Mega Thread 2011/12 Trade/Draft/Delist Megathread - Mid-Trade-Week edition

[dajesmac]

Surely they would want him, otherwise he would cost us pick 23?

Mmmmmm also surely Koby would be as good as gone if we pick up Horsly.

So he is prelisted?

Why do you say that re:Koby? Is it because of Horsely also being an inside mid?

 

[Milenko]

If we don't get a crumber who can go through the middle I'm going to blow my top. Does anyone else think that's a big gap in our team?

Hit the nail on the head.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

So he is prelisted?

Why do you say that re:Koby? Is it because of Horsely also being an inside mid?

Yes.

I just wonder who would be more ready to go come round 1 or early in the season if there was a spot available.

If both are competing for spots with Horsly taking games, then would it be surprising if we lost a player like Stevens.

Not sure about Horsly being pre-listed, if he has ever nominated then we could trade for him as a pre-listed player. Surely GWS would pick him up though.

 

[Icanwalk]

Is Horsely GWS prelisted?

I would be very keen to get him.

Man, every year we complain about the lack of pace and skill running through our midfield. Now that we've missed out on Hill (who fills this need), why should we target Horsely. Although Hill isn't a world beater, he is a low risk high reward option and could definitely add to the team.

All that Horesly will add is a bit of grunt (which we aint short of) and one less spot for our young mids. We'd deserve to lose a Stevens/Swift if we draft this guy.

 

[dajesmac]

Yes.

I just wonder who would be more ready to go come round 1 or early in the season if there was a spot available.

If both are competing for spots with Horsly taking games, then would it be surprising if we lost a player like Stevens.

Not sure about Horsly being pre-listed, if he has ever nominated then we could trade for him as a pre-listed player. Surely GWS would pick him up though.

Fair enough. Is Horsely capable of playing on a forward flank? He does have weapons. Personally I would hope we'd give the spot to Stevens/Swift initially and then if Horsely is commanding a spot, at least we would have the option. He is a very decent player.

Man, every year we complain about the lack of pace and skill running through our midfield. Now that we've missed out on Hill (who fills this need), why should we target Horsely. Although Hill isn't a world beater, he is a low risk high reward option and could definitely add to the team.

All that Horesly will add is a bit of grunt (which we aint short of) and one less spot for our young mids. We'd deserve to lose a Stevens/Swift if we draft this guy.

From what I'd heard about Horsely though he does have pace and skill, even as an inside grunt. He certainly has a raking left boot.

 

[Obeanie1]

You would hope Koby becomes a better player at AFL level then Horsly.

Also, how stupid are Fremantle?

Yep they ran a root with this one.

By fluffing around trying to rip the Lions off with compensation they put doubt in Clark's mind and opened the door just enough for Melbourne to make a pitch and win his services.

What a fantastic outcome.

 

[swannies]

If we don't get a crumber who can go through the middle I'm going to blow my top. Does anyone else think that's a big gap in our team?

Not really. They're cream on the top, they don't win you premierships. Usually the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle, if you will.

Man, every year we complain about the lack of pace and skill running through our midfield. Now that we've missed out on Hill (who fills this need), why should we target Horsely. Although Hill isn't a world beater, he is a low risk high reward option and could definitely add to the team.

All that Horesly will add is a bit of grunt (which we aint short of) and one less spot for our young mids. We'd deserve to lose a Stevens/Swift if we draft this guy.

Are you still pissed? If so, I'm concerned, because I find myself agreeing with you, but I'm stone cold sober!

Yep they ran a root with this one.

By fluffing around trying to rip the Lions off with compensation they put doubt in Clark's mind and opened the door just enough for Melbourne to make a pitch and win his services.

What a fantastic outcome.

Actually think, maybe by blind luck, maybe by good management, that they may have dodged a bullet here. As Bond said, why would you make him your highest paid player? So their reasoning is absolutely correct, now Melbourne, who were financially strapped I thought? have the problem to deal with. Although, I think Clark is a good fit with Melbourne as well.

 

[new breed]

Collingwood and Essendon are very keen on Horsley but evidently GWS are going to pre list Horsley and keep him ie not trade him off .

