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Owens is better at generating clearances than your general AFL forward/ruck FWIW.

Yes he is.

But his clearance winning ability wasn't really shining out like it was on another level or anything.

He averaged 1.6 per game.

I think he could be a clearance monster once he works on his craft a bit more. Because he's unbelievable at winning contests.
 
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Owens too. Meant to be a hard at it contested midfielder. Fyfe style
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Owens’ unofficial ’apprenticeship’ under Steele has ultimately resulted in him soaring ahead of the curve, with his impressive pre-season campaign – much of which has been spent shadowing the captain – earning him a place in St Kilda’s starting line-up for Friday night’s opener against Collingwood."

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The sturdy on-baller had all the right attributes to be making an impact – at 191cm and 93kg, he’s the perfect template for the modern-day footballer – but had never really taken the game alight during his early days in the NAB League."

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While first-year players are often shielded from their far more experienced and physically mature teammates, Owens was placed right in the coalface as the Saints’ match simulation sessions heated up.

The No. 24 would be a near-constant presence at centre bounces, many times with Steele as his direct opponent. The ensuing duels between the fledgling Saint and two-time Best & Fairest weren’t one-sided, as you’d typically expect."

I hate seeing the Owens isn't going to be a midfielder thing. Same as the Pou ones. If they're meant to be forwards they'll be very averages ones at that. Replaced in a few years when an actual forward gets drafted and comes on. They're Bont/Fyfe midfielders and they have to be.
So they are Bont/ Fyfe mids? What exactly have you seen that makes them comparable to two of the greatest mids in recent history?

Based on what apart from the hype on this forum?

Now both have shown talent, but I have seen little in their games played to suggest that they are anywhere near that level. As mids so far they have been below par when on the ball.

Now at present Pou is not showing the strength of Bont or Fyfe and just gets pushed off the ball easily. However he was bottom aged, and so hopefully next season he will have the strength to compete on ball.


Now I understand the the hope, the longing, for a gun mid as we all know that is the main thing holding us back at present. But just wanting it to be, will not make it be.
 
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Gees this is something we have been craving for years and its a pleasing sight for us crusted on supporters. A win against GCS on the weekend a we can start aiming for a top 4 finish.


Goldy has a good VFL side unfortunately.
 
Sandy playing at RSEA, might be worth the trip down
My boy is playing in the U/15 Interleague game after the Sandy game (7.30pm under lights). Will be a huge thrill to play on the hallowed turf!
 
So they are Bont/ Fyfe mids? What exactly have you seen that makes them comparable to two of the greatest mids in recent history?

Based on what apart from the hype on this forum?

Now both have shown talent, but I have seen little in their games played to suggest that they are anywhere near that level. As mids so far they have been below par when on the ball.

Now at present Pou is not showing the strength of Bont or Fyfe and just gets pushed off the ball easily. However he was bottom she, and so hopefully next season will have the strength to compete on ball.


Now I understand the the hope, the longing, for a gun mid as we all know that is the main thing holding us back at present. But just wanting it to be, will not make it be.
Owens was the best post-clearance contest player in the comp last year - that can draw comparisons to Fyfe. Same body type, same hunger for contest, and same style of shit kicking. He just needs to build his midfield craft.

Pou is a long way off but probably not his fault - he's been playing forward his entire career so far and only just started playing mids at a competitive level. Every time he played mids in AFL he got fed to the wolves which is not how you develop kids - let alone kids who were a few days off being ineligible for the draft! Bont didn't debut until round 5, so he had time to develop his craft in the 2s albeit a very short stint. Just give Pou some time to play in his natural position and get some confidence back before judging him
 
Owens was the best post-clearance contest player in the comp last year

My comments were on their ability to play as an on ball mid, not in general play. Owens is a beast in general play, Pou not (at least yet).

- that can draw comparisons to Fyfe. Same body type, same hunger for contest, and same style of shit kicking. He just needs to build his midfield craft.
That was my point, that as a mid that both he and Pou are this year not mids, and certainly not Bont/Fyfe like on the ball.

IMO jury is still out on whether Pou or Owens can build that craft. Owens has the strength now, Pour does not.


