Mega Thread 2012 List Management - Drafts, Trading & Free Agency (Official/Reported ONLY)

[Essendonia]

This free agency lark reminds me of a new boom thing that happens from time to time in the tech world.. whenever there is a new thing, (like phone apps, the internet ect) whoever gets in first usually propsers until every other snail gets on at which point it becomes normal again.

the first people to get online and register all the domain names - rich
the first people to start making apps - rich

these bubbles burst pretty quickly, but they fly for a little while

now we have free agency.... who will jump in first and make a mint on it before everyone else is ready?

Looks like we are angling to jump in pretty hard pretty early, if we could snaffle a JD/goddard/maloney/caddy combo in one pre-season it would be the biggest coup ever and make our list premiership ready...

reaks a bit of Nth in the 70's who jumped on that new rule and won the flags before anyone else really caught on.

early bird gets the worm!

while those other suckers are still playing finals football we are in the back rooms working the deals... muhahaha.

after years of wanting a big fish and being dissapointed is this our year? (hopes not up)

i know its only likley that we get one of these done but... por que no los dos?

Agree that now is the time to be brazen, creative and opportunistic. Particularly given the status of our cap, list and prospects, we could set ourselves up nicely for the next five to eight years.

 

[Slattery_20]

I think you'd find Monfries would be on significantly more that $250k. Was the financial beneficiary of our hopelessness through the late 2000's. Between Monfries, McVeigh and Prismall, i'd be shocked if there wasn't $1 - $1.3m freed up.

As a veteran, half of McVeigh's 2012 contract would've been outside the cap

 

[carnthedons]

I think you'd find Monfries would be on significantly more that $250k. Was the financial beneficiary of our hopelessness through the late 2000's. Between Monfries, McVeigh and Prismall, i'd be shocked if there wasn't $1 - $1.3m freed up.

That's true but I'd suggest that a few of our guys got healthy increases this year. Hurley, Ryder, Stanton, Howlett etc would all be on more than they had been previously

 

[thebigboy]

So just to clarify, you'd trade David Myers for a first round selection, then add in our second round pick just to secure Josh Caddy???

No way would we do that! That would just be a horrible trade.

 

[TheDon35]

As a veteran, half of McVeigh's 2012 contract would've been outside the cap

Ok, wasn't sure of that. Thought there was only 1 veteran with the 50% concession allowed per club but I guess not. Would still be pushing $900k IMO.

I struggle to see how else with the list we've had over the last couple of years we'd get anywhere near the 92.5% minimum cap. Fletcher Veteran, Watson would / should be getting the most. That leaves Stanton, Ryder, Hille (veteran?), Winderlich maybe Dempsey who could possibly be earning big bucks. All of those players for various reasons as of the end of last year and maybe the year before have a very limited case to warrant massive pay packets. Cap space should not be an issue for us and if it is then it's been mis-managed.

 

[TheDon35]

That's true but I'd suggest that a few of our guys got healthy increases this year. Hurley, Ryder, Stanton, Howlett etc would all be on more than they had been previously

Hurley and Ryder clearly have upped their pay and deservedly so. Without knowing what he's on, Stanton's year certainly doesn't warrant more money. Howlett has improved out of sight but is hardly going to cost you the world to retain.

Doesn't matter how it's skinned, when you compare our list and it's output to the like of Geelong, Collingwood, Hawthorn, etc, if we don't have cap space to anti up for a big gun, the finances have been mis-managed. Which I don't think they have.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Hurley and Ryder clearly have upped their pay and deservedly so. Without knowing what he's on, Stanton's year certainly doesn't warrant more money. Howlett has improved out of sight but is hardly going to cost you the world to retain.

Doesn't matter how it's skinned, when you compare our list and it's output to the like of Geelong, Collingwood, Hawthorn, etc, if we don't have cap space to anti up for a big gun, the finances have been mis-managed. Which I don't think they have.

This is the major problem at the moment, you have to pay 95% of the salary cap. Which means Melbourne’s, Essendon’s and Hawthorn’s lists are earning largely the same amount of coin.

And Stanton just turned 26, had a career best season and signed a new contract. Pretty sure that equals pay rise, and deservedly so.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

This is the major problem at the moment, you have to pay 95% of the salary cap. Which means Melbourne’s, Essendon’s and Hawthorn’s lists are earning largely the same amount of coin.

We happen to have a slew of people coming out of contract.

Convenient.

 

[TheDon35]

We happen to have a slew of people coming out of contract.

Convenient.

Shouldn't matter. Individually they still don't have anywhere near the runs on the board that other lists do.

 

[TheDon35]

This is the major problem at the moment, you have to pay 95% of the salary cap. Which means Melbourne’s, Essendon’s and Hawthorn’s lists are earning largely the same amount of coin.

And Stanton just turned 26, had a career best season and signed a new contract. Pretty sure that equals pay rise, and deservedly so.

Correct. But Melbourne could still afford to offer Mitch Clark $800k pa and apparantly have the room to do it for someone else next year. No logical reason that Essendon wouldn't be in a position to do the same.

Stanton had a career best start to the season then was ordinary. Had he of kept up the form of those 4 x outstanding games i'd agree. I also think he'd fall into the Monfries catagory as someone who was being payed overs over the past few years based on our lack of quality.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Shouldn't matter. Individually they still don't have anywhere near the runs on the board that other lists do.

Every club has to pay 95% of the salary cap (pretty sure it’s 95%).

