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Agree, but not in the seniors bc he breaks down too many forward moves and teams set up from his laziness. It needs to be done at VFL .
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What do you think the forward set up should be whilst lynch and Balta are out? I expected Dusty to play more up forward
put games into ryan or teams will literally mark it all day like they did today
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I think Naismith and Dusty have to share the role with LeFau as he’s at least competitive. I’m scared of Ryan as he’s a bit like Kosi atm. Dusty is weird atm as he seems to be not running out games as well. He’s still dangerous, but he has a quarter or so where he disappears.
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I think St Kilda put more time into him after half-time. but yeah he isn't as fit as 2017-2020 & I don't think he will ever be.
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Thought he was alright today considering how low my expectations of him were…
Clearly out of his depth being the #1 forward target but was actually quite impressed when he went into the ruck..
But don’t get me wrong he’s worth no more than the 3rd rounder we paid for him..
Maybe has upside to a 2nd rounder but certainly not counting on it
Clearly out of his depth being the #1 forward target but was actually quite impressed when he went into the ruck..
But don’t get me wrong he’s worth no more than the 3rd rounder we paid for him..
Maybe has upside to a 2nd rounder but certainly not counting on it
Koschitzke's ruck work was no revelation. It was commonly held by Hawthorn people and they have expressed it here that his 'best' work has been rucking and then going forward. That it allows him to be more engaged in the game, as opposed to a pure tall forward or defender where he is complete rubbish.
However, if that is the template of a successful day out for Koschitzke, he is sounding more like a Sampson Ryan backup than a Lynch or Balta backup. And if that's the case, why not stick with the player who has far more potential, has eight centermetres on him, is a ruckman, can also go forward, and is a better kick?
For what it's worth I thought his rucking was ok, but as a forward alone he was a predictable fail. Again I didn't see him do anything Sampson couldn't have done and quite possibly a whole lot better.
However, if that is the template of a successful day out for Koschitzke, he is sounding more like a Sampson Ryan backup than a Lynch or Balta backup. And if that's the case, why not stick with the player who has far more potential, has eight centermetres on him, is a ruckman, can also go forward, and is a better kick?
For what it's worth I thought his rucking was ok, but as a forward alone he was a predictable fail. Again I didn't see him do anything Sampson couldn't have done and quite possibly a whole lot better.
The trouble with Ryan when standing forward for us at AFL level is the opponents are just too swiftly onto ground balls for him.
Koschitzke, as limited as he is as a forward, is clearly a better AFL forward than Sam Ryan at this point.
The defensive side of his game was also not bad. He worked hard to play that role, ran hard, was physical, tackled okay and played more like a medium forward. As much as I have advocated players playing more attacking roles over defensive, that is only if they haven't the talent. Kosi doesn't but was important in not letting the Saints waltz out of our backline.
I noticed in k31th 's gif, he put in a really nice block to get Maurice's first goal through as well. Kozzy does some pieces of play where you think he isn't bad at all. Then in another passage he seems to get it all wrong. Hopefully he improves with familiarity in our system and confidence. Won't be a world beater but you can see he is trying to do all the right things.
'Clearly' a better AFL forward? Is he obviously a greater goal scorer? (for example last VFL match Ryan scored 4, Koschitzke scored nothing). Is he a more accurate kick? A better pack mark as opposed to a leading forward? Is he a better ruckman, since no one seems to be claiming that Koschitzke would have had anything approaching a decent match if it wasn't for his ruck work? And that's not even referencing anything about his mediocre career with Hawthorn or performances at Richmond up until this match. I can see arguments in favour of Koschitzke at this point, but 'clearly'? Like it's as obvious as the nose on your face? With respect, I'm sorry that's a bit of a stretch.
It is not based on Koschitzke being totally suitable as a key forward. It is based on Ryan being totally unsuitable. He is a good set shot who is very tall so will get first hands to the ball more than Kozzy in certain situations. But most of the time I have seen Ryan play forward in the AFL team, the ball has just been swept out of the area with him having no impact. It makes him completely unsuitable. Ryan just doesn't have the agility required to play that role.
That postage stamp was no good for a lead-up forward. Alot more space @ Optus Stadium should suit him more.
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Kozlord will kick 6 this weekend.
