List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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• Current train on players -
  - Sandy Brock
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SSP signing dates

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• Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024
• Monday, January 13, 2025 – Friday, February 21, 2025

Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[chaddy22]

Hopefully Oscar Allen leaves via free agency and we get band 1 for him. Then maybe we can draft a key forward with the pick who projects like an Oscar Allen to replace him.

Or a ruckman.

 

[quackish]

Did I just read in the last few pages that posters are suggesting moving on Hutchinson, Dewar and Johnston?

Wowee, good reminder that we are on a football forum populated by morons

They’re some of our highest ceiling youth players I reckon. Couldn’t believe my eyes

 

[chaddy22]

just worked out who HH is, Hibbens-Hargreaves?
I really don't see Hunt being delisted, still a good player, best 22.
Petch FA had interest from NM this year so WC might get a 3rd round compo pick, can agree with the others.
If WC want to draft 3 players + 2 NGA/FS and 2 Warner's, they are going to need between 7 & 8 list spots imo, without going after a decent ruck or any FA.
If Chesser doesn't have a good year he can be traded for a late 2nd early 3rd round and replaced with Corey Warner, similar profile?
The other option WC are probably considering is actually leaving the open list spot open, which is probably the less likely option if they have players training with them.

Warner Jr is another complication. Will Chad want his brother to come as well.
I would also think picking a player in the MSD might be awkward unless it is a local lad who wants a six month contract
Clarke will have to be a lot better this year.

 

[Bacchus]

Is Livingston a ruck though? Or is he a forward ruck that will be fighting JWilliams and Archer for a spot in the side?

199cm is pretty short for a ruckman, maybe the club is happy with that but as I said we cant carry players who we think are unlikely to make it, even if they havent even got close to their potential.
If Barnett converts to a full time KPD then that probably buys Livingstone another year on the list anyway, he would be the 3rd in line ruckman in that case. We probably want 4 on the list

Livingstone is not tall/big enough to play as a main ruck.

 

[stallon]

just worked out who HH is, Hibbens-Hargreaves?
I really don't see Hunt being delisted, still a good player, best 22.
Petch FA had interest from NM this year so WC might get a 3rd round compo pick, can agree with the others.
If WC want to draft 3 players + 2 NGA/FS and 2 Warner's, they are going to need between 7 & 8 list spots imo, without going after a decent ruck or any FA.
If Chesser doesn't have a good year he can be traded for a late 2nd early 3rd round and replaced with Corey Warner, similar profile?
The other option WC are probably considering is actually leaving the open list spot open, which is probably the less likely option if they have players training with them.

We wont get 3 picks before our f/s and NGA kids if we get Warner. We might get 2 if Banfield goes after our 2nd rounder.

 

[stallon]

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Livingstone is not tall/big enough to fit a main ruck.

Yeah, thats why I think its fine to let him go at the end of 2025. We dont need a project ruck/KPF.

If we are stuck he might be ok as emergency depth in case Flynn and BW are both injured and we cant find another ruckman in the 2025 off-season.
Im still hoping Barnett comes on though

 

[eaglevision]

That might just be because he's still young. Could be he develops into a full time ruck in time. That's pretty common for rucks when they are still teenagers right? He is still listed as a ruck on the Eagles and AFL websites.

He’s very undersized for the modern game and has a poor aerobic profile, little to no chance he makes it as a ruck at AFL level. He’s aggressive and competes hard, holding his place as a KPF that can take F50 ruck contests is about as good as he can hope for but has J Williams and A Reid well ahead of him there not to mention the other KPFs.

It gets forgotten as theyre not on the actual list yet, but the guy we sign as a SSP can be delisted too, along with Petch, Jamo, Sheed and Cripps thats 5 spots, if we dup Hunt too thats 6 list spots.

