List Mgmt. 2011 National Draft

[year of the cat]

I'm starting to wonder if things fall our way whether we may go tall with both picks 32 and 34. Maybe a McInnes/Paine or Boseley/Paine combination or even including Bolger in with this mix?

 

[Selective Retention]

The media phantom drafts are poor for Geelong. They know we will probably take a Falcon at some stage so have us picking the whole team in the hope they will get one right.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'm starting to wonder if things fall our way whether we may go tall with both picks 32 and 34. Maybe a McInnes/Paine or Boseley/Paine combination or even including Bolger in with this mix?

It's distinctly possible. If you look at even a guy like Clarke to Hawthorn at 38 (good spec pick) it may well be that a lot of clubs start reaching for talls early, given that with many having deficiencies, they might want to not be picking from the leftovers. It'll depend on what happens before our first pick, but if it goes that way and there's quality talls there then we might do it. For example if all of Boseley, Talia, Paine, Curran, McInness Blee etc are available you'd consider going tall-tall, you might then still be able to grab a good mid at 48.

I also suspect this strategy will depend on whether Wells has a mature tall that he thinks he can get late, that might stop the need to go tall-tall upfront.

The media phantom drafts are poor for Geelong. They know we will probably take a Falcon at some stage so have us picking the whole team in the hope they will get one right.

Exactly, I agree.

And given the Falcons played a pretty high possession game this year you have to remember a lot of the players stats (particularly the runners) are 'inflated' in possession terms. Not to say that they can't play of course, but it's a factor the media guys should probably keep in mind.

 

[you pick one]

There's some wild fluctuation out there as to where players might fall,I was looking at Clay Smith from Gippsland with our middle pick based on Snoop Dog,but now seeing him as short as pick 15 and 22.

Now I'm seeing Murdoch at pick 26 a long way from my pick 78.

 

[magicmarker]

Phelan has us taking Sheridan, Boseley, Merrett, Williams and Sheahan.

1 KPD 1 KPF 3 mids, 4 Vic incl 3 Falcons and 1 WA.

I have no problem with the first two picks and they are in fact likely if they get through-Boseley tested very well for a big guy and fills an obvious need, Sheridan is vanilla but he tested very well, has great endurance and works hard both ways and loves to win his own ball, which Wells likes. Grigg and Forster would tempt me, but I can't argue 32 and 34.

From there I disagree, though I like Merrett, if Bolger is on the board at 48 I pick him without a second thought and don't look back (just ahead of Paine, who I'd be similarly comfortable taking. I find it very hard to believe in what is a basically a three ruckman draft (in terms of really good prospects) with Longer, Bolger and then Downie as the late bolter, that Bolger gets anywhere near the 3rd round. Even with his foot injuries I don't see that happening.

All the players Phelan has picked have enough talent and potential but I don't think he's got the balance right, particularly when you look at the talls that were still available, it's likely if those guys were available on the night we'd definitely take more than 1 tall in our first 4 picks.

I also suspect we'll probably take one mature age player from somewhere, it'll be interesting to see who.

I don't view Sheridan as being vanilla, at this stage he doesn't seem to be a well rounded player in that he seems to heavily favour handballing over kicking, that said, he is very creative by hand and I can see some similarity between him and GAJ or Christensen in that they can really open up the play with their creativity in close. Not saying he'll ever be as good as these two - he needs to develop his kicking game - but I can see his creativity being a real weapon as he develops.

Can't argue with respect to Bolger - another I thought we probably wouldn't get a crack at.

I have Williams in my list for the BMW (and Sheridan), I'm not totally sold on him, but he could be a good value later pick. Similar style player to Chappy but apart from his kicking I think he's got a lot of work to do.

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

Getting the player mix right is what I see as the big challenge in this draft and then drafting in the right order of course but its where Wells has excelled in the past so I sort of feel we might do better than expected

 

[Pivo]

I'm starting to wonder if things fall our way whether we may go tall with both picks 32 and 34. Maybe a McInnes/Paine or Boseley/Paine combination or even including Bolger in with this mix?

I think you may be right - a key defender and a key forward or guys who can do both might be well on the cards. You can get your mids later on.

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

I will be interested in the reaction on here if we dont take any talls with our first two picks

 

[you pick one]

I will be interested in the reaction on here if we dont take any talls with our first two picks

Don't get me started,except for Bews,I'd be happy if we didn't take a player under 190cm,we can't find a spot for all the short arses where got now,as I said don't get me started.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I don't view Sheridan as being vanilla, at this stage he doesn't seem to be a well rounded player in that he seems to heavily favour handballing over kicking, that said, he is very creative by hand and I can see some similarity between him and GAJ or Christensen in that they can really open up the play with their creativity in close. Not saying he'll ever be as good as these two - he needs to develop his kicking game - but I can see his creativity being a real weapon as he develops.

