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Most of it's been said, but thought I'd add my 2 cents' worth on the original post.

Sean Dempster - 23 this Saturday and has yet to firmly establish his place in the side, despite regular game time. He spends a lot of time following gun midfielders to the ball, but doesn't get much of it himself. Needs to be setting himself as a seamless replacement for Tadhg Kennelly three years from now, but is nowhere near as good as Tadhg was after the same number of games. Uses the ball well but doesn't get it often enough to hurt the opposition.
Big fan of Dempster, and he's played more games by the age of 23 than most youngsters who arrive at the Swans. Creativity is a question mark, but not everyone needs to be Goodes. I don't think he's a Keneally replacement; others are being groomed for that role. I also don't think he needs to have a fixed role in the team. He can play on the opposition's 2nd/3rd forward against some teams, or can push up to wing or the forward line against others. He's fast, well-built, an excellent mark, a penetrating kick, and (with a few notable exceptions in a flat mid-stretch of 2006) rarely gets beaten by his man.

Paul Bevan - 23 in September. The 'lucky' premiership player needs to show that he's more than 'just' a small defender or he could be looking for a new home, with Jared Crouch hopefully set to return at some stage. Struggled with injury in early 2006 but aside from a great game against Port Adelaide didn't assert himself too much when he got into the team, and was dropped prior to the finals. Faster, more skillful young midfielders are bypassing him, and he could be left by the wayside.
Apart from being a good overhead mark for his size, doesn't have an obvious attribute that makes him stand out. He's desperate and will scrag & tackle all day, but that alone isn't enough at the top level. That said, Brett Kirk (1999) and Amon Buchanan (2003) also didn't have an obvious attribute that made them stand out. Bevan certainly needs to take a step up, as they did, to secure his future.

Luke Vogels - 24 in June. Only managed three games in 2006, although he deserved more. There's little doubt that he has talent and can fill a hole at both ends, but is seemingly reliant on injuries to get a game. Could be lost to the Swans if the opportunities don't come his way in 2007, as he is at an age where he can't afford to continue waiting patiently in line.
I think he'll stick around, and I think that the Swans will be happy to have him stick around, despite the likelihood he'll again play a single-figure number of games in 2007. Sure, he's a depth player who could be more; but judging by his performance in Perth 2006 he doesn't currently have the fitness base to do more than play off the bench. Sydney plucked him from obscurity in country footy, so I don't think he'd simply walk in the hope that one of the other 15 clubs would pick him up. Given the limited depth in KPPs, I can't see Sydney wanting to dump or trade him, either.

Stephen Doyle - 26 in July. Can't spend an entire career wrapped in cotton wool. Was surprisingly good in his handful of games towards the end of the year, culminating in a deserved finals appearance. Yet if the recruitment of Everitt goes according to plan he'll be almost 28 before he again finds himself likely to be in the best 22. Needs to surprise us, or his future will rest on the (lack of) development of Earl Shaw and Daniel Currie.
No problems with his ability. The longer he spends on the park, the better he looks. The real issues are whether Roos is prepared to go with a 3-ruck team, and of course the perennial Doyle problem: injuries. History says that he's more likely to end his career in the Heath James way (the chronically injured tend to stay chronically injured). But we have ourselves a quality, underrated 2nd/3rd ruck if he, like our World Cup team, can prove history wrong.

Luke Ablett - 25 in November. Has been a good servant in the past two years without ever quite taking the next step to becoming a top-flight midfielder. Has been by-passed by Buchanan, Malceski and arguably McVeigh in 2006. The case can be made that after 78 games and entering the prime years of his career, he should be a more certain selection than he is. Should be mindful of the continuing development of Jarred Moore and Tim Schmidt.
After a concerningly mediocre first half of the year, took off and played some of the best games of his career in the latter stages of the minor round, albeit he didn't continue that form into the finals. I can't help but agree with you, in the sense that of all of the 'automatic selection' players in the Swans' squad who are under 25, I would nominate NOG as the one least likely to make it to 150 games. Hope he can prove me wrong. I'd like him a lot more if he could stop getting caught holding the ball by just accepting the tackle.

Ben Mathews - 29 in November. Goes without saying, really. Paul Roos, Ben Mathews and SouthSwans appear to be the only three people in the world that think he's in the best 22. Getting old and is having progressively less impact on matches. Surely needs a big 2007 or - *gasp* - Roosy might actually be forced to make a decision on one of his favourites.
Not much point debating this one. He's not going to change his style or abilities. Ben Mathews could continue playing at roughly the level he's at now, for at least another 3 or 4 years. Purely a selection decision of how long Roos and the selection committee value his style of player over the best alternative in the 2s. Has anyone announced the 'leadership group' for 2007 yet?

Tim Schmidt - 21 in March. Two games in late 2006 was a promising sign of things to come, but after three years on the list he can't afford to tread water this year. Needs to displace at least a couple of his fellow youngsters in the pecking order. Ten games is a minimum - twenty would be a sign that he features in Sydney's long term planning.
Haven't seen enough of the 2s to really comment. I know that he's a huge possession accumulator in Canberra; but on his limited firsts gametime, has looked like the proverbial vanilla midfielder to date.