Those first 3 picks you listed + Banfield and Walley is 5 spots, meaning we can grab a player like Starcevich without stretching it too much.
Alternatively our first pick + Banfield and Walley is 3 spots. Warner x2 is 5, then we can still grab another guy like Starcevich or even go after a McVee or something.
Add Brockman to the delist pile if we want another spot or want to keep one of those delist guys, but thats too hard to predict this far out.

Rawlinson obviously gets replaced by a rookie, so not really a part of the trades. Potentially Evans goes here, or someone else entirely.

Evans getting through as a rookie is increasingly unlikely. He’s made the 28 man AFL academy squad so will be right under everyone’s nose so that’s 3 picks then 3 more if we can squeeze our 2R on before a bid. The rookie list shouldn’t be an issue

just worked out who HH is, Hibbens-Hargreaves?
I really don't see Hunt being delisted, still a good player, best 22.
Petch FA had interest from NM this year so WC might get a 3rd round compo pick, can agree with the others.
If WC want to draft 3 players + 2 NGA/FS and 2 Warner's, they are going to need between 7 & 8 list spots imo, without going after a decent ruck or any FA.
If Chesser doesn't have a good year he can be traded for a late 2nd early 3rd round and replaced with Corey Warner, similar profile?
The other option WC are probably considering is actually leaving the open list spot open, which is probably the less likely option if they have players training with them.

We’ve got 3 FS/NGAs (hopefully after our first 3 picks) which is 5 main list spots we need assuming we and a player via SSP as a rookie and not main list. That’s before player trades and free agency. Hunt will be 30 at the end of next year I don’t see us delisting other players aside from those mentioned before him. Chesser isn’t getting a 2R or an early 3R if he has a bad year, he’ll just be delisted but I think he’s going to surprise everyone next year will a role that’s not out on the gimp wing running away from the ball.

 

[Obeanie1]

Yea fair. I think he has a place if we see him as a ruck. I tend to agree he doesn't really fit in if he's primarily a KPF. Would be interesting to know where the club sees him at the moment.

Maybe we go down the route of playing two capable ruck / forwards and not a #1 ruck.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

I concur. Contracts in the AFL have gone nuts - IMO it's a shit idea giving 7 year contracts to anyone. Years back 3 years was the norm and managers were pushing 2 just to able to renegotiate terms quicker.

However Allen is a heart and soul player for the club and a true talent and a compromise needs to be reached. I'd rather he play out his career than leaves the club via FA, even if it is for a top 5 compo pick.

I don’t feel Allen is Heart and Soul, albeit he is captain.

He’s a position we have young depth and could extract value for. A straight swap for the Warner bros would be a fair trade for both parties, so long as Allen requests it and would allow us to get Warner and keep our draft hand.

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

This is a shot from WCE war room on draft night two just before the Gross pick. Can anybody decipher the board?

IMO the numbers are the points value at that pick needed to buy in and a heap of picks were valued at 525.

Wouldn't mind TerryFilk's thoughts on the array of numbers.

 

[eaglevision]

Wouldn't mind TerryFilk's thoughts on the array of numbers.

Probably busy auditioning for numerology

 

[JADED]

Some have gone too far the other way - we now want to get rid of Oscar Allen and other promising young players for list space and THE PICKS.

Madness isn't it. This Oscar, who by his standards had a lean year, couples with injury, but you 100% keep players like this.

I don’t feel Allen is Heart and Soul, albeit he is captain.

This Oscar Allen?
He is absolutely heart and soul.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Madness isn't it. This Oscar, who by his standards had a lean year, couples with injury, but you 100% keep players like this.

This Oscar Allen?
He is absolutely heart and soul.

**** me. North are a disgrace of a club.

We've had three of our worst ever years, and North have finished below us in two of them. That's after winning a spoon and coming second last before we even hit those three bad years.

 

[noobermensch]

Wes Walley is a dangerous small/medium forward tied to the Eagles via their NGA program. In the U17 Futures game on grand final day Walley showed how dangerous he can be with his pace and movement inside the forward 50 creating numerous scoring opportunities, but his conversion prevented him from kicking a bag.

