2012 Predictions

[Quinz]

The bolded young players havent shown that much, not saying they wont
and the middle aged bolded arent anything special

Rosa is the best player in that list after LeCras. Very underrated player, was top 3 in our b&f halfway through the season, and then got injured before the finals. Strijk, Hams, Dalziell, Hill haven't shown much yet, and I don't hold much hope for Triple D, he will be delisted next year I think.

Morabito is a winger, he isn't a KPF & he is a bigger talent than Darling.

Gaff isn't better than Hill, when Gaff starts to get the #1 tag at WC & handles it, you can say he is better, right now, no. He is nothing more than a sub player right now, not even a bonafide lock in their best 21.

WC supporters in this thread are just plain embarrassing. You had absolutely bugger all injuries in 2011 & you rely on the likes of Cox, Glass & co who are close to the end.

Darling is a third tall rather than a KPF, can also move into the middle but doesn't have the explosiveness of Mora.

Gaff is a lot more than a sub player, and an absolute lock in the 21 now- started the last 11 games when we had most of the squad available and was very impressive. Was used as the sub in the first half of the season to ease him into AFL, think that was good management by the club.