List Mgmt. 2011 National Draft

[magicmarker]

No, she's saying that our picks this year will in part be determined by the knowledge of a) who will be available to us next year with that pick and b) the potential availability of Bourke.

I am a subscriber to this theory. I only think we will pick up a KPD at 32 and 34 if Wells genuinely thinks they are worth it - I tend to think he'll go best available with these picks and look to what's left a bit later on, which could be Blee, Howard, Schade? etc. If what's available isn't up to the standard we're really after, better to set aside one of our first rounders next year for the KPD we need rather than clogging the list.

I could certainly see a versatile tall such as Lockyer in the mix if he's not gone earlier.

 

[you pick one]

Interesting thoughts. Cant think of a player we have taken from another VFL side but he sounds a reasonable get that may be there in the 60's.
I like the look of Sam , perhaps he does have kicking issues but I much prefer him than Boseley , just like the way he moves.

There seems that there will be a lot of very marginal calls come Thurs.

Me too, and has that extra height,as for the kicking issues,thats why we have coaches,if he's a hard worker and willing to learn we should overcome that.

 

[Reg Hickey]

I wouldn't say he is the worst in the competition, but I do see your point.

Perhaps it is an unfair comparison, I suppose my point is that I would see his strengths are he provides run from full back and he is a good clearing kick. As opposed to Boseley, who is good 1:1 but his kicking is a little suspect. Not really a criticism of him as a player, but just they have shown different strengths to this point. That's not to say that with development they couldn't both be very good fullbacks (or even Schoenmakers for that matter ).

Maybe he provides run, but the bolded part I can't agree with. The times I have seen him play he has been a true turnover specialist.

However, he is still young, so he may well improve. He just has a bit more ground to make up than most, imo.

 

[meto]

Late pick Richards? Looks agile and balanced for a 194cm player and also pretty quick.
Very impreesive video, I think he's got more natural than Ted and obviously would have tremendous motivation seeing his brother make the grade at Sydney.
Lots of upside for a later pick?

 

[CatTricks]

Would be happy with this...

32. Boseley
34. Blee
48. Richards
65. Crisp
70. Darrou
73. Bews

 

[krisholio14]

Late pick Richards? Looks agile and balanced for a 194cm player and also pretty quick.
Very impreesive video, I think he's got more natural than Ted and obviously would have tremendous motivation seeing his brother make the grade at Sydney.
Lots of upside for a later pick?

I put him up as one of my wants a few weeks back and nothing has changed. Big fan here, would be rapt if we got him.

 

[Vdubs]

Late pick Richards? Looks agile and balanced for a 194cm player and also pretty quick.
Very impreesive video, I think he's got more natural than Ted and obviously would have tremendous motivation seeing his brother make the grade at Sydney.
Lots of upside for a later pick?

Soundslike a description of Tom Gillies when he was picked.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Personally, I would be happy with any 2 of Boseley, Talia, Lockyer, Murdoch, Forster, Paine, Kerridge and Grigg with picks 32 and 34. I would preferably prefer to take at least one tall (I include Lockyer in this category) with these picks but if the rated ones are gone (doubt they all will be) then taking another 2 mid sized players wouldn't phase me.

I will be intrigued as to where Schade gets drafted. If we do go small with our first 2 picks then I would hope that he would be around for pick 48. I don't know whether he is worthy of picks 32 or 34? Can he take a contested mark? I'm always a little nervous taking players outside of Vic/SA/WA. Does the quality of players Schade has been exposed to measure up?

It's hard to have a strong feel for our picks from 48 on. You just have no idea who will be left at this stage of the draft. If we are to believe most of the phantoms that are around then the likes of Tynan, Dobosz, Bussey, Crisp, Sheehan, Roberts and Richards may be looked at.

Would agree with that wants list for sure. Would be rapt if we got Talia (I'd never really accounted for the possibility he'd slide that far) or Lockyer or Boseley plus any of the ohers you listed at 34.

I'm glad to see that from when I first plugged Schade as a good option a few weeks ago, that some are starting to agree. He's very raw, but he's got some very good attributed, although I think Blee may well be one of our first preferences at 48.

48 onward is very hard to predict, be very interesting to see whether we look to fill needs at the back end or not.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

For anyone who's interested, here's a link to an interview with Emma Quayle on the D&T board
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=891317

Some of the interesting things I took out of it were:
-Glad to see someone in the know rates Schade. Lockyer and Talia also rated by Emma. Kelly is a good left field one as I rate him too, and the sort of guy you could get late or as a rookie.

-Downie is going to go second roundish and his combine has helped him. He looks good but it's a very limited sample size, and as such I'd be uncomfortable taking him early, or a ruck in general.

-Emma thinks the KPP's this year all have potential but most have flaws and could make it or fail. I thought her comment about how well they are developed was telling as a positive, given how good we know our development program is. Still, choosing the right talls will be crucial.

