Past #1: Jack Mahony - drafted w #34 in '17 ND - delisted end '23 - 40 NM games/17 NM goals - thx Mahns

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I do think Leigh Adams was a fair bit better player than Mahony.

But ...playing as a small forward in a combination with some of these guys: Drew Petrie, David Hale, Hamish McIntosh, Aaron Edwards, Nathan Thompson, Lachie Hansen, Corey Jones, Lindsay Thomas, Boomer etc at any given time would sure as shit be better than trying to play the role while adjusting to AFL in our forward lines of the last 3 years.
 
I think Leigh Adams was a way better footballer than Jack is at present. I just think that their game styles would have been improved by not being like bulls at a gate. It's too late for Leigh but someone should be grabbing Jack and working on the tactics I mentioned earlier.
 

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tazaa said:
Like Turner, is now a walk up best 22 starter for the sheer way in that he puts in and provides effort.
Won’t be getting dropped either.
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Yeah, in a sense Noble's hands are tied. He needs their attitude and commitment to be present in the team, to show the young players the effort that is required at the level. But unfortunately, they're both limited players and the double whammy is that they are both completely out of form.
 
groo said:
I've seen people make comparisons to Leigh Adams. I think it is a good comparison. Leigh was a good player and regarded as courageous to a fault. IMO his game could have gone next level if he didn't just bore straight ahead all the time. That's the main reason he used to get belted and his courage become evident. Leigh didn't stop and prop, change direction or dummy the possession. Jack is the same. The opposition know he will go straight ahead and have little trouble in impeding him.
Jack needs to be less predictable when gaining possession.
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I've seen people make comparisons to Leigh Matthews. Still has roughly 900 goals in him imo

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I like him but it's bloody strange that he's not held to the same standard as Jaidyn Stephenson and Tom Powell, both of whom are far more talented footballers, by the coach. Wait, strange? I meant ****ing bullshit.
 
AnEmptyChair said:
I like him but it's bloody strange that he's not held to the same standard as Jaidyn Stephenson and Tom Powell, both of whom are far more talented footballers, by the coach. Wait, strange? I meant ******* bullshit.
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Maybe the standard is that he’s given instructions by the coaches and carries them out to the best of his ability? Just spitballing, but it makes more sense than anything else I’m reading in here. I’m biased to want Jack to do well because of the family connection, but honestly I’d be just as happy for him to develop in the VFL if that was what was happening. Coaches have self-interest, if they play him constantly in the seniors at his age he must be delivering something that is important to them.
 
AnEmptyChair said:
I like him but it's bloody strange that he's not held to the same standard as Jaidyn Stephenson and Tom Powell, both of whom are far more talented footballers, by the coach. Wait, strange? I meant ******* bullshit.
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Powell is being managed and Jaidyn was dropped for R2 because of inadequate effort. What's your point?
 
Passmore said:
If Tommy is cracking the shits about playing wing, I doubt he'd be overly thrilled to be playing small forward chasing tail all day as Jack does.

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We have enough forwards

Sleevo and Curtis make Mahony obsolete

HF: Sleevo CCJ Ziebell
F: Zurhaar Larkey Curtis
With JHF, Taylor and TT rotating forward also
 

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the Ziebull said:
We have enough forwards

Sleevo and Curtis make Mahony obsolete

HF: Sleevo CCJ Ziebell
F: Zurhaar Larkey Curtis
With JHF, Taylor and TT rotating forward also
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I'm neither here nor there on Mahony. Fact is though, if you're playing small forward you need to be prepared to get your hands dirty.

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the Ziebull said:
We have enough forwards

Sleevo and Curtis make Mahony obsolete

HF: Sleevo CCJ Ziebell
F: Zurhaar Larkey Curtis
With JHF, Taylor and TT rotating forward also
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What? But what about a slow small mid? Surely there is a place?

No, but I think it would be good for his development to have Mahoney, Phillips, Powell and Lazzaro getting that consistent output Noble keeps talking about.
 
the Ziebull said:
We have enough forwards

Sleevo and Curtis make Mahony obsolete

HF: Sleevo CCJ Ziebell
F: Zurhaar Larkey Curtis
With JHF, Taylor and TT rotating forward also
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Fair take IMO. In the medium term CCJ is ruck, JZ is gone which leaves space for Comben (JZ / Zurhaar are just smaller versions of marking forwards really) and a better balance. Arguably a spot for another small forward, although if we end up batting truly deep in the midfield a guy like JHF takes that space more often.

Edit: PS I don't really overly rate teams running a "defensive" forward. My view is that a good aggressive small forward should be more than capable of doing the hard team work (something that Curtis showed last week). You shouldn't need a permanent defensive forward who doesn't do much else, horses for courses maybe.
 
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blackshadow said:
Patch had/has a phenomenonal footy brain, I haven't seen any evidence of that from Mahoney.

Such a shame injuries cut Patch's playing career short.
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Tbf a footy brain is about the only asset I can think of that Mahony has that isn't plodder level. Patch was smarter, no doubt, but Mahony's shown a bit in terms of footy intelligence. Often kicks it to the right spot, or moves to a spot where his disposal will end up in a more dangerous area, or handballs it out of a contest almost instinctively to a spot where there is/should be a teammate waiting. There isn't always a teammate there because we're horrendous, but in a good team there would always be a teammate in that spot. His game awareness is his make-or-break trait, cos he's not very good at anything else
 
shintemaster said:
Fair take IMO. In the medium term CCJ is ruck, JZ is gone which leaves space for Comben (JZ / Zurhaar are just smaller versions of marking forwards really) and a better balance. Arguably a spot for another small forward, although if we end up batting truly deep in the midfield a guy like JHF takes that space more often.

Edit: PS I don't really overly rate teams running a "defensive" forward. My view is that a good aggressive small forward should be more than capable of doing the hard team work (something that Curtis showed last week). You shouldn't need a permanent defensive forward who doesn't do much else, horses for courses maybe.
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Defensive forwards can gagf

Gimme a prime Breust/Cameron all day long.

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archereleven said:
Defensive forwards can gagf

Gimme a prime Breust/Cameron all day long.

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I mean don't get me wrong, I don't have an issue with asking someone to play a defensive forward role. I just think you can put great forwards in your team and then have them play that role rather than hiding a player in the forward line that can't do another role. We have had great defensive forwards in the last 10 years - Petrie, Waite, Thomas for starters, that's the kind of defensive forwards I want.
 
shintemaster said:
I mean don't get me wrong, I don't have an issue with asking someone to play a defensive forward role. I just think you can put great forwards in your team and then have them play that role rather than hiding a player in the forward line that can't do another role. We have had great defensive forwards in the last 10 years - Petrie, Waite, Thomas for starters, that's the kind of defensive forwards I want.
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Yep. Plus being damaging on the scoreboard helps. Are they really going to persist in letting say a Caleb Daniel get 25 touches, if his direct opponent has kicked 6?
 

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