 

[Bacchus]

Yeah, thats why I think its fine to let him go at the end of 2025. We dont need a project ruck/KPF.

If we are stuck he might be ok as emergency depth in case Flynn and BW are both injured and we cant find another ruckman in the 2025 off-season.
Im still hoping Barnett comes on though

Just about given up on Barnett as a ruck. Doesn’t appear to be his position.

Might be ok as a kpd.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Bit of underselling Warner on here. He is a premium midfielder.

 

[MaxHunt]

Conversely the BDE - Geelong do the very opposite they pay under's at the trade table and manage to extract overs when trading players out.

Now I am not for one minute advocating that we, on every deal, become total arseholes to trade with like Geelong.

But has it adversely affected them Monocle? They always seem to get trades done year after year as you said for under inbound and over outbound.

Maybe being Mr Nice Guy has no real tangible value other than being able to speak on good terms and grabbing a beer after it all is done.

 

[Godfather32]

I concur. Contracts in the AFL have gone nuts - IMO it's a shit idea giving 7 year contracts to anyone. Years back 3 years was the norm and managers were pushing 2 just to able to renegotiate terms quicker.

However Allen is a heart and soul player for the club and a true talent and a compromise needs to be reached. I'd rather he play out his career than leaves the club via FA, even if it is for a top 5 compo pick.

Yeah I suppose we have to be realistic, someone will likely offer him a contract for 7 years so if we want to keep him that's likely what we'll have to do as well.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Bit of underselling Warner on here. He is a premium midfielder.

And still very young. Would be a lot more hesitant if he was a couple of years older, but he’s not, he’s a perfect age for our group.

 

[FKASC]

Madness isn't it. This Oscar, who by his standards had a lean year, couples with injury, but you 100% keep players like this.

This Oscar Allen?
He is absolutely heart and soul.

Yeah Allen 100% is. He’s probably a bit too nice, but he’s still heart and soul.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Yeah I suppose we have to be realistic, someone will likely offer him a contract for 7 years so if we want to keep him that's likely what we'll have to do as well.

Let him walk then. he has not earnt that sort of contract. we have to get passed he is a good guy, good club person types of contracts. He is paid to play football, he has shown he has talent but does not get on the park often enough. 3 year contract at best in my opinion and if he wants more then maybe other clubs might be prepared to cough up that type of contract for him.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Yeah Allen 100% is. He’s probably a bit too nice, but he’s still heart and soul.

Always seems to be the blokes who don't get on the park that end up the heart and soul.......

 

[twce13]

Never change WCE BF

 

[JackOutback]

We wont get 3 picks before our f/s and NGA kids if we get Warner. We might get 2 if Banfield goes after our 2nd rounder.

This is why we probably don't need to cut too deep this year. Most people can find five easy cuts, getting Warner in will take a couple of picks, keep one high pick and get in Banfield and Walley. If we draft five or six more 18-year-olds we will be wildly unbalanced in the opposite way to two years ago. Warner is the perfect age to partially address that.

 

[Godfather32]

Let him walk then. he has not earnt that sort of contract. we have to get passed he is a good guy, good club person types of contracts. He is paid to play football, he has shown he has talent but does not get on the park often enough. 3 year contract at best in my opinion and if he wants more then maybe other clubs might be prepared to cough up that type of contract for him.

I did say if we want to keep him.
I agree with you somewhat, I've already said 7 years is too much. It's a big call to let your captain and a quality tall forward just leave though so I don't think it's a black and white situation.
Considering the current contract climate 3 years will get laughed at, no chance he signs on for that anywhere.
5 years is probably the sweet spot but I have a feeling we'll probably have to go to 7 to keep him. I guess we could heavily front end the contract as much as we're able to, so it's not as big a deal if he breaks down towards the end of his career