Now yes Owens is a contested ball beast, but in general play, not when he has played as a mid. There is a big difference in winning the ball in space and where you have more tie to think about things in general compared to winning the ball at a ruck contest as a mid.


Now take Marshal as an example. Often wins a large number of clearances. But this is him mainly do it against the opposition ruck by him grabbing the ball. That is vastly different to trying to win a clearance by roving a tap out. If it was the same thing, then with our shortage of mids they may have played Marshall as a mid. But it is isn't and so they have not.

Pou is a long way off but probably not his fault - he's been playing forward his entire career so far and only just started playing mids at a competitive level. Every time he played mids in AFL he got fed to the wolves which is not how you develop kids - let alone kids who were a few days off being ineligible for the draft! Bont didn't debut until round 5, so he had time to develop his craft in the 2s albeit a very short stint. Just give Pou some time to play in his natural position and get some confidence back before judging him

As written in my post he was bottom age and is not yet strong enough to play as a mid at AFL, but that hopefully he will be next year.


PS Of our younger players, at present Windy is the one who has so far shown the most ability as an on ball mid. Hopefully Pou and Owns go past him.
 
So they are Bont/ Fyfe mids? What exactly have you seen that makes them comparable to two of the greatest mids in recent history?

Based on what apart from the hype on this forum?

Now both have shown talent, but I have seen little in their games played to suggest that they are anywhere near that level. As mids so far they have been below par when on the ball.

Now at present Pou is not showing the strength of Bont or Fyfe and just gets pushed off the ball easily. However he was bottom aged, and so hopefully next season he will have the strength to compete on ball.


Now I understand the the hope, the longing, for a gun mid as we all know that is the main thing holding us back at present. But just wanting it to be, will not make it be.

Owens was the best post-clearance contest player in the comp last year - that can draw comparisons to Fyfe. Same body type, same hunger for contest, and same style of shit kicking. He just needs to build his midfield craft.

Pou is a long way off but probably not his fault - he's been playing forward his entire career so far and only just started playing mids at a competitive level. Every time he played mids in AFL he got fed to the wolves which is not how you develop kids - let alone kids who were a few days off being ineligible for the draft! Bont didn't debut until round 5, so he had time to develop his craft in the 2s albeit a very short stint. Just give Pou some time to play in his natural position and get some confidence back before judging him

My comments were on their ability to play as an on ball mid, not in general play. Owens is a beast in general play, Pou not (at least yet).


That was my point, that as a mid that both he and Pou are this year not mids, and certainly not Bont/Fyfe like on the ball.

IMO jury is still out on whether Pou or Owens can build that craft. Owens has the strength now, Pour does not.


Now yes Owens is a contested ball beast, but in general play, not when he has played as a mid. There is a big difference in winning the ball in space and where you have more tie to think about things in general compared to winning the ball at a ruck contest as a mid.


Now take Marshal as an example. Often wins a large number of clearances. But this is him mainly do it against the opposition ruck by him grabbing the ball. That is vastly different to trying to win a clearance by roving a tap out. If it was the same thing, then with our shortage of mids they may have played Marshall as a mid. But it is isn't and so they have not.



As written in my post he was bottom age and is not yet strong enough to play as a mid at AFL, but that hopefuly he will be next year.


PS Of our younger players, at present Windy is the one who has shown the most ability as an on ball mid.
I agree with Windy being a fantastic on ball mid. He’s a genuine midfielder but I see him in that Jack Steele mould. Contested possessions, neat enough disposal, tackles, a consistent and good inside midfielder. I’m hoping Pou and Owens can be the explosive mids that can burst out of packs and kick goals.

Owens contested marking prowess and general strength along with his height make me think that he can be that bont/fyfe type.

Pou was touted to be a bont type I think in the draft threads and I think I saw some comments saying if he was a month younger he would have been a top pick or the top pick in last year’s draft. (Though I’m starting to have doubts especially with how Harley Reid and Wilson look even better than him a year younger).