Ted Richards - 24 last week. A great Grand Final should ensure that Teddy lines up in round one against The Enemy. However, he is and always will be a 'tweener' - not big enough for a key position, not quick enough to be a true wingman. Heath Grundy and Luke Vogels have a size advantage and can be counted on to create strong pressure for his spot. A strong season, conversely, will set him up nicely when looking ahead to 2010 and the absence of Leo Barry, Michael O'Loughlin and Tadhg Kennelly.
Sydney have plenty of 'tweeners': Dempster, CBolt, ROK, Keneally, arguably Vogels, arguably MOL, plus Leo Barry is shorter than a tweener. Nothing wrong with that of itself; you just want the blokes who can do the job for the team. Richards has proved that he can be that guy. An absolute revelation in the latter part of the year. I think he played too many good games, topped with an extraordinary 2nd half in the grannie, not to continue strong form into 2007.

Lewis Roberts-Thomson - 24 in September. One suspects that LRT will always be just a little too unco to be a guaranteed proposition three years into the future. Will start the season as first-choice CHB but Luke Vogels in particular will launch a strong challenge as a more naturally skillful and attacking player. The Swans have invested far too much - and seen more than enough good signs - for him to be on the scrapheap after 2007, but for LRT to be a 150 game player will require further improvement. Happily, I suspect that he has it in him.
Having stuck with him when he was absolute crap, I think it's a pretty safe bet that the Swans will stick with him through more minor form fluctuations. Needs to establish himself as a leader in defence, though, as Leo heads towards the end of his career. Has come a long way, but has a lot still to do.

Peter Everitt - 33 in May. I love the Spida and wish we'd picked him up years ago. At the same time, he is old and coming off an injury-ruined season. Hopefully the gamble pays off and we get two good seasons out of the star recruit. It could all go wrong very quickly, however. I suspect we'll know by round ten if the Spida deal will pay off - if it does, we will once again be in premiership contention.
Everitt is a model of consistency-- he described 2006 as a shocker for him, but his ruck stats (in the games he played) were actually good. Purely an injury issue. Mature players who can't get on the park, get very old very fast. Plus his position creates problems for at least one of Doyle and Grundy: if Roos decides to play 3 rucks, that'll be because Everitt will be asked to to play forward a fair bit. Which in turn will leave Heath Grundy nowhere.

There are others I could mention, but my #1 'big year' guy for 2007 apart from the above list, is Jarred Moore. Very cruel to get an injury just as he was cementing his spot in the side in 2006. Sydney already had so many goddamn midfield prospects, and despite the departure of Williams, Spriggs and little Willo, it hasn't got any less crowded in 2007 bearing in mind the promotion of Simpkin, DOK as a first-round draft pick, and Luke Brennan as a ready-to-play mature rookie. Moore again needs to fight his way through the ruck to take advantage of whatever minimal opportunities might be available.
 
I don't look at Dempster's general play and see a hint of creativity in him. The best example I can think of is that he can be quite good at minding his man but I don't think I've ever seen him gamble and leave his man to try and help in defence, granted that is just the way he plays defence (and may very well be that he is just a young guy who has been told by the coaching staff "go stand on him and don't leave his side") but it is something that I would like to see him do. Every good attacking move I can recall Sean making has seen him "on the end" of something, not creating something himself.
Sean is definitely someone who I would like to prove me wrong this season. I don't think he has learnt a wing to make his own and just see how he goes yet, but he does have the physical attributes of someone who would be great on the wing.
Your right about Dempster he should show inicitive and leave his man some times and take a punt.
 
There are others I could mention, but my #1 'big year' guy for 2007 apart from the above list, is Jarred Moore. Very cruel to get an injury just as he was cementing his spot in the side in 2006. Sydney already had so many goddamn midfield prospects, and despite the departure of Williams, Spriggs and little Willo, it hasn't got any less crowded in 2007 bearing in mind the promotion of Simpkin, DOK as a first-round draft pick, and Luke Brennan as a ready-to-play mature rookie. Moore again needs to fight his way through the ruck to take advantage of whatever minimal opportunities might be available.[/quote]

The story also goes that once injured last year the Swans sent him to the AIS to work on his running style because of concerns about his ability to make it as a running midfielder rather than a creative small forward. Has a good footy brain for AFL - its going to be the body that tests him.

Must also disagree on Schmidt. More than a vanilla midfielder but time and game time at that will determine whether he makes it.

And CharlieG - I think we are all being hard markers here - we won in 05 and lost by a point in 06. Thats top notch form for anyone except the Lions in recent generations. Give me Spida in the ruck in 06 and I reckon we are looking for a 3peat so the list is sound if it stays on the park.
 

