Opinion Matthew Nicks: Adelaide's Coach (Part 2) - Full Support of the Board

[WaynesWorld19]

People in the media very very rarely gun for the coach - they basically blame everything without naming Nicks....

Nicks has had 5 years at the club and has a 33% winning record, literally how much more do you need to see?

A bit of accuracy in analysis .....you're saying a Club's win/loss % should be viewed equally, irrespective of the maturity of the list .....unfortunately stats are not that simplistic

So ....the win/loss % of SYD, MELB, & COLL ....is comparable with NORTH & RICH

RICH at the start of a rebuild, NORTH still a young list ......but under your premise, Clarko & Yze need to be sacked & can't coach

Conversely, there is a strong argument, Goodwin isn't maximising the list at his disposal ......yet MELB are a mature list, a dynasty expected

If you accept my premise, that Coaches are judged on maximising the results of lists at their disposal ......is it surprising Bevo has been in the crosshairs ....Goodwin about to have the torch applied ....and of course we know what happened to Cameron, when he couldn't drive the Lamborghini

 

[Multiballz]

Review is a sham to start with if anyone’s position is safe before it starts.

Im comfortable so long as he gets Nicksy to pen the final draft.

Could end up being 1700 pages long.

 

[George Kramer]

A bit of accuracy in analysis .....you're saying a Club's win/loss % should be viewed equally, irrespective of the maturity of the list .....unfortunately stats are not that simplistic

So ....the win/loss % of SYD, MELB, & COLL ....is comparable with NORTH & RICH

RICH at the start of a rebuild, NORTH still a young list ......but under your premise, Clarko & Yze need to be sacked & can't coach

Conversely, there is a strong argument, Goodwin isn't maximising the list at his disposal ......yet MELB are a mature list, a dynasty expected

If you accept my premise, that Coaches are judged on maximising the results of lists at their disposal ......is it surprising Bevo has been in the crosshairs ....Goodwin about to have the torch applied ....and of course we know what happened to Cameron, when he couldn't drive the Lamborghini

How about Wayne you actually state what Nicks is good at and why you’ve rated him a good coach, the rest of this this just a smokescreen.

As for win loss record not being relevant, why have you said this week you want to see how Nicks recovers the year to make an assessment? What are you basing that on, how many close losses we have?

 

[Macka_321]

Can’t believe some still think nicks can coach how much longer they going to give this dud. He’s a disgrace.

 

[MRB37]

People in the media very very rarely gun for the coach - they basically blame everything without naming Nicks....

Nicks has had 5 years at the club and has a 33% winning record, literally how much more do you need to see?

I don't think any ex-coach in the media is gonna gun for a coach to lose their job in particular. They've all had that speculation on 'em, been under that pressure, probably didn't enjoy it and wouldn't put it on another coach.

 

[George Kramer]

Can’t believe some still think nicks can coach how much longer they going to give this dud. He’s a disgrace.

They “think” he can coach but won’t say why

 

[Matman23]

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still at the club?

 

[texanmike]

Is Shane Edwards still at the club?

Yes

 

[Disco Fox]

Why Reid, our trading brought in our two best players?

True, but he has a terrible strike rate.

 

[Faaarrk]

Why Reid, our trading brought in our two best players?

Not sure Reid should get any credit for two of our best players wanting to come home.

 

[Southerntakeover]

How about Wayne you actually state what Nicks is good at and why you’ve rated him a good coach, the rest of this this just a smokescreen.

As for win loss record not being relevant, why have you said this week you want to see how Nicks recovers the year to make an assessment? What are you basing that on, how many close losses we have?

It's been five years and Nicks 'doesn't have the playing list'.

That he keeps supporting the worst elements of the not good enough playing list and tries to prevent its change is beside the point.

If he never identifies he backs the wrong players he's inoculated for life.

 

[Crows I Am]

So had we not signed him, do we think he’d be sacked by now?

Not yet, but likely in the next month if we continued like we are.

 

[MsTopG]

Is he sacked yet?

 

[Slippery Pete]

But why were they dumb in March instead of being dumb last October? What changed?

They were sold on Nicks all along. What was the trigger that causes them to pounce with their pent up dumbness at that moment and not earlier?

It doesn't even make sense for idiots.

A dumb club would sign him up at the end of last season off a near miss of 8th spot on promises about the future. A smart club would wait and see how things tracked before making a call.

We chose neither option...?

You’re still projecting from the perspective of a fan, or a regular person who is frustrated about the image of the club.

They are not concerned with the things you would be concerned with.

It’s not a question of whether they’re smart or dumb.

What they are is agenda-driven, self-interested and powerful.

Trying to make sense of the timing of the signing is to misunderstand what actually motivates these people.

They were not thinking about perfectly timing it to minimize any fallout for themselves or the club.

They are not motivated in any way, shape or form to care about those things. Or you.

So they don’t.

 

[Pugsley]

Yes

He is wasting his time.

 

[1970crow]

But why were they dumb in March instead of being dumb last October? What changed?

They were sold on Nicks all along. What was the trigger that causes them to pounce with their pent up dumbness at that moment and not earlier?

It doesn't even make sense for idiots.