 

[TheDon35]

Every club has to pay 95% of the salary cap (pretty sure it’s 95%).

I know it was 92.5% a few years ago. Not sure what it is today. It's beside the point. Given the runs our blokes have got on the board, there is no logical reason as to why we wouldn't be in a position to offer big money to the right person if the club decided the player would add the appropriate value.

 

[Slattery_20]

We happen to have a slew of people coming out of contract.

Convenient.

Exactly!

Who actually cares who has & hasn't been over-paid over the journey. That's (mostly) in the past.

This year we've a very very good opportunity to clear away a good percentage of that cap, and use it on something genuinely worthwhile.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Correct. But Melbourne could still afford to offer Mitch Clark $800k pa and apparantly have the room to do it for someone else next year. No logical reason that Essendon wouldn't be in a position to do the same.

Stanton had a career best start to the season then was ordinary. Had he of kept up the form of those 4 x outstanding games i'd agree. I also think he'd fall into the Monfries catagory as someone who was being payed overs over the past few years based on our lack of quality.

Things change year to year, there’s plenty of list changes. If we wanted to offer someone huge coin next year we could, we’d find a way. But you can’t really compare clubs lists in any given year based on the quality of players and say they’re getting paid way more or less as a whole; no doubt some would be overpaid at the poorer performing clubs. Also, many blokes at top clubs are underpaid, some significantly.

If we want to offer Goddard that sort of coin we could... would be a hideous rip-off imo, but we could do it and maybe we already have.

Disagree on Stanton, he’d def have got a pay rise imo.

 

[BrunoV]

The post by yoda. Not sure if i'm reading it correct

No I think you are...talk about getting Caddy for the sake of it.

On what I've seen you'd be hard pressed to say that Caddy and Myers will be separated more than a bees dick by the time their respective careers end. I understand the risk associated with Myers' body but if we could get a first round pick for Myers wouldn't it validate the idea that he is that good anyway?

They talk about us overrating our players. The issue seems to be that we overrate anyone that doesn't play in red and black.

 

[Slattery_20]

So what sort of value "would" be right, for Goddard?
$500k? 6? 7?

IMHO he's in the best 15 or 20 players in the league when playing well, and at his age should have 3 years of peak football left, and probably another 2 worthwhile seasons.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I wouldn’t go over $550k for Goddard.

That said, I realise my opinion of him differs wildly from most people’s. IMO he’s been average – good for 2 years now, and is turning 29 next year (not gonna get better). I don’t even rate him in St Kilda’s best 5 at the moment.

He has showed brilliance, but it was 2 years ago, and lasted for 2 seasons of his 10 in the league.

But I get that no-one agrees!

 

[Slattery_20]

No I think you are...talk about getting Caddy for the sake of it.

On what I've seen you'd be hard pressed to say that Caddy and Myers will be separated more than a bees dick by the time their respective careers end. I understand the risk associated with Myers' body but if we could get a first round pick for Myers wouldn't it validate the idea that he is that good anyway?

They talk about us overrating our players. The issue seems to be that we overrate anyone that doesn't play in red and black.

There's a fair bit of that, as well.

A lot of people are happier with a shit-truck trade than a good draftee, just so the club's seen to be active.

 

[Essendonia]

I wouldn’t go over $550k for Goddard.

That said, I realise my opinion of him differs wildly from most people’s. IMO he’s been average – good for 2 years now, and is turning 29 next year (not gonna get better). I don’t even rate him in St Kilda’s best 5 at the moment.

He has showed brilliance, but it was 2 years ago, and lasted for 2 seasons of his 10 in the league.

But I get that no-one agrees!

I think you're right, though. Where did he finish in Saints B & F for 2012?

EDIT: Being held tomorrow night.

 

[Slattery_20]

I wouldn’t go over $550k for Goddard.

That said, I realise my opinion of him differs wildly from most people’s. IMO he’s been average – good for 2 years now, and is turning 29 next year (not gonna get better). I don’t even rate him in St Kilda’s best 5 at the moment.

He has showed brilliance, but it was 2 years ago, and lasted for 2 seasons of his 10 in the league.

But I get that no-one agrees!

28.
But, yeah.

 

[be a hero kid]

I wouldn’t go over $550k for Goddard.

That said, I realise my opinion of him differs wildly from most people’s. IMO he’s been average – good for 2 years now, and is turning 29 next year (not gonna get better). I don’t even rate him in St Kilda’s best 5 at the moment.

He has showed brilliance, but it was 2 years ago, and lasted for 2 seasons of his 10 in the league.

But I get that no-one agrees!

http://www.saints.com.au/tabid/8471/Default.aspx?playerid=14481
Date of birth 20th May 1985. (turned 27 this year)

 

[bombered]

Hird on Goddard and caddy

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-...-brendon-goddard/story-e6frf9jf-1226471808942

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I just can’t cop it when people talk about him as elite and amongst the best... borderline top 50 imo. 2 seasons doesn’t make that. The very best in the league have been doing it their whole careers.

Take away that GF (and more specifically, that mark) and people would rate him about half as much as they do now I reckon.

If we’re that taken with that stuff, then we should go after Xavier Ellis – not on 700 hundred thousand ****in dollars though!

 

[Tommy08]

can't see us landing Caddy unfortunately

 

[BrunoV]

http://www.saints.com.au/tabid/8471/Default.aspx?playerid=14481
Date of birth 20th May 1985. (turned 27 this year)

He makes so much more money than I do