Murray Newman is a mid / small forward we are keen on , we MIGHT get him at 45 but definately at 28

 

[gurncentral]

Not really. They're cream on the top, they don't win you premierships. Usually the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle, if you will.

Varcoe, Christensen, Cyril, Krakouer, Blair and even Walters have all played big parts in finals in recent years. We're (basically) set for talls in the medium-term. We already have a number of mids playing well in the WAFL. But out of all the players on our list, only Broome is a true crumber - and he's three feet tall. Besides, if we're planning to challenge in the next few years, surely we'd be looking to recruit the cream now, so they're ready by the time our young mids enter their prime.

 

[INSANE]

Varcoe, Christensen, Cyril, Krakouer, Blair and even Walters have all played big parts in finals in recent years. We're (basically) set for talls in the medium-term. We already have a number of mids playing well in the WAFL. But out of all the players on our list, only Broome is a true crumber - and he's three feet tall. Besides, if we're planning to challenge in the next few years, surely we'd be looking to recruit the cream now, so they're ready by the time our young mids enter their prime.

Maybe they are set on taking Murray Newman in the draft at 23 or 28. I can't believe how low some have in going in the 'Phantom Draft' section. Has sweet arse foot skills, kicks goals, quick/creative etc. On top of that he's excelled at the Champs and looks to have easily adjusted to senior WAFL footy......So the club might think with that senior experience+pre-season, he could be ready to go round 1. Just from looking at him, imo he will not be a runt and will easily get a solid body quickly...

For me he's a no-brainer unless a there's freak slider a la Darling...Though I can't see it any of this years draftees.

Question to swannies: What can you tell me about Corey Gault? From the limited bits and pieces I've seen he looks like a very good, very tall utility/ruck in the Jackson Trengove style. Is pick 28 about right do you think? Looks like a great KPD type for the future.

 

[swannies]

Varcoe, Christensen, Cyril, Krakouer, Blair and even Walters have all played big parts in finals in recent years. We're (basically) set for talls in the medium-term. We already have a number of mids playing well in the WAFL. But out of all the players on our list, only Broome is a true crumber - and he's three feet tall. Besides, if we're planning to challenge in the next few years, surely we'd be looking to recruit the cream now, so they're ready by the time our young mids enter their prime.

Yes, but Varcoe et al, also play higher up the ground, so don't just stay around goals. But yes, we'd probably be ready to jump at one, which is where Newman may come in, who's also played through the wing for Swans.

Question to swannies: What can you tell me about Corey Gault? From the limited bits and pieces I've seen he looks like a very good, very tall utility/ruck in the Jackson Trengove style. Is pick 28 about right do you think? Looks like a great KPD type for the future.

Last time we were set on taking a player, Walters, according to all and sundry, it still didn't happen.

Gault, I really rated after the last game against Perth, because McInnes was there for me to compare against. He plays with enthusiasm, has good work rate and is a good mark. 28 might be a touch high, but if you're going to be out of the draft you might have to pull the trigger. I liked his game more than McInnes's in that last game, FWIW. Although, McInnes has a much stronger body, looks to be a good KP prospect, but Freo have 16 and 20 and if he gets past them I'd be surprised.

 

[Prem87]

Collingwood and Essendon are very keen on Horsley but evidently GWS are going to pre list Horsley and keep him ie not trade him off .

Murray Newman is a mid / small forward we are keen on , we MIGHT get him at 45 but definately at 28

Looks great http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=123398

Anyone know how he went in the Draft Camp Testing?

 

[Obeanie1]

Not really. They're cream on the top, they don't win you premierships. Usually the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle, if you will.



Are you still pissed? If so, I'm concerned, because I find myself agreeing with you, but I'm stone cold sober!



Actually think, maybe by blind luck, maybe by good management, that they may have dodged a bullet here. As Bond said, why would you make him your highest paid player? So their reasoning is absolutely correct, now Melbourne, who were financially strapped I thought? have the problem to deal with. Although, I think Clark is a good fit with Melbourne as well.

