
Maybe a little further apart, but J Selwood ducking for all those years to win frees.

If you can get away with it, everyone would do it. The Poms are kidding themselves, what's new.

Completely different, because AFL doesn't have a 'Spirit of the Game' convention that underpins it. Riewoldt just had to endure, and rightly so, the "Nick Riewoldt, that was a flog act" narrative.

It would be closer to Cameron Smith motioning to Rory McIlroy that a 2cm putt is given, McIlroy picking up his ball and then Smith saying, Hah! I didn't actually speak the words, so cop a two stroke penalty. Because golf etiquette is real.

 

[George]

Lol at it not being a catch because it "touched the ground". If he's in control of the ball all the way through then it's a catch. Common sense is lost on some of course.

 

[Joffaboy]

They did try it, but that’s irrelevant.

This is purely and simply about the Australian cricket team and that phenomenon known as ‘The Spirit of the Game’.

If you accept that TSotG is a real thing then the batsman should have been recalled.

I want my team (the Australians) to win. But I also want them to be the standard bearers for the Spirit of the Game.

Absolute codswallop.

the spirit of the game is a nebulous load of garbage. It is a preamble to the laws of cricket, it is used for convienence when a lawful decision has gone against a team.

They have not accepted the umpires decision - in the preamble of the Spirit of the Game
they have not fostered a harmonious atmosphere - in the preamble of the Spirit of the Game
They have not congratulated the winning team - in the preamble of the Spirit of the Game

They are not the arbiters of the spirit of the game, they do not get to dictate their convienent morality when it suits them and they are in a cult of Bazball and 2-0
They are hypocrites pure and simple, they do the same thing, they are arrogant whingers and can get ****ed.

 

[CursingFijian]

Its ridiculous to claim the Poms doing it and the catch are irrelevant.

Spirit of the game has to exist for all parties, why the hell should we be the moral high ground at the expense of winning? This double standard and being disappointed by the Aussies while excusing the English is dumb (CursingFijian to your point both teams probably got away with one so play on all round).

Spirit of the Game does exist for all parties. I think what you mean to say is that all parties should be equally committed to it.

For me this is not a ruthless vs nice guy issue although some are taking it that way.

For me this is do Australian cricketers abide by the convention called 'The Spirit of the Game'? If we don't, it being only peculiar to the English, then play on. If we do, and I'm pretty sure we do, then every situation where this convention is tested we must fall on the side of convention. The Bairstow dismissal falls into that category for me.

I don't agree with the narrative that the English aren't so we shouldn't. Let's show them up and kick their arse.

 

[George]

Most cricket supporters would probably say both teams got away with one each, call it a draw and play on. That’s my overarching view.

That's my view.

Also a bit rich from the poms whinging about spirt of the game given they do it all the time.

 

[CursingFijian]

Lol at it not being a catch because it "touched the ground". If he's in control of the ball all the way through then it's a catch. Common sense is lost on some of course.

I agree, it was a fair catch every day of the week.

Cummings would have been completely within his rights to halt the game and ask the batsman to walk.

 

[Joffaboy]

Spirit of the Game does exist for all parties. I think what you mean to say is that all parties should be equally committed to it.

For me this is not a ruthless vs nice guy issue although some are taking it that way.

For me this is do Australian cricketers abide by the convention called 'The Spirit of the Game'? If we don't, it being only peculiar to the English, then play on. If we do, and I'm pretty sure we do, then every situation where this convention is tested we must fall on the side of convention. The Bairstow dismissal falls into that category for me.

I don't agree with the narrative that the English aren't so we shouldn't. Let's show them up and kick their arse.

The preamble also says that cricket is a great game and is played by many different countries and people.

All of those countries have different cultures and approaches. But the English think they are the moral arbiters of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Sth Africa, and any other cricket playing nation with a completely different set of values to the English.

It is a colonialist throwback when the 'gentlemen', i.e the 1%, the Raj, told all the colonialists what to do because of British exceptionalism and as the old Etonian saying went - they are all wogs from Calias to the Cape.

It is this moral superiority that grates me, they think they have the right to tell other cultures their moral duty, but only when the call goes against them. the absolute cheek, they are a nothing nation living on past glories, and can **** of and die.

 

[CursingFijian]

Spirit of the Game does exist for all parties. I think what you mean to say is that all parties should be equally committed to it.

For me this is not a ruthless vs nice guy issue although some are taking it that way.

For me this is do Australian cricketers abide by the convention called 'The Spirit of the Game'? If we don't, it being only peculiar to the English, then play on. If we do, and I'm pretty sure we do, then every situation where this convention is tested we must fall on the side of convention. The Bairstow dismissal falls into that category for me.

I don't agree with the narrative that the English aren't so we shouldn't. Let's show them up and kick their arse.

Let's be honest there's a fair bit of indignant whinging about the Poms going on in your post, and in this thread, it's a bit rich to single them out as whingers.

The Bairstow incident is purely about Australian Cricket and it's relationship with 'The Spirit of The Game'. If the same thing happened against the Fiji Cricket team then I would expect the Australian cricket team recalls the batsman as well.

 

[Joffaboy]

I agree, it was a fair catch every day of the week.