Can't argue with respect to Bolger - another I thought we probably wouldn't get a crack at.

I have Williams in my list for the BMW (and Sheridan), I'm not totally sold on him, but he could be a good value later pick. Similar style player to Chappy but apart from his kicking I think he's got a lot of work to do.

Bad choice of words on my part, what I was getting at with Sheridan is that he doesn't have a 'wow reel' but he does a few things very well, in particular he's that tall midfielder who can cover the ground that Wells likes, he excels at contested ball which Wells likes, you know he works hard both ways and has a big tank, and looks to open up opportunities for his teammates. Doesn't sound sexy, but when you drill down, the type of mid we often like.

Kicking doesn't worry me because there's no technical problem as far as I can see, he just needs to adjust his kick to handball ratio (much as our team had to this year) which is something good development coaches will bring out. Given the more significant flaws of some of the players in this year's pool, I'd take that.

I think you may be right - a key defender and a key forward or guys who can do both might be well on the cards. You can get your mids later on.

Hope so. You got any particular names in mind Pivo?

 

[thejester]

This is what I'll be semi-hoping for tomorrow night:

Pick #32: Tom Curran. Can play both ends, is a little bit bigger than most of the KPPs we've got on the list...and the extraordinarily petty part of me would love it if Hawthorn's greed got the better of them.

Pick #34: Henry Schade Been a steady drip feed of Tasmanians drafted to Geelong over the last few years, Schade fits a need and sounds like a Geelong player.

Pick #48: Jackson Merrett Hard to decide on this pick. I think Merrett's a type of player we don't have a lot of and it doesn't hurt he's a Falcon.

Pick #66: Josh Waldhuter Doubt he'll slide this far but I really liked him at the Champs. Off half back had a bit of dash and a thumping boot but also had a real inside game - went for the ball hard, stood up in tackles and generally competed.

Pick #78: Jack Newnes I really liked Newnes at the Champs and I'm not sure why he's dropped so far in everyone's estimation. Solid footballer, nothing outstanding but has a more inside game than most of the youngsters he'd be joining on the list at Geelong.

Pick #84: Jed Bews

 

[Pivo]

Hope so. You got any particular names in mind Pivo?

Honestly mate, it is all guess-work (even more so than usual) as I haven't seen any of the kids this year so it is all based on reading and hearsay.

In the other thread I went;

Frost
Boseley
Merrett
Lever
Ellis-Yolmen

Frost, from what I can gather, is unlikely to get to us but may be around the mark.

Lever sounds like he stunk it up during the year but I think is worth a punt (especially with our list).

Ellis-Yolmen might be a "smoky" as he is coming back from injury but I think he has the tools and comes from a pretty successful footy factory in SA.

Like I say mate, guesswork.

 

[you pick one]

This is what I'll be semi-hoping for tomorrow night:

Pick #32: Tom Curran. Can play both ends, is a little bit bigger than most of the KPPs we've got on the list...and the extraordinarily petty part of me would love it if Hawthorn's greed got the better of them.

I really liked his attitude when the Hawks said no to the F/S pick.
I wouldn't give them another chance to grab him at pick 33.
Hope we're on the money with this one.

 

[magicmarker]

Bad choice of words on my part, what I was getting at with Sheridan is that he doesn't have a 'wow reel' but he does a few things very well, in particular he's that tall midfielder who can cover the ground that Wells likes, he excels at contested ball which Wells likes, you know he works hard both ways and has a big tank, and looks to open up opportunities for his teammates. Doesn't sound sexy, but when you drill down, the type of mid we often like.

Kicking doesn't worry me because there's no technical problem as far as I can see, he just needs to adjust his kick to handball ratio (much as our team had to this year) which is something good development coaches will bring out. Given the more significant flaws of some of the players in this year's pool, I'd take that.

I agree, although I haven't seen enough of his kicking to comment how good or bad it is. I think what pushes his name down the list a little is he seems to lack hurt factor at the moment - if he was consistently drilling 45 metre passes lace-out we'd be talking about him as a potential top 10 pick. With development, I've got a feeling this guy may surprise a few people when plays a few senior games.

 

[year of the cat]

This is now what I am hoping for:

Pick #32: Fraser McInnes. A bigger bodied KPD who can play forward. Lovely left foot kick with a nice side step. Have seen bugger all vision of him but enough to see that he has a feel for the game. I believe he is related to Rob Wiley so comes from a footy family.