IMO pick 16 plus a player such as Ibbotson would have landed Clark mid week/ Thurs/ Friday before Melbourne started throwing stupid money at him. Freo would have had Pavlich at FF, Clark CHF and Mayne as the third tall costing them pick 16 in a weak draft and a half back flanker. They already had a deal set pay wise and this wasn't at stupid money, and no he wouldn't have been the highest paid player at Freo.

The Dockers got greedy trying to pick him up cheap and rip the Lions off, they got burnt. Good chance Pavlich, Sandilands and McFarlin won't be around when Freo finally make a GF.

Melbourne now have a forward line of Watts, Clark and Jurrah. Looks much, much better.

 

[bodazoka]

IMO pick 16 plus a player such as Ibbotson would have landed Clark mid week/ Thurs/ Friday before Melbourne started throwing stupid money at him. Freo would have had Pavlich at FF, Clark CHF and Mayne as the third tall costing them pick 16 in a weak draft and a half back flanker. They already had a deal set pay wise and this wasn't at stupid money, and no he wouldn't have been the highest paid player at Freo.

The Dockers got greedy trying to pick him up cheap and rip the Lions off, they got burnt. Good chance Pavlich, Sandilands and McFarlin won't be around when Freo finally make a GF.

Melbourne now have a forward line of Watts, Clark and Jurrah. Looks much, much better.

This is correct.

Fremantle absolutely missed a great opportunity they are screaming for talls, and the flexibility he would of added *shakes head*

 

[beatlesmith]

IMO pick 16 plus a player such as Ibbotson would have landed Clark mid week/ Thurs/ Friday before Melbourne started throwing stupid money at him. Freo would have had Pavlich at FF, Clark CHF and Mayne as the third tall costing them pick 16 in a weak draft and a half back flanker. They already had a deal set pay wise and this wasn't at stupid money, and no he wouldn't have been the highest paid player at Freo.

The Dockers got greedy trying to pick him up cheap and rip the Lions off, they got burnt. Good chance Pavlich, Sandilands and McFarlin won't be around when Freo finally make a GF.

Melbourne now have a forward line of Watts, Clark and Jurrah. Looks much, much better.

Agree with this.
Not sure Clark fits Melbourne anyway. Plays his best up forward when he is up the ground at CHF and able to roam, which is what Watts is supposed to be doing.
Seems to struggle as the focal point at FF, leaving Melbourne without a genuine goalkicking FF. Would have fit in a lot better at Freo IMO

 

[kane249]

This is correct.

Fremantle absolutely missed a great opportunity they are screaming for talls, and the flexibility he would of added *shakes head*

I remember I tried to have that debate with a Freo fan and they said they were fine because they had Bradley, Johnson and Mayne up forward as options

 

[ziad]

Agree with this.
Not sure Clark fits Melbourne anyway. Plays his best up forward when he is up the ground at CHF and able to roam, which is what Watts is supposed to be doing.
Seems to struggle as the focal point at FF, leaving Melbourne without a genuine goalkicking FF. Would have fit in a lot better at Freo IMO

I suspect the reality that watt is not a Kp foward but a wing, link man is hitting home.

Clarks best work for mine was in the ruck. Not sure Freo should have haid the price needed.

Time will tell. What have Clarks head problems been?

 

[Prem87]

I agree Beatlesmith not sure if Clark fits Melbourne, would have been perfect for Freo. They missed out on a big opportunity, but they probably were just as keen to draft a couple of players with their first round picks..probably Brad Hill.

 

[Icanwalk]

Yes, but Varcoe et al, also play higher up the ground, so don't just stay around goals. But yes, we'd probably be ready to jump at one, which is where Newman may come in, who's also played through the wing for Swans.

Must admit I haven't seen much of Newman at all. Could you give us an insight into the sort of small he is, ie: your traditional small crumbing forward or a shorter midfielder capable of playing the small forward role and a useful mid rotation.

I hope the latter, I'm of the opinion that your stay at home small forward will have a diminishing role at AFL level in the years to come with defensive efforts and versatility emerging as important qualities.

Also what's his pace and skills like?
And would he be around at our second rounder, or will we have to take him with 23/28?

 

[kane249]

I suspect the reality that watt is not a Kp foward but a wing, link man is hitting home.

Clarks best work for mine was in the ruck. Not sure Freo should have haid the price needed.