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Moore was quickly signed up for a further three years at the end of 2006.Someone in Sydney must like him.Apparantly he was crickets loss and AFLs gain....lets see!!!!!!!!
 
Big fan of Dempster, and he's played more games by the age of 23 than most youngsters who arrive at the Swans. Creativity is a question mark, but not everyone needs to be Goodes. I don't think he's a Keneally replacement; others are being groomed for that role. I also don't think he needs to have a fixed role in the team. He can play on the opposition's 2nd/3rd forward against some teams, or can push up to wing or the forward line against others. He's fast, well-built, an excellent mark, a penetrating kick, and (with a few notable exceptions in a flat mid-stretch of 2006) rarely gets beaten by his man.

That makes a lot of sense. Even though he's a premiership player, he still hasn't settled into any particular position.

Dempster didn't play competitive footy until he was 15 (he was a soccer player), but he made giant strides to get into the Gippsland Power team, and then drafted by the Swans. Until he moved to Sydney, he had never played in a defensive role at any level. At the Swans, he has played 95% of his football in the back half, including a full season at full-back in the reserves.

He's tall, strong, fast, and probably the longest kick in the squad, but I think he'll be just a back-up player for at least another couple of seasons before we get to see the best of him.
 
Thinking a bit more about the best - or at least the longest - kicks at the Swans, it occured that four of the players with the most penetrating kicks have something in common - ie Dempster, Ablett, Davis and Kennelly.

But can we find a similar link for Malceski, Schneider or Craig Bolton?

And how do we explain away / excuse Doyle?
 
Thinking a bit more about the best - or at least the longest - kicks at the Swans, it occured that four of the players with the most penetrating kicks have something in common - ie Dempster, Ablett, Davis and Kennelly.

But can we find a similar link for Malceski, Schneider or Craig Bolton?

And how do we explain away / excuse Doyle?

Schneider yes, in the country. Don't know about Mal or C-Bolt.
 
Thinking a bit more about the best - or at least the longest - kicks at the Swans, it occured that four of the players with the most penetrating kicks have something in common - ie Dempster, Ablett, Davis and Kennelly.

But can we find a similar link for Malceski, Schneider or Craig Bolton?

And how do we explain away / excuse Doyle?

I just had a thought! How about if Roos played Nick Davis across half back? He would provide plenty of run and like you said he is a beautiful long kick and it would provide plenty of supply for our forwards. What are your thoughts about Nick Davis across half back?
 

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I just had a thought! How about if Roos played Nick Davis across half back? He would provide plenty of run and like you said he is a beautiful long kick and it would provide plenty of supply for our forwards. What are your thoughts about Nick Davis across half back?
Nick spent time across HB at Collingwood and was very good. I'd certainly like to see him used further up the field than FF, but I prefer just to HF or the centre line. I am not sure that we can afford to play both Tadhg and Nick across HB.
 
Nick spent time across HB at Collingwood and was very good. I'd certainly like to see him used further up the field than FF, but I prefer just to HF or the centre line. I am not sure that we can afford to play both Tadhg and Nick across HB.

It would be exciting footy to see Kennelly and Davis across half-back though.
 
I know Kennelly would go back on their man but I'm not sure about Davis though.

Sorry I respect your opinion (u stated it a few times) but IMO Davis would be an utter waste at HBF. It is 2007 he needs to step up and reach his potential as a regular consistent goal kicking forward/ and be able to do required rotations in Swans unusual version of "midfield"
 
Sorry I respect your opinion (u stated it a few times) but IMO Davis would be an utter waste at HBF. It is 2007 he needs to step up and reach his potential as a regular consistent goal kicking forward/ and be able to do required rotations in Swans unusual version of "midfield"

What did I state? It was only a thought that Davis could play Half-Back. They would most likely play Kennelly and Malceski across Half-Back.
 
What did I state? It was only a thought that Davis could play Half-Back. They would most likely play Kennelly and Malceski across Half-Back.

Eski to play HBF and probably C.Bolton. Move Kennelly to the midfield. We need abit of a run from him.

And as for Nick, he stays as a foward/midfield. Its a risk I'd say if we put him HBF, but a great thought though. :)
 
I like the idea of Kennelly in the midfield, it's about time he is moved there.

Yup, Kennelly suits the midfielder's role better than defending. He's not a good defensive player IMO. He's a great runner of course, we always see him unleash his famous runs, and it's a biiig boost for our midfield.
 
Yup, Kennelly suits the midfielder's role better than defending. He's not a good defensive player IMO. He's a great runner of course, we always see him unleash his famous runs, and it's a biiig boost for our midfield.

He diffenately could become another outside midfield to compliment Adam Goodes :D We can have Goodes on one wing and Kennelly on the other, sounds good to me :D
 
He diffenately could become another outside midfield to compliment Adam Goodes :D We can have Goodes on one wing and Kennelly on the other, sounds good to me :D

I have to agree with you on that one too. Goodes and Kennelly makes our side look much better in terms of midfields. Maybe we should file this in to Paul Roos, he should consider it.
 

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