Cummings would have been completely within his rights to halt the game and ask the batsman to walk.

No it wasn't, it was against the laws o the game, and Australia accepted the ruling of the umpire. If the batter wanted to walk because of the nebulous 'spirit of the game' that's his decision, it not up to Cummins or any Australian to impose their moral standards on anyone else.

 

[George]

Anyone with a pair of eyes can see it was a clear catch. If the ball moved around in his hand after he hit the ground then no catch, if he controls it all the way through then it's a catch.

If you watch that vision and conclude he didn't catch that ball then you are blind or the rules need an overhaul.

 

[Joffaboy]

Let's be honest there's a fair bit of indignant whinging about the Poms going on in your post, and in this thread, it's a bit rich to single them out as whingers.

The Bairstow incident is purely about Australian Cricket and it's relationship with 'The Spirit of The Game'. If the same thing happened against the Fiji Cricket team then I would expect the Australian cricket team recalls the batsman as well.

Ok now it is an attack on me because I called out the English and their superiority complex. The Bairstow is NOT purely about Australian cricket, what an incredibly superficial statement.
If the same thing happened against the Fiji team, I would expect the Fijians to accept the umpires decision in the nebulous and convienent 'spirit of the game'.
Once again Fiji should not impart their value and culture on other nations. The arrogance to think that Australia should adhere to what Fiji, or Pakistan or the ****ing English think is morality is the most ridiculous concept I think I have ever heard.

It is cultural imperialism writ large. You may like that but, I dont want chinless puce faced snobs of a failed empire and country imposing their high moral values (a country that has murdered millions in wars of conquest) on Australian culture or values.

 

[phantom13]

Spirit of the Game does exist for all parties. I think what you mean to say is that all parties should be equally committed to it.

For me this is not a ruthless vs nice guy issue although some are taking it that way.

For me this is do Australian cricketers abide by the convention called 'The Spirit of the Game'? If we don't, it being only peculiar to the English, then play on. If we do, and I'm pretty sure we do, then every situation where this convention is tested we must fall on the side of convention. The Bairstow dismissal falls into that category for me.

I don't agree with the narrative that the English aren't so we shouldn't. Let's show them up and kick their arse.

No I meant what I said and said what I meant.

I agree, it was a fair catch every day of the week.

Cummings would have been completely within his rights to halt the game and ask the batsman to walk.

And Stokes would have been completely within his right to tell Cummins to jog on.

I stand to be corrected but the first point of the spirit of the game is respect and umpires command the most respect of all.

If they deemed the Starc catch and the Bairstow run outs as being correct then isn’t respecting their decision the ultimate form of respecting the spirit of the game.

 

[CursingFijian]

Fair play all.

I've said my piece and am happy to move on.

 

[George]

Let's be honest there's a fair bit of indignant whinging about the Poms going on in your post, and in this thread, it's a bit rich to single them out as whingers.

The Bairstow incident is purely about Australian Cricket and it's relationship with 'The Spirit of The Game'. If the same thing happened against the Fiji Cricket team then I would expect the Australian cricket team recalls the batsman as well.

Both instances should've been called out IMO. Simple eye test should suffice.

Clear catch and should've been called as such. If that catch is considered not out because of the rules then the rules need changing.

As for the Bairstow wicket, if Carey deliberately waited after taking possession of the ball before throwing it then it would go against spirit of the game. But he didn't, he took control of the ball and immediately threw it at the stumps, similar to stumpings off spin bowlers. Fair game and Bairstow out of his crease. Either Bairstow waits for the umpires call for the end of the over, or the umpire calls it quicker. Got nothing to do with Carey - caught ball, saw player out of crease, threw at stumps.

Quite funny seeing the reaction though. To me both are clear and obvious decisions.

 

[Joffaboy]

Posted this in the 2nd Test cricket thread.

The parallel's are there for all to see.

Have watched a lot of British politics and YouTube channels since Brexit.
Brexit has changed the English mentality, they generally believe in feelings over fact, are in denial that Brexit has helped destroy their economy and the delusion that if they 'believe' hard enough everything would be fine.

Feelings over facts.

Seems like the mentality has permeated their nation cricket team. The whole Bazball thing is their sports Brexit, a cult like belief, and by just saying stuff makes it a reality.
It truly is a bit sad that a once great UK has descended so far into denial and delusion.

Since Brexit their mentality is that because they got what they want, to leave the EU, but it has not gone well, the EU is victimising them, with trade and travel and they complain endlessly about restricted travel and red tape destroying trade.

Since Bazball their mentality is that they are the self appointed saviour of test cricket, and beat some minnows. Have come across the world champs and lost the first test.

Their 'feelings' were that they had played 'all the cricket', and 'felt like they won'. Delusion and denial.

Test two, put the opposition in, got all the advantages of the conditions, behind all the way, get beaten to be 2-0.

This doesn't fit with the delusion that Bazball is the saviour. Reality is inconvenient, so the cult has an almighty meltdown and exposes them to universal derision about their blatant hypocrisy on the 'Spirit of Cricket'.

The parallels between the delusion and victimisation of Brexiteers and the delusion and victimisation of the Bazball cultists can not be ignored and is uncanny in their similarity.