List Mgmt. 2012 free agency and trade period - rumour, speculation and discussion

[Turbocat]

If we miss out on Caddy, I suspect we'll still try to get something good for our compo pick. However I doubt we'll trade it for a single first round pick because if thats was an option I reckon we would've activated it for this draft at the start of the year. Perhaps we'll trade into the mini-draft? Unlikely I reckon as we seem to be after a little more experience in the shorter term. I think trading it to GWS for 2 early 20s picks could be a possibility. Pick 24 then onto NM for HMac and Norths second rounder. Pick 15 on Vlastuin (spelling), pick 20 on TMenzel. I think we'll want to milk the compo for all its worth.
A little poetic maybe.
Although while I'm at it we could then trade 36 and 37 onto a club for another pick in the late teens/early 20s... maybe.

Over all not bad. Still a little irksome trading anything of the comp to North , would prefer a long term gain from the Ablett loss.But Valstuin , Menzel2 would be good additions.
Id still consider looking at other options as well , if we can on trade a Rookie into another kid..do it. ie Jacobs for Stringer and pick

 

[Lager]

Still a little irksome trading anything of the comp to North

I agree with where you're coming from, but at the end of the day it's just business and we can't hold a grudge over that.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Tippett situation highlighting the farcical salary cap concessions Sydney have always had. Glad they took Hawthorn's flag, but 2 flags is enough (just as Brisbane's 3 were)

 

[David the Cat]

Over all not bad. Still a little irksome trading anything of the comp to North , would prefer a long term gain from the Ablett loss.But Valstuin , Menzel2 would be good additions.
Id still consider looking at other options as well , if we can on trade a Rookie into another kid..do it. ie Jacobs for Stringer and pick

Like the first point.

Didnt know Jacobs was on the table, and yes would like him but cant see it.....or Giles ( cant understand why we havent been chasing him>???) ....Giles would be great for us, and long term a better option than Hmac.

As for Stringer....the sooner we upgrade him the better.

 

[thegerman]

I'm not too worried about it. I think Simpkin and Sherringham will go and I don't think they'll be any great loss. Certainly I'd have Corey as a much better player even still. I also think 1 of maybe both Stringer and Walker will be upgraded.

Agree with this, I actually think both will be upgraded and we will have to make some hard list decisions with others in sign and trade deals for draft picks that
we just won't use.

We need three spots for AFL draft. So Wojak, Hogan, Scarlett can be used towards that. With this being a bumper draft, perhaps another maybe used.
So, that leaves Byrnes spot to be filled.

Whether we have more on the list that we are ready to move on (Gillies is most likely the option), then I cannot see how we can shove more players onto the list
as the papers have been saying. We would definitely have to move more players in a trade to make anything work.

 

[FredLeDeux]

We'll know more in 48 hours after the Caddy, Rivers and HMac deals officially fall over - that's when we'll start to hear about the ones Wells & Co have really been after all the time.

 

[CatsBack2Back]

If Caddy signs with North as being reported on the AFL twitter page, it means another mid that has turned down an opportunity to come down to the Cats after Danger and Boak.
I wander if we will look at any of the FA like Moloney or C.Young, look at what other clubs have to offer or just head to the draft.
What are people's thought on someone like M.Sewell, S.Valenti, B.Ross or other players running around in the state leagues?

 

[thegerman]

Maloney no. Burned bridges I believe.

 

[Megaman123]

If Caddy signs with North as being reported on the AFL twitter page, it means another mid that has turned down an opportunity to come down to the Cats after Danger and Boak.
I wander if we will look at any of the FA like Moloney or C.Young, look at what other clubs have to offer or just head to the draft.
What are people's thought on someone like M.Sewell, S.Valenti, B.Ross or other players running around in the state leagues?

Sewell, Valenti and Ross offer little more than Simpkin, Stringer and Sherringham. Unless we are bringing in a player who is going to be a walk up midfield started, we have enough of our own options like these guys.

 

[Turbocat]

If Caddy signs with North as being reported on the AFL twitter page, it means another mid that has turned down an opportunity to come down to the Cats after Danger and Boak.
I wander if we will look at any of the FA like Moloney or C.Young, look at what other clubs have to offer or just head to the draft.
What are people's thought on someone like M.Sewell, S.Valenti, B.Ross or other players running around in the state leagues?

Previously they would have had more interest. I doubt any would be a better option than our Rookies.

If no Caddy: - go with our Rookies or look at other bring-in options either FA or trade. Salopek etc hardly set the heart a racing but they may do a task for us. Or we can look at serous long term replacements like Gysberts or Stevens or Jacobs. Ok not gleaming with gold braid as some other but we have won Premierships with that type of player.

 

[CatsBack2Back]

What about B.Dalziel at the eagles had a couple of good seasons at Brisbane and hasn't been seen at West coast.

 

[i_need_a_pencil]

900k altogether for Caddy over 3 years is overs IMO, if that is the case. They can have him for that, don't care.

I know we are crying out for someone to come in to help Selwood... but I reckon Christensen is just as likely as Caddy to do that and can improve some more. If he and Horlin-Smith can step up then boom, problem almost solved without paying overs (which is what we would do to get Caddy here). Not to mention improvement from Duncan and perhaps Bartel. Investing midfield time and development into our youngsters is just as likely to help Selwood out than getting an outsider honestly.

 

[sarah.13]

What about Maverick Weller from the Suns , he's a tough inside /outside mid looking to move on .??

 

[Pivo]

What about Maverick Weller from the Suns , he's a tough inside /outside mid looking to move on .??

I like Weller but I'm having trouble seeing Gold Coast letting him walk out the door.

Still, it is the silly season.

 

[sarah.13]

I like Weller but I'm having trouble seeing Gold Coast letting him walk out the door.

