Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[Brant]

They are miles over the cap and thats being generous. Its coming from within GWS too , not media and not even us .
They have approached some clubs us included to make offers on a few of their players .
Salary dump for potential picks . Pretty simple.

Cant make it much more clear than that .

Not clear until Cal Twomey says it.

 

[naysayer]

This is a hypothetical thread, if you're going to continue to get upset about the presence of hypothetical deals you may wish to close the tab and take a few deep breaths.

If you're going to condescend to anyone who you don't agree with, then just mute them.

 

[FB19]

So if Haynes and pick 11 is equivalent to the salary only then do that deal separately. Riccardi I can take or leave but not for anything earlier than a 3rd.

 

[burger09]

So is it fair to say we are very much in the race for both Haynes + pick and Riccardi either separately or as a package?

Someone call Gill immediately.

This sounds like draft tampering to me.

 

[thehardway]

Wait.
You're buying Haynes with a 2nd or 3rd Round Pick - then paying him $750k to play 2nds.

What am I missing here?

Ricardi

 

[thehardway]

Let's talk Riccardi!

Do we need to chase a key forward like him? Compares statistically with Kosi, and Brandon Ryan seems a much better prospect.

23yr old/198cm/100kg power forward just breaking out. Yep, we absolutely should be chasing him.

 

[KermitJagger]

If you're going to condescend to anyone who you don't agree with, then just mute them.

Is this not exactly what you've been doing for the past 10 pages?

 

[naysayer]

Is this not exactly what you've been doing for the past 10 pages?

I haven't been rude to anyone, and it's not really a great excuse for you even if it were true.

23yr old/198cm/100kg power forward just breaking out. Yep, we absolutely should be chasing him.

Just feel he's a 2nd tier option, and we have a number of them. Think we should save our pennies for a top shelf player. Maybe we reckon he's better than his form suggests.

 

[perrdan86]

23yr old/198cm/100kg power forward just breaking out. Yep, we absolutely should be chasing him.

Did he get subbed out last week?

 

[Lickmesocks]

What I was told a couple of weeks back.

Brocky gone.
Hawks have had chats with Tom Papley

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Tom Papley

Age

28

Ht

177cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

9.1

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

12.3

3star

K

8.9

4star

HB

3.4

2star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.5

2star

G

2.4

5star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.6

5star

about returning to Melbourne
Flying Ryan not happening.
Riccardi Breezer was only 50-50 at best.

Again this was a couple of weeks back and not the same info as what some other posters are going with.

 

[Dewnior]

Happy to discuss. IMO everything that McKay does well, Esava does better. Both are a good mark under the high ball. Neither are fast. Esava is a better field kick (critical for the Hawks). Esava can play fwd and ruck.

Um, no he can't.

 

[Dewnior]

threesixpio took on the burden to allow Moorey to flourish.

Who will take on the burden of #6 in the draft if we get it?

Buyer beware. This is the price threesixpio paid to reverse the curse

 

[naysayer]

What I was told a couple of weeks back.

Brocky gone.
Hawks have had chats with Tom Papley about returning to Melbourne
Flying Ryan not happening.
Riccardi Breezer was only 50-50 at best.

Again this was a couple of weeks back and not the same info as what some other posters are going with.

Tom Papley would be a great get.

 

[Brant]

23yr old/198cm/100kg power forward just breaking out. Yep, we absolutely should be chasing him.

Don't think 'power forward' is Riccardi's game, at all.

Future 2nd with a 2023 4th (McCabe) coming back??

 

[thehardway]

Don't think 'power forward' is Riccardi's game, at all.

Future 2nd with a 2023 4th (McCabe) coming back??

First things first, we have to convince him to leave GWS. If we can I'd be very happy to give up a future 2nd. As for Haynes I think we're dreaming that they'll trade him plus their 1st round draft pick to us just for salary cap relief.

 

[Bugs1977]

Happy to discuss. IMO everything that McKay does well, Esava does better. Both are a good mark under the high ball. Neither are fast. Esava is a better field kick (critical for the Hawks). Esava can play fwd and ruck.

McKay has One function = a defender stopper against the big slower fwds. Frankly I don’t see what other do in him.

Esava is a Swiss-army-knife tall. back / fwd/ tall, in each of these positions he can provide value.

I’d provide a good some of money on a longish time frame for a player who can be our Swiss-Army-Tall.

I reckon with the Swans missing out on Barras they’ll now be sniffing around Esava.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I reckon with the Swans missing out on Barras they’ll now be sniffing around Esava.

I’d think Port are already across the line there.

 

[Dipper]

On the subject of Riccardi is not the key question whether he can chop out ruck, I know he's done it but I don't know if he's done it well.

The Reeves-Meek duo looks dead, even Gawn-Grundy can't make it work.

Kosi looked good last time out as the bustling 3rd tall second ruck, obviously we need to see how Let's go Brandon develops but isn't any question around Riccardi whether he can be better than Kosi in that role (significant upgrade) rather than his basic merits as KF?

 

[nickrebellious]

What I was told a couple of weeks back.

Brocky gone.
Hawks have had chats with Tom Papley about returning to Melbourne
Flying Ryan not happening.
Riccardi Breezer was only 50-50 at best.

Again this was a couple of weeks back and not the same info as what some other posters are going with.

Papley is my favourite Swan. What gets this done? We would have to find a mid to late first from somewhere. Haynes salary dump into Papley?

 

[hawkguru]

Tom Papley would be a great get.

 

[suburb whispers]

Papley is my favourite Swan. What gets this done? We would have to find a mid to late first from somewhere. Haynes salary dump into Papley?

I’d really doubt the Swans would be open to losing Papley AND Buddy from their forward line for season ‘24…

 

[daniel23]

Papley is a pipedream and what we would have to give up I'd prefer to use on a key position player.

 

[Brant]

On the subject of Riccardi is not the key question whether he can chop out ruck, I know he's done it but I don't know if he's done it well.

The Reeves-Meek duo looks dead, even Gawn-Grundy can't make it work.

Kosi looked good last time out as the bustling 3rd tall second ruck, obviously we need to see how Let's go Brandon develops but isn't any question around Riccardi whether he can be better than Kosi in that role (significant upgrade) rather than his basic merits as KF?

Riccardi could replace Ryan, with Kosi/Rama as the FWD/Ruck.

Be handy if Riccardi could ruck, but my first question relates to whether or not he can succeed as a genuine FF?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I’d imagine they any deal with the Suns for pick 5 doesn’t occur until draft night.
They’ll spend the trade period securing points in other ways from trading out players.

 

[TassieGrown]

Tom Papley would be a great get.

Not sure i could warm to Papley even in a Hawks jumper