It’s less that they will definitely be that type of player for us but more that they are the only players on our list that CAN become that type of player. Need all the throws at the dartboard we can get. And if both of them and Windy become Steele, Bont, Fyfe level then we will be like Port now with their young star trio of Butters, Rozee, Horne-Francis
 
I agree with Windy being a fantastic on ball mid. He’s a genuine midfielder but I see him in that Jack Steele mould. Contested possessions, neat enough disposal, tackles, a consistent and good inside midfielder. I’m hoping Pou and Owens can be the explosive mids that can burst out of packs and kick goals.

Owens contested marking prowess and general strength along with his height make me think that he can be that bont/fyfe type.

Pou was touted to be a bont type I think in the draft threads and I think I saw some comments saying if he was a month younger he would have been a top pick or the top pick in last year’s draft. (Though I’m starting to have doubts especially with how Harley Reid and Wilson look even better than him a year younger).

It’s less that they will definitely be that type of player for us but more that they are the only players on our list that CAN become that type of player. Need all the throws at the dartboard we can get. And if both of them and Windy become Steele, Bont, Fyfe level then we will be like Port now with their young star trio of Butters, Rozee, Horne-Francis
Pou would've definitely been pick 2 behind Harley but ahead of Colby/Zane/Wiz etc due to his high potential. Wilson is thriving because he has a strength that is better than most AFL level players which is his running. However, imo his ceiling isn't as high as someone like Pou which is partly why he slid to our pick 18. Pou could develop into a physical specimen that can do anything; play fwd, mid, mark overhead, kick beautifully, break tackles, fend - like Bont. He already has the natural 360 spin in his repertoire
 
Pou would've definitely been pick 2 behind Harley but ahead of Colby/Zane/Wiz etc due to his high potential. Wilson is thriving because he has a strength that is better than most AFL level players which is his running. However, imo his ceiling isn't as high as someone like Pou which is partly why he slid to our pick 18. Pou could develop into a physical specimen that can do anything; play fwd, mid, mark overhead, kick beautifully, break tackles, fend - like Bont. He already has the natural 360 spin in his repertoire
I think to a degree you have hit the nail on the head here. People disregard the variation in when some of these boys actually physically mature. Some kids come in at 18 already close to fully mature and are very solid, while some take until they are about 22 or so. Pou is very much like your traditional key position height kid if you have a look at his build. He is probably another 2 years from properly filling out into a man's body, he's still got that lanky, rangy kids build.
 

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Owens was the best post-clearance contest player in the comp last year - that can draw comparisons to Fyfe. Same body type, same hunger for contest, and same style of shit kicking. He just needs to build his midfield craft.

Pou is a long way off but probably not his fault - he's been playing forward his entire career so far and only just started playing mids at a competitive level. Every time he played mids in AFL he got fed to the wolves which is not how you develop kids - let alone kids who were a few days off being ineligible for the draft! Bont didn't debut until round 5, so he had time to develop his craft in the 2s albeit a very short stint. Just give Pou some time to play in his natural position and get some confidence back before judging him

He's still number 1 in that stat this year or he was a few weeks ago at least anyway.
 
Park

SANDRINGHAM
B:
M. Ryan (74), B. Paton (33), L. O'Connell (45)
HB: Z. Jones (3), A. Hastie (24), A. Seaton (50)
C: O. Lowe (59), B. Watson (70), T. Blamires (53)
HF: R. Byrnes (13), C. Sharman (43), H. Hall-Kahan (55)
F: Le. Young (64)*, L. Collard (4), O. Hotton (37)
R: M. Heath (42), M. Phillipou (25), B. Crouch (5)
INT: T. Campbell (38), M. Allison (30), M. Hall (46), H. Garcia (34), Z. Cordy (21)
EMG: W. Vesely (73), L. Macnab (66), J. Docking (85), T. O'Leary (60), S. Latreille (67), W. Nish (56), L. Ryan (76)

IN: T. Campbell, L. Collard, Z. Cordy, Z. Jones, B. Paton
OUT: A. Schoenmaker (AFL), D. Hipwell (hamstring), A. McLennan (unavailable), L. Macnab, W. Vesely

Looks like Arie is the carry over emergency for the AFL side.
 

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