Still, it is the silly season.

Apparently 5 clubs are looking at him as he is out of contract according to Afl.com
He's a tough cookie, long kick we could/should have a look if we miss Caddy.

 

[Turbocat]

Why not forget this years draft as it seems most of the guys who'd be ideal we won't get now anyways, Schroder, Guthrie, Stringer, Horlin-Smith, they could grab the chance with both hands end up performing as well as a top 10 pick anyways.
I know the pressure on Selwood & Kelly will again be magnified as Corey is fading away but we also regain Varcoe and he could certainly make the transition to midfield as he was going to do before getting injured.

I agree with a fair bit of this , well at least worth consideration. Caddy wouldn't have been a Boak anyway, he wouldn't have been that instant reliable help. I still think we can look at Jacobs , Gysberts etc but Im happy to let it all play out. We are not that desperate. If the worst that happens is we
do little but elevate who we like and pick kids , then so be it.

may as well obtain top draft picks and keep them for next years draft

Not sure what this means. Comp picks?

 

[Willo_]

Despite other talk on Twitter Emma Quayle is still leaning towards the cats... From her tweets Caddy hasn't picked one over the others yet and her 'gut feel is Caddy will be a Cat'

Lets hope she is feeling right!!

 

[Megaman123]

sorry I meant our comp picks could be kept and we could even try and gain another high pick by dealing with a team like St Kilda who could do with a Burbury or Simpkin type whereas at Geelong, they may not get the opportunities presented to them given the development needed for the young mids.
We need to cut 2-3 anyways but I doubt even a player of Burbury's potential would warrant a pick of quality anyways.

We only have one compo pick. You confuse me. You say keep our picks for next year, and then say we should try gain a high pick for this year?

 

[onlymagic]

If Caddy is in fact no longer available (hopefully we are still a chance), then I wouldn't be against getting involved with a GWS Richmond three way deal involving Tyson, maybe something like:
Our compo pick + one of our rookies (stringer?) + Richmond's second rounder -------> GWS
Dom Tyson --------> Richmond
Richmond's pick 9 + GWS's second rounder --------> Geelong

The bonus GWS second rounder to us is more wishful thinking than anything but it would be more than handy.
We would then end up with picks 9,15,24,36 (not taking into consideration free agency compo's and anything we end up trading out) in an apparently fairly strong draft.
In saying all of that I am probably still leaning towards Caddy if he is still in fact available.

 

[Megaman123]

If Caddy is in fact no longer available (hopefully we are still a chance), then I wouldn't be against getting involved with a GWS Richmond three way deal involving Tyson, maybe something like:
Our compo pick + one of our rookies (stringer?) + Richmond's second rounder -------> GWS
Dom Tyson --------> Richmond
Richmond's pick 9 + GWS's second rounder --------> Geelong

The bonus GWS second rounder to us is more wishful thinking than anything but it would be more than handy.
We would then end up with picks 9,15,24,36 (not taking into consideration free agency compo's and anything we end up trading out) in an apparently fairly strong draft.
In saying all of that I am probably still leaning towards Caddy if he is still in fact available.

If Dom Tyson is available, Id rather us try deal direct with GWS and see if we couldnt land him. Ive said before the compo pick plus Simpson would be a deal Id like to see, especially if Giles leaves and we get HMac. Tyson will be a gun, no point us helping Richmond add to their already potent midfield!

 

[onlymagic]

If Dom Tyson is available, Id rather us try deal direct with GWS and see if we couldnt land him. Ive said before the compo pick plus Simpson would be a deal Id like to see, especially if Giles leaves and we get HMac. Tyson will be a gun, no point us helping Richmond add to their already potent midfield!

As simple as it sounds I didn't even think of that. Just had a look at his player profile, he is a perfect fit for us:
'Dom is good decision-maker who excels at clearances and winning the contested ball. He has the ability to dispose of the ball even when under pressure or being tackled using his left foot and excellent hands.' taken from the GWS web site.
If the Caddy saga falls through we should definitely inquire about Tyson.

 

[Megaman123]

As simple as it sounds I didn't even think of that. Just had a look at his player profile, he is a perfect fit for us:
'Dom is good decision-maker who excels at clearances and winning the contested ball. He has the ability to dispose of the ball even when under pressure or being tackled using his left foot and excellent hands.' taken from the GWS web site.
If the Caddy saga falls through we should definitely inquire about Tyson.

Main issue is he is a year younger than Caddy and would take a little time to fully develop. (As would Caddy I guess) He was pick 3 in the draft last year and GWS will want to give a strong front to stop future stars being poached without a fight. Compo and Simpson would be a fair deal, I feel GWS would ask for a whole lot more than this though (Compo + 1st rounder maybe.)

 

[onlymagic]

Main issue is he is a year younger than Caddy and would take a little time to fully develop. (As would Caddy I guess) He was pick 3 in the draft last year and GWS will want to give a strong front to stop future stars being poached without a fight. Compo and Simpson would be a fair deal, I feel GWS would ask for a whole lot more than this though (Compo + 1st rounder maybe.)

Compo and Simpson I would probably do, albeit reluctantly, provided we could get macintosh from the roos as a #1 ruck. The compo plus our first rounder would really depend on how Wells rates Tyson and this years crop of draftees, but personally I would be very hesitant of trading ourselves out of this years first round. I do agree that this is probably what GWS would ask for though as they don't want to be seen as pushovers at the trade table. As far as development goes it would be hard to know how consistent these guys would be next year but I would back our development program to get the best out of either Caddy or Tyson.

 

[Turbocat]

Honestly , attempting to get Tyson would set us up for another miss.

 

[year of the cat]

Tyson is not going anywhere now. Was reported a couple of days ago. Waste of time even thinking about it.