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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[Obeanie1]

If a club offers Oscar a contract worth band 1 compensation and you match, not a chance any club would then trade for Oscar. Every club in the competition would walk away.

Well that is one of the silliest posts Ive read from you Briz.

How did the Lions get Daniher and Dunkley?

Dangerfield to Cats?

It all comes down to who wants the player and how bad.

And sweeping statements like the one you just made. Very easy to prove historically incorrect.

 

[Off Tap]

If a club offers Oscar a contract worth band 1 compensation and you match, not a chance any club would then trade for Oscar. Every club in the competition would walk away.

Yeah nah. That's a pretty bad take. Guys that can kick 50 in a year are sort after.

Enough clubs would be scrambling for his signature to make sure we get compensated OK. Don't think it would be pick 3, but it would be OK.

On another note, why is everyone going for the two Warner brothers in any deal?

I haven't seen much of the other one. Is he that good that he's going to improve us?

When was the last time a deal was done on the proviso that two brothers had to both move and play together?

Can't think of one other than the Krakouers.

 

[Wce17]

Might have to trade for Starcevich if grabbing him via F/A kills the band 1 we should get for Oscar if he leaves.

Would cost us Hawks first and something else you'd think.

Do we even need Starcevich. Like he’s a decent player but I feel like we can fill his role with players we already have.

If he wasn’t a West Aussie we wouldn’t even be talking about him. I’d pass

 

[MrWoollie]

Bit of underselling Warner on here. He is a premium midfielder.

I don't think that it's so much underselling as being nervous on a couple of levels.

I think most believe he is premium, but how premium? And how much will we have to give up to get him?

Is he 2 x Brownlow medal winner Lachie Neale premium? Bont premium? Better than Tim Kelly premium?
Where on the premium scale he fits tends to influence what people are willing to pay.

Do we pay TK trade? I think the general consensus is that we got something good but paid too much for it. Something that (Wellingham, Chick, Baker etc.) we have a history of doing.
Do we use the Neale trade as a guide?
Do we use Bolton as guide. Given that virtually everyone rates Warner higher than Bolton this SHOULD be the low end marker and Neale SHOULD be the high water mark.

Do I think Warner is premium? Yes.
Do I want him? Yes.
Would I pay 2 x top 10 2025 picks for him? No.
Would I want to trade out of the 2025 1st round for anyone? No.

So I think he's good but am nervous at what we might be willing to pay.

Note - I think that Freo way overpaid for Bolton and this is unbalancing expectations in the selling side of perceived value.

 

[JackOutback]

Do we even need Starcevich. Like he’s a decent player but I feel like we can fill his role with players we already have.

If he wasn’t a West Aussie we wouldn’t even be talking about him. I’d pass

Actually, I thought he was among Brisbane's best when the grand final was on the line. That said, he'd be a nice to have, not a must have as there are other young players coming through. So it becomes a question (if he wants to come) of who we sacrifice to open up another list spot.

 

[Altum Volantes]

This is a shot from WCE war room on draft night two just before the Gross pick. Can anybody decipher the board?

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WCE_phil

Hey Siri…ENHANCE.

ENHANCE!

 

[RanaNaved]

Starcevich has got to be one of the most underrated player's going around

 

[briztoon]

Isn't that wonderful. Win a grand final and suddenly our resident Briskent becomes the official spokesman of every club in the land, and I assume you have proxies from the Tassie Devils.

You consistently fail to look at the big picture of some posts

Then you come in and sound like you are the expert and narrow in on a minor point.

As I have said before, that was a piss poor post and we expect better from you.

Roll out on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

 

[eaglevision]

Starcevich has got to be one of the most underrated player's going around

Agreed. Would love to have Starcevich in the backline and free up Hough to play as a more offensive HBF or even wing. If his only cost is salary then he should be an absolute priority if he has genuine interest.

 

[briztoon]

Well that is one of the silliest posts Ive read from you Briz.

How did the Lions get Daniher

We offered restricted free agent Daniher a contract worth band 1 compensation and Essendon took the compensation.

and Dunkley?

Dunkley was out of contract, but not a free agent, so we had to trade for him.

Dangerfield to Cats?

Dangerfield was a restricted free agent, but Geelong never put in a contract offer as they knew Adelaide would match and a team before them would take Dangerfield in the draft or PSD, so they traded for him.

It all comes down to who wants the player and how bad.

And sweeping statements like the one you just made. Very easy to prove historically incorrect.

If you finish 17th and get pick 3 as compensation, you’re not going to get a better offer if you match.

Essendon isn’t going to offer two high first round picks, as was suggested.

 

[WCE777]

I don't think that it's so much underselling as being nervous on a couple of levels.

I think most believe he is premium, but how premium? And how much will we have to give up to get him?