A dumb club would sign him up at the end of last season off a near miss of 8th spot on promises about the future. A smart club would wait and see how things tracked before making a call.

We chose neither option...?

Maybe already posted, my conspiracy theory is that he was already signed and we were holding it for PR purposes. We were going to allow the media to bubble away while we were on our winning track towards finals. Then past half way through the season it would be announced as a huge boost to our finals campaign and all round great news story. Then we panicked after the loss and thought that media discussion might negatively influence our run to finals appearance.

It’s just a conspiracy theory though.

 

[fuic08]

Maybe Nicks should remember to take the handbrake off before the last quarter.

 

[marty36]

Not sure Reid should get any credit for two of our best players wanting to come home.

There are two teams in SA


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[crows dude]

Balmey is coming. Just called the crows us. Let’s go.

 

[texanmike]

Balmey is coming. Just called the crows us. Let’s go.

that was yesterday. i aint getting my hopes totally up until i see the club announcement.
then we should open up a new thread, Welcome Neil Balme - Resurgence of the Adelaide Football Club

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

They “think” he can coach but won’t say why

"Can't" say why.

 

[GreyCrow]

that was yesterday. i aint getting my hopes totally up until i see the club announcement.
then we should open up a new thread, Welcome Neil Balme - Resurgence of the Adelaide Football Club

Have to admit to feeling slightly bemused. And I include myself in the following

I was feeling very down on football and the club knowing we were going to roll with the same people next year

But gee this has given me a boost

Sure the issues may still be there but hopefully the boat will be steered properly

I still think Nicks and Godden should go but its a start

 

[AFC3000]

For me, right now I don't really care if Nicks stays or goes. I just worry that we make so much noise that his job becomes untenable and an easy sacrifice for those higher up who are protecting their own positions.

Like if the same people keep hiring the wrong people they need to go and we need to somehow keep the pressure on those people.

That's not to say a new coach isn't a good move. I'm just not convinced we won't run the same hiring process again. Add Neil Balme first, all of a sudden I'm a bit more confident we'd find the right coach if thats the choice, or better support if not.

We do struggle to hire experienced people. How do you go from identifying that Nicks needs experience around him, to losing Rahilly at short notice (was he contracted?) and then replacing him with somebody totally unproven and without any experience in a 30 year old Jack Hombsh...

Even if our defence hasn't been the worst part of the ground, how much better could it be? and why take such a big risk on an unknown. How reckless.

So the senior coach is one option, no ambitious assistant coach would think a couple of years under Mathew Nicks would add anything to his resume. So why come here? I do believe that somebody like Buckley would attract quality assistants and support staff.

So maybe? If we can get the right person.

The big one for me is Adam Kelly, who would even take his call if he's putting together a football department, again? He'd have few AFL connections. Get someone who is proven in a similar role in the AFL.

Even if Neil Balme wasn't full time, he'd have all of the connections in AFL, he calls and people are at least going to consider the option, he's someone who could sell it.

 

[GreyCrow]

We also struggle to hire experienced people. How do you go from identifying that Nicks needs experience around him, to losing Rahilly at short notice (was he contracted?) and then replacing him with somebody totally unproven and without any experience in a 30 year old Jack Hombsh...

What was the feedback and did we take it on board or dismiss it as ''home sickness'' - because it seems to be a running theme where outspoken assistants are given short shrift

And to be fair to the 4 walls proponents we dont exactly know how the logistics were but Francou and Mattner both walking away from a career path should have been taken on board and not dismissed externally as square pegs

Even if Neil Balme wasn't full time, he'd have all of the connections in AFL, he calls and people are at least going to consider the option, he's someone who could sell it.

Agreed

 

[relapse]

A bit of accuracy in analysis .....you're saying a Club's win/loss % should be viewed equally, irrespective of the maturity of the list .....unfortunately stats are not that simplistic

So ....the win/loss % of SYD, MELB, & COLL ....is comparable with NORTH & RICH

RICH at the start of a rebuild, NORTH still a young list ......but under your premise, Clarko & Yze need to be sacked & can't coach

Conversely, there is a strong argument, Goodwin isn't maximising the list at his disposal ......yet MELB are a mature list, a dynasty expected

If you accept my premise, that Coaches are judged on maximising the results of lists at their disposal ......is it surprising Bevo has been in the crosshairs ....Goodwin about to have the torch applied ....and of course we know what happened to Cameron, when he couldn't drive the Lamborghini

It's times like this I wonder whether you're trolling or not.

The post you responded to clearly says that the Nicks having a 33% winning record after 5 years is why he deserves to be sacked.

Then you try and counter with that does that mean that Adam Yze needs to be sacked too?

Adam Yze is in his first season with a list that he's inherited vs Nicks who's in his 5th year with a list that he's built and developed himself. There's zero basis for comparison between the two.

If Yze was in his 5th season and Richmond were still garbage then yes he would deserve to be sacked.

I'd go one further and say that Yze would be lucky to last three years if he continues to have a Matthew Nicks type record.

It's not the norm to hang on to failing coaches and just hope that things will eventurally "click". Both GC and St Kilda learned the hard way there's nothing at all to be gained from giving a failed coach more time than they deserve.