-She doesn't think all the good talls will go early so we'll have options in the 30's, it just depends which way we go.

-Mature age choices are hard to pick, few whispers on who and where

-Stop rating Murdoch Emma, I wanted him at 78 shhhhh!

 

[meto]

I put him up as one of my wants a few weeks back and nothing has changed. Big fan here, would be rapt if we got him.

Thanks Krish, and I know you did, could be a bargain, reminds me of the Smedts video the other year, his change of direction for his height.

And my other late pick is Darrou, 190cm can play centrally as well as down back, already 93kg, real solid hard type for Sandy and the State, Ling or Dasher cover?? Like to see him under Maxy's wing.
Reminds me of Lockyer a bit, but could be more versitile, plays alot around the middle in his video package.

PO mentioned Jordan Murdoch, seems to be a forward to me, but, big talent, also in that 190cm range.
May go earlier, that's if you want a forward?

 

[krisholio14]

Thanks Krish, and I know you did, could be a bargain, reminds me of the Smedts video the other year, his change of direction for his height.

And my other late pick is Darrou, 190cm can play centrally as well as down back, already 93kg, real solid hard type for Sandy and the State, Ling or Dasher cover?? Like to see him under Maxy's wing.
Reminds me of Lockyer a bit, but could be more versitile, plays alot around the middle in his video package.

PO mentioned Jordan Murdoch, seems to be a forward to me, but, big talent, also in that 190cm range.
May go earlier, that's if you want a forward?

I'm going to laff if each of us gets our man

 

[year of the cat]

Emma Quayle is on SEN from 10.00am. I am not free to listen so if anyone is free it would be interesting to hear if she links us to any particular players.

 

[Lager]

Emma Quayle is on SEN from 10.00am. I am not free to listen so if anyone is free it would be interesting to hear if she links us to any particular players.

Emma's only real mention of Geelong was in reference to Nathan Ablett. She thinks it's a no go, but didn't go into it too much.

 

[Reg Hickey]

Would agree with that wants list for sure. Would be rapt if we got Talia (I'd never really accounted for the possibility he'd slide that far) or Lockyer or Boseley plus any of the ohers you listed at 34.

Jay Clark thinks Talia is a chance to be there for us:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-stop-is-geelong/story-fnau1fjg-1226201729376

 

[magicmarker]

Would agree with that wants list for sure. Would be rapt if we got Talia (I'd never really accounted for the possibility he'd slide that far) or Lockyer or Boseley plus any of the ohers you listed at 34.

I'm glad to see that from when I first plugged Schade as a good option a few weeks ago, that some are starting to agree. He's very raw, but he's got some very good attributed, although I think Blee may well be one of our first preferences at 48.

48 onward is very hard to predict, be very interesting to see whether we look to fill needs at the back end or not.

Its interesting we are being linked with Talia all of a sudden - I had pretty much discounted the possibility of him falling that far. Would be very happy with Talia - especially with him being a Scarlett fan and all...

A little curious that there seems to be a lot of love for Clay Smith out there amongst the "experts", certainly a lot more than the Bigfooty tipsters. Now linked as high as pick 15!

 

[thejester]

The tl;dr of that article is, 'Talia is not one of the handful of players you can basically pencil in before draft day':

Talia - should he not be taken by the Western Bulldogs, West Coast, or Adelaide - is on the Cats' radar, along with another full-back, Geelong Falcons' Andrew Boseley...Talia, who has also had lengthy talks with Hawthorn (pick No.33 and 38) and Melbourne (36) last week, also likes to get busy on the counter-attack.

So in other words if some clubs don't pick him he'll be available at Geelong's first pick, and even if we don't pick him up there he might still be available providing another couple of teams don't pick him up either. Herald Sun, you've done it again!

I think the basic problem with picking a key position player this year is that they all seem half-baked...obviously going into a draft there's always an element of doubt, but I think it's much greater with this pool of guys. At this stage I'd probably go for Talia early and then sweat on some of the others falling late.

A little curious that there seems to be a lot of love for Clay Smith out there amongst the "experts", certainly a lot more than the Bigfooty tipsters. Now linked as high as pick 15!

I've always liked him but his yo-yoing value (in the public sphere at least) isn't that surprising...180cm inside midfielders who are elite in the stoppages but aren't great kicks aren't sexy, so they don't get talked up.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Its interesting we are being linked with Talia all of a sudden - I had pretty much discounted the possibility of him falling that far. Would be very happy with Talia - especially with him being a Scarlett fan and all...

A little curious that there seems to be a lot of love for Clay Smith out there amongst the "experts", certainly a lot more than the Bigfooty tipsters. Now linked as high as pick 15!

So would I.

I think with Smith the answer is he's very meat and potatoes as jester says, combine that with a ? on kicking and that's why people don't rate him as much in fan world, but recruiters, particularly with the emphasis on winning contested ball thesedays, will love him more. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he's one we look at if he falls through.