Is he 2 x Brownlow medal winner Lachie Neale premium? Bont premium? Better than Tim Kelly premium?
Where on the premium scale he fits tends to influence what people are willing to pay.

Do we pay TK trade? I think the general consensus is that we got something good but paid too much for it. Something that (Wellingham, Chick, Baker etc.) we have a history of doing.
Do we use the Neale trade as a guide?
Do we use Bolton as guide. Given that virtually everyone rates Warner higher than Bolton this SHOULD be the low end marker and Neale SHOULD be the high water mark.

Do I think Warner is premium? Yes.
Do I want him? Yes.
Would I pay 2 x top 10 2025 picks for him? No.
Would I want to trade out of the 2025 1st round for anyone? No.

So I think he's good but am nervous at what we might be willing to pay.

Note - I think that Freo way overpaid for Bolton and this is unbalancing expectations in the selling side of perceived value.

Premium will cost premium and everyone has a different premium as you say.
TK was overpriced, total agree.
2 x mid 1st round picks is basically top 10's, but not WC 2025 1st.
So basically it is Hawks 1st and WC 2026 1st, or if Sydney want all picks in 2025 WC will have to trade with someone like GC/ESS to get a mid 1st round 2025 pick.

 

[mattyc75]

Not that I really want him to go but one player who could be on the trade table is Liam Ryan. He would at least have some trade value & he’s not going to be around for the next flag push.

We won't get anything for him. Hasn't played good in years

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[Bender_]

Might have to trade for Starcevich if grabbing him via F/A kills the band 1 we should get for Oscar if he leaves.

Would cost us Hawks first and something else you'd think.

We'll have to rethink our whole draft strategy.

But seriously, stop doing bath salts.

 

[briztoon]

Isn't that wonderful. Win a grand final and suddenly our resident Briskent becomes the official spokesman of every club in the land, and I assume you have proxies from the Tassie Devils.

You consistently fail to look at the big picture of some posts

Ignoring all the sarcasm, what is the big picture that I missed?

My post was a reply to the one part of your post I disagreed with.

Didn't need to reply to the rest, as I had no issue with anything else you said.

Sometimes you need to stop being so precious about who the actual poster is, and play a straight bat to a reply to your posts.

Then you come in and sound like you are the expert and narrow in on a minor point.

As I have said before, that was a piss poor post and we expect better from you.

So, which other team in the competition is going to offer up more than band 1 compensation for Oscar?

The very same reason why posters here are suggesting to let Oscar walk, because of a possible degenerative knee or what ever the actual injury may be, is the reason why you are potentially willing to let Oscar walk, and some posters here talking about only offering a 3 or 5 year deal, to protect your club.

Which is the same reason why no club in the competition would pay more than what you would receive as band 1 compensation.

 

[briztoon]

Might have to trade for Starcevich if grabbing him via F/A kills the band 1 we should get for Oscar if he leaves.

Would cost us Hawks first and something else you'd think.

That'd be fair depending if Hawthorn finished close to Brisbane. If Hawks miss finals, if I were a West Coast supporter, that pick would be overs for Starc.

 

[briztoon]

Yeah nah. That's a pretty bad take. Guys that can kick 50 in a year are sort after.

Enough clubs would be scrambling for his signature to make sure we get compensated OK. Don't think it would be pick 3, but it would be OK.

In joining the pile on, I think you've lost sight of the original post I replied to and didn't understand my reply.

So my take is bad because I said no club would offer more than pick 3, which would be the compensation pick for Allen in this discussion, if you matched the bid on Allen. But your happy to take less than pick 3 because "it would be ok".

On another note, why is everyone going for the two Warner brothers in any deal?

I haven't seen much of the other one. Is he that good that he's going to improve us?

When was the last time a deal was done on the proviso that two brothers had to both move and play together?

Can't think of one other than the Krakouers.

 

[ArdentEagle]

In joining the pile on, I think you've lost sight of the original post I replied to and didn't understand my reply.

So my take is bad because I said no club would offer more than pick 3, which would be the compensation pick for Allen in this discussion, if you matched the bid on Allen. But your happy to take less than pick 3 because "it would be ok".

For me, it depends on the medical results.

If the knee is properly manageable, I think we'd get an offer greater than the value of 3 alone.

 

[briztoon]

Actually, I thought he was among Brisbane's best when the grand final was on the line. That said, he'd be a nice to have, not a must have as there are other young players coming through. So it becomes a question (if he wants to come) of who we sacrifice to open up another list spot.

You'd hope one of Ginbey or Allan can be your version of Starcevich, or Brady Hough already is.

 

[stallon]

Do we even need Starcevich. Like he’s a decent player but I feel like we can fill his role with players we already have.