Time will tell. What have Clarks head problems been?

Watts could yet be used as a Riewoldt type lead up forward by them, still got some development in him

 

[Coast_Watch]

Re: brad ebert quits west coast

Chances are we won't use the pick anyway

we'll have two picks in the 20's - and we'll probably use a late one to upgrade hams

i've been away - but we've lost jones and ebert from the main list - that means we still have to delist someone to even participate in the draft. pick 45 or 49 means nought to us i'd imagine

I think we are required to de-list 3 from the senior list and either recruit from the draft, or upgrade from rookies to replace them. If Ebert gets replaced on the main list by Hill, we will still need to de-list 2 more players. I'd expect 2 of Dalziel, Wilson, Stevenson and Swift could be going.

I seriously don't rate Hams. He is an ordinary player and fairly slow for his size. At his age, significant improvement is highly unlikely. If he can't be retained on the rookie list, I'd let him go. I'm not sure of the new rookie list requirements - how long on list/ages etc.

The questions become (1) is upgrading Hams better than what you might get at say Pick 49 (which = pick 61+ in a normal draft) ? OR (2) would re-listing someone like Stevenson or Swift be better than upgrading Hams ? My thoughts would be probably No to (1) and yes to (2). Which means I'd go straight to the draft and at worst, most likely have the opportunity to re-list Stevenson or Swift if the quality wasn't there. Just thoughts . .

 

[Icanwalk]

Re: brad ebert quits west coast

I think we are required to de-list 3 from the senior list and either recruit from the draft, or upgrade from rookies to replace them. If Ebert gets replaced on the main list by Hill, we will still need to de-list 2 more players. I'd expect 2 of Dalziel, Wilson, Stevenson and Swift could be going.

I seriously don't rate Hams. He is an ordinary player and fairly slow for his size. At his age, significant improvement is highly unlikely. If he can't be retained on the rookie list, I'd let him go. I'm not sure of the new rookie list requirements - how long on list/ages etc.

The questions become (1) is upgrading Hams better than what you might get at say Pick 49 (which = pick 61+ in a normal draft) ? OR (2) would re-listing someone like Stevenson or Swift be better than upgrading Hams ? My thoughts would be probably No to (1) and yes to (2). Which means I'd go straight to the draft and at worst, most likely have the opportunity to re-list Stevenson or Swift if the quality wasn't there. Just thoughts . .

Good good post my friend.

Do not understand the Hams love at all, a lot of bandwagoning perhaps. As you said, for such a tiny he's frightfully slow and is no more a crumber than the Q Stick.

If the coaching staff are even considering upgrading Hams at the expense of a Swift/ Stevenson/ J.Jones, then we are in trouble. It should be a no brainer but I'm expecting the worst. I'd also cut him from the rookie list if we can't afford to keep him. Would rather a speculative 3rd rounder than Hams in all honesty.

 

[groga]

Re: brad ebert quits west coast

If the coaching staff are even considering upgrading Hams at the expense of a Swift/ Stevenson/ J.Jones, then we are in trouble.

Jordan Jones can still become a very good player. To be honest on potential J.Jones - - - - -> Hams

 

[swannies]

Re: brad ebert quits west coast

I think we are required to de-list 3 from the senior list and either recruit from the draft, or upgrade from rookies to replace them. If Ebert gets replaced on the main list by Hill, we will still need to de-list 2 more players. I'd expect 2 of Dalziel, Wilson, Stevenson and Swift could be going.

Did you miss the memo that B Jones retired? We only need to move 1 more player on, but we've kept our options open with Wilson, Dalziell, Stevenson and a couple of others, still unsigned. Wilson and Dalziell are most likely to go, IMO, unless we still want to move 5+ players on and have 5 picks, which I highly doubt, as it's still a compromised draft.

On top of these we have Embley and Nicoski only signed to 1 year deals, so next year looks like we might make a bigger player movement.

 

[bodazoka]

Re: brad ebert quits west coast

Dalziell and Wilson get delisted and then we can take 3 picks in the ND and upgrade Hams. If we get Hill then Hams will stay on the rookie list as a 3rd year rookie.

Easy.?