Pick #34: Jackson Paine. I can't quite work out what the knock on this guy is? To me he would complement Hawkins and Brown in our forwardline nicely. Love his aggression and ability to take a contested grab. I also like the fact that he worked well with Patton - shows the guy has smarts.

Pick #48: Jackson Merrett. Agree with Jester here. Hopefully this kid drops - I think we need to add a bit more pace through the middle. Being a local boy doesn't hurt.

Pick #66: Jay Lever. I think we may take a ruckman either in the main draft or rookie draft. At pick 66 why not take Lever?

Pick #78: Ben Darrou. Like players with a bit of "c" in them. Despite him being best known for his tackling, he has lovely footskills. Needs to improve his tank but a pre-season or two would help here. Can see him playing in a defensive forward role possibly.

Pick #84: Jed Bews

 

[vinum coupe]

I'm just hoping that when our selections come out tomorrow and we hunt down footage that all of the guys are excellent when the ball is at their feet.

I think it is critical now with presses etc. If you're under pressure and dont yet have the spilled footy you'd want to know how to get it, and how to give it under heat.

It's only going to get harder to play AFL in 5 years time.

 

[meto]

What is the likleyhood of us taking Darrou?

I'm with you, after the loss of Rooke now Ling, we really need a grunt player who can be a defensive/mid and plays creatively, looking at his vid he ticks all the boxes for me.

A late bargain quite possibly, love him at the cattery.

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

Don't get me started,except for Bews,I'd be happy if we didn't take a player under 190cm,we can't find a spot for all the short arses where got now,as I said don't get me started.

Point taken!

I just think sometimes you have to take the talent on offer, but I think our needs have been well documented in this thread. I wouldnt mind Merrett at some stage, and he just dips in under the 190! And generally speaking you should always take a quality mid in every draft and I think this is what will get to some if our first pick is a quality mid who slides to pick 32 and then the tall we wanted isnt there at 34; what do we pick then? Do we take the best player on offer, or a tall we could get at pick 48? I think that's where it could get interesting in here in this draft.

 

[rocker_oz33]

l like the look of m talia 194cm key defender prob be well gawn by pick 32.

 

[vinum coupe]

Anyone care to take a quick run through our 2009 draft thread and get a feel of the general consensus of what type of player we needed? i.e. we need talls !!!

Then see if people here are happy with what we got.
Because I'll bet we were talking about the forward line back then and we've done jack to fix it.

 

[bulletproof]

Anyone care to take a quick run through our 2009 draft thread and get a feel of the general consensus of what type of player we needed? i.e. we need talls !!!

Then see if people here are happy with what we got.
Because I'll bet we were talking about the forward line back then and we've done jack to fix it.

We got two marking forwards in the 09 draft, Vardy and Menzel.

Hawkins, Vardy and Menzel makes a potent forward line in my opinion.

 

[vinum coupe]

We got two marking forwards in the 09 draft, Vardy and Menzel.

Hawkins, Vardy and Menzel makes a potent forward line in my opinion.

Vardy maybe. But how late did we take him? 42. Hardly a club focus in that case as Vardy was suggested to go top 20. Menzel would never have been considered a tall. And even now people say we dont need mid height forwards. We certainly didn't need one back then.

I guess my point is that Wells will just go for the best available. I cant see him throwing away a class midfielder to get a project tall backman.

 

[krisholio14]

Vardy maybe. But how late did we take him? 42. Hardly a club focus in that case as Vardy was suggested to go top 20. Menzel would never have been considered a tall. And even now people say we dont need mid height forwards. We certainly didn't need one back then.

I guess my point is that Wells will just go for the best available. I cant see him throwing away a class midfielder to get a project tall backman.

The thing is though, 'best available' isn't as clear cut in this draft as it might be normally.

Wellsy no doubt has his system to cut a few from the herd, we will just have to wait and see who that is.

 

[you pick one]

Vardy maybe. But how late did we take him? 42. Hardly a club focus in that case as Vardy was suggested to go top 20. Menzel would never have been considered a tall. And even now people say we dont need mid height forwards. We certainly didn't need one back then.

I guess my point is that Wells will just go for the best available. I cant see him throwing away a class midfielder to get a project tall backman.

You could probably make an argument vc that Vardy was picked as a ruck, and Menzel as a back as much as a forward at the time.

A couple of class forwards by default maybe?

 

[CharacterFirst]

The thing is though, 'best available' isn't as clear cut in this draft as it might be normally.

Wellsy no doubt has his system to cut a few from the herd, we will just have to wait and see who that is.

Agreed. We will know soon enough.