The tl;dr of that article is, 'Talia is not one of the handful of players you can basically pencil in before draft day':

Talia - should he not be taken by the Western Bulldogs, West Coast, or Adelaide - is on the Cats' radar, along with another full-back, Geelong Falcons' Andrew Boseley...Talia, who has also had lengthy talks with Hawthorn (pick No.33 and 38) and Melbourne (36) last week, also likes to get busy on the counter-attack.

So in other words if some clubs don't pick him he'll be available at Geelong's first pick, and even if we don't pick him up there he might still be available providing another couple of teams don't pick him up either. Herald Sun, you've done it again!

I think the basic problem with picking a key position player this year is that they all seem half-baked...obviously going into a draft there's always an element of doubt, but I think it's much greater with this pool of guys. At this stage I'd probably go for Talia early and then sweat on some of the others falling late.


I've always liked him but his yo-yoing value (in the public sphere at least) isn't that surprising...180cm inside midfielders who are elite in the stoppages but aren't great kicks aren't sexy, so they don't get talked up.

I do agree with that, but I don't think it should stop you picking up the KPPS altogether, you just need to pick the ones that either a) you think your development program can fix or b) type of deficiences that even if you can't dramatically improve on, won't be terminal to the player making it.

That's why I like a Talia pick, because there's no real deficiency outside it's kicking, which isn't awful, yes it's a bit substandard, but on everything I've seen this year it's still much better than say Frost's for example. And role is important-if you're an outside mid who's job is to receive and hit the forwards and your kicking is below average, it might be terminal, but if you're a key defender I still think you can have a very good career with kicking issues providing your defensive work and ability to win 1-1 contests is top notch, which Talia's is. Lonergan is a good comparison in that way as he has a similar issue with kicking/decision making but his ability to win the 1-1's and beat his direct opponent is more than good enough for him to be of value, and we put the ball in the hands of the better ball users wherever possible on the way out.

I prefer a Talia with slight kicking issues to taking a key defender who has issues winning the 1-1's for example. It's not likely to be a terminal issue if the rest of his game continues at it's current rate of progression. And he also has an extremely good attitude, which is something we value highly in the kids we recruit.

 

[thejester]

Yeah that's a good point PO. You wouldn't call either Lonergan or Egan excellent kicks, but it wasn't much of an issue. I guess it also depends on what we define as a 'bad kick'. Is it technique or decision making? Both can be improved but - in a defender in particular - I think you'd much rather the former be the weakness and the latter the strength.

 

[vinum coupe]

Are any of these names you guys keep throwing up in any way similar to Isaac Smith?

 

[year of the cat]

Talia would certainly represent the big bodied KPD that we really will require over the next couple of years. His strength in winning contested footy rates highly for me, particularly when you consider that our other young KPD in Gillies is pretty weak in this area from what I have seen.

His public admiration of Scarlett almost makes you wonder whether he is really touting to be drafted by us?! It would certainly do his prospects no harm at all.

When you are picking any player in the 30's in any draft they will have certain deficiencies. Even the mids will. As P_O has said you just have to identify the one/s that you believe your system can develop into AFL standard footy players. Fortunately we have an outstanding record in this regard over the past decade.

It would be a pretty good result to get Talia with 32. Adding him and a Kerridge/Forster/Murdoch/Grigg would be a great result for our club in a premiership year.

Really looking forward to Thursday now.

 

[year of the cat]

Are any of these names you guys keep throwing up in any way similar to Isaac Smith?

Have a look at the vision of Jordan Murdoch on the draft machine on afl.com.au - as close as you can get - fast, nice left foot kick. He needs to be better at winning contested footy but jees he has some pretty handy weapons to work with.

 

[krisholio14]

Yeah that's a good point PO. You wouldn't call either Lonergan or Egan excellent kicks, but it wasn't much of an issue. I guess it also depends on what we define as a 'bad kick'. Is it technique or decision making? Both can be improved but - in a defender in particular - I think you'd much rather the former be the weakness and the latter the strength.

But this is what makes Scarlo such a gun. You can get away with having a couple of so so kicks in your defense when you have a bloke who uses it as well as he does.

 

[SJ]

Not many key position defenders/stoppers are excellent kicks, nor do they have to be.

 

[krisholio14]

Not many key position defenders/stoppers are excellent kicks, nor do they have to be.

I don't think it's a coincidence that two of our three KPD's are excellent kicks.

 

[vinum coupe]

Have a look at the vision of Jordan Murdoch on the draft machine on afl.com.au - as close as you can get - fast, nice left foot kick. He needs to be better at winning contested footy but jees he has some pretty handy weapons to work with.

Looks ok. Not a big kick. But gee he looked bigger than 189 in those clips.
Where are they suggesting he will go?

Pick 50 or so?