If he wasn’t a West Aussie we wouldn’t even be talking about him. I’d pass

Starcevich is a very good player, and hes a free agent. We would be stupid to NOT have any interest.
Genuinely would be 10x worse than the pick 3 trade to not be interested in Starcevich, regardless of where he is from. Like actual sack Clarke stuff

 

[eaglevision]

You'd hope one of Ginbey or Allan can be your version of Starcevich, or Brady Hough already is.

Ginbey and Allan won’t be training for a lock down role. They’ll be offensive HBFs that chop out in the midfield and hopefully shift further in that direction as their careers progress. Hough is the correct comparison but getting Starcevich will free him up from that role.

 

[eaglevision]

Hope your right about Chesser, which position do you see him playing?

Needs to play with the ball coming to him, rather than having to make decisions about where to run. HBF rotating with Ginbey and Allan having bursts through the midfield would be ideal. Chess looked his best running out of D50 with ball in hand and still think he can have an impact as a burst inside mid. All three have the physique to be absolute units. Ginbey is already.

Would like to think we’ll draft some elite kicking outside leaning mids this year but really think we’ll continue to prioritise ball winning contested players and work on the philosophy of quantity of F50 entries rather than quality. Fast ball entry to 1v1s with our glut of KPFs then manic defensive pressure to lock it in.

 

[briztoon]

For me, it depends on the medical results.

If the knee is properly manageable, I think we'd get an offer greater than the value of 3 alone.

For me, I believe WC would be nuts to trade Oscar if his knee was manageable, and he could be a 50 goal a year KPF for the next 5 years.

Also, if his knee is manageable that changes the whole scenario the previous conversation and pile on was based on. Still don't believe you would get better than pick 3 though.

You might get an offer of an earlish first round pick, in say the 5 to 10 range, and a later first round pick in the 15 to 18 range. You'd have to be the judge if that's better than pick 3 in next years draft. For me, that's not better than pick 3, especially when you already hold pick 2 and say pick 14.


And then there is the whole other discussion if Archer Reid and Jobe Shanahan really are capable and ready to play the majority of a season, if Oscar left. At least they already would have had three and two preseasons respectively.

 

[briztoon]

Ginbey and Allan won’t be training for a lock down role.

When we drafted Starcevich, no Lions fan envisioned him as a lockdown defender. But he just couldn't find his own ball as a midfielder, so he had to find a role he was capable of at AFL level. Similarly with Ryan Lester, he was drafted as a tall mid, but at AFL level he is more comfortable with the game played in front of him, and playing as a 3rd tall defender.

They’ll be offensive HBFs that chop out in the midfield and hopefully shift further in that direction as their careers progress. Hough is the correct comparison but getting Starcevich will free him up from that role.

Ginbey might be good as HBF. It's early in his career, but I haven't seen anything from him yet that inspires confidence in him pushing up to the midfield.

Allan, his kicking is worry for me, to view him as an offensive HBF. I'll reserve judgement on him as a midfielder at senior level.

 

[eaglevision]

When we drafted Starcevich, no Lions fan envisioned him as a lockdown defender. But he just couldn't find his own ball as a midfielder, so he had to find a role he was capable of at AFL level. Similarly with Ryan Lester, he was drafted as a tall mid, but at AFL level he is more comfortable with the game played in front of him, and playing as a 3rd tall defender.


Ginbey might be good as HBF. It's early in his career, but I haven't seen anything from him yet that inspires confidence in him pushing up to the midfield.

Allan, his kicking is worry for me, to view him as an offensive HBF. I'll reserve judgement on him as a midfielder at senior level.

I think it’s unlikely any of Starcevich, Ginbey or Allan would have been taken in the top 20 if the long term view was in the backline. Starcevich has also had to deal with a lot of good midfielders taking those spots.

Ginbey isn’t a plug and play midfielder. He’s learning how to use his weapons at AFL level and the HBF is currently the best place for him to do that.

Bo’s kicking should worry everyone. He won’t be a distributing HBF but he will break lines running out of defence and hopefully take the first option. Outstanding athlete and attitude, much easier to teach kicking than either of those.

 

[ArdentEagle]

For me, I believe WC would be nuts to trade Oscar if his knee was manageable, and he could be a 50 goal a year KPF for the next 5 years.

Also, if his knee is manageable that changes the whole scenario the previous conversation and pile on was based on. Still don't believe you would get better than pick 3 though.

You might get an offer of an earlish first round pick, in say the 5 to 10 range, and a later first round pick in the 15 to 18 range. You'd have to be the judge if that's better than pick 3 in next years draft. For me, that's not better than pick 3, especially when you already hold pick 2 and say pick 14.


And then there is the whole other discussion if Archer Reid and Jobe Shanahan really are capable and ready to play the majority of a season, if Oscar left. At least they already would have had three and two preseasons respectively.

My comment was based on his value alone, not joining any pile on mate.

I think he's worth a little bit more than what you're saying. (knee dependant of course.)