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I believe the issue that sees a lot of supporters upset with Koschitzke is that they are expecting him to play as a Lynch type of KPF where he bashes and crashes in pack situations and can stand and fight with opponents 1 on 1. That isn't his game, he does his best work leading out and marking and IMO he was brought in to compliment the pairing of Lynch and Balta who are the power KPFs that do all the bashing and crashing stuff. Unfortunately though he hasn't had the opportunity to play alongside both of them. In the first game against the Suns, we never even got a real chance to play the way we wanted to and then he made way for Lynch to return, then when he comes back into the side, it's on a postage stamp, where the forward line was as congested as the Monash at 5pm on a Friday evening and both Lynch and Balta were missing. Despite this Koschitzke was serviceable enough, but couldn't play his preferred way.
This week he'll head to the wide open spaces of Optus Stadium, hopefully with some more support up forward to draw some attention away from him and allow him to play the way that suits his strengths. Let's not forget that he's barely a month into his first season with us, and like Yze said would still be building synergy with his teammates both in the forward line and also those further up the ground, who will be still adjusting to having a young lead and mark option that we haven't had for a while, as we've been using a game plan that revolved in bombing the ball in long and high over the last 6-7 years.
This week he'll head to the wide open spaces of Optus Stadium, hopefully with some more support up forward to draw some attention away from him and allow him to play the way that suits his strengths. Let's not forget that he's barely a month into his first season with us, and like Yze said would still be building synergy with his teammates both in the forward line and also those further up the ground, who will be still adjusting to having a young lead and mark option that we haven't had for a while, as we've been using a game plan that revolved in bombing the ball in long and high over the last 6-7 years.
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KOZI >>>RYAN ,but it's not saying much. Kozi beats him bc his work at ground level is stronger as well as having about 10% more physical presence. I see thm as both being list cloggers and i hope i'm wrong as we need tall forwards badly.
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We badly need them to do what they can't
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YEP I entirely agree and both aint atm.
Yep ... but realistically they take 4+ years to start making an impact ...
Ugly Hagan on a 10 year contract? or a State League star?
Only the Glenelg medium forward and SANFL leading goal kicker Lachie Hastie I would be confident of being at the level immediately. He probably has 3-4 years left at a high level
"his tap work was good" jeez wonder if we had an even better ruckman who has played better in the vfl and actually rucked in the last month, and has actually kicked more than a single goal in the vfl! and no I'm talking about samson ryan, who sadly still does beats kosi in those metrics
kosi is gonna be gifted 1 more week. I hope that if he spuds it up again he'll make way for people who have actually performed in the vfl like naismith and/or ryan
wish bauer wasn't injured and wasn't being ruined as a backman so we could play him fwd, the reverse ben miller
kosi is gonna be gifted 1 more week. I hope that if he spuds it up again he'll make way for people who have actually performed in the vfl like naismith and/or ryan
wish bauer wasn't injured and wasn't being ruined as a backman so we could play him fwd, the reverse ben miller
It's a shame that he will probably never get to play with Lynch which is what he came to us to do, play and learn from our best forward. Balta and Lynch up forward leaves no room for him in the side. I think we thought about it in the preseason but because his form was so bad they scrapped that idea.
I have no doubt we will play him every week until one of the 2 come back, will also depend on whether Lefau continues to improve, or Bauer can beat his injuries and get some form. Those suggesting he will get 1 more week are going to be a tad frustrated LOL
I have no doubt we will play him every week until one of the 2 come back, will also depend on whether Lefau continues to improve, or Bauer can beat his injuries and get some form. Those suggesting he will get 1 more week are going to be a tad frustrated LOL
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Yze mentioned in his presser on Sunday, that they were discussing bringing in Koschitzke to play alongside Lynch and Balta before they both got hurt, so I wouldn't necessarily think that he is only holding a spot until they return.
Hope so, i guess we found a spot for Lefau while they were playing.
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Won't happen until very late in the season, but I'd like to see Lynch Balta & Koschitzke playing together just to see how they work together. As I said above I see Koschitzke as a lead/mark KPF, while Lynch is the power KPF and Balta is a mix of the 2, he can play as a power KPF, but can also use his speed to get out on the lead. I think it would be a very interesting forward set up to see in action even if it was only for 3-4 weeks to end the season. If it worked it would certainly give Yze and the club something to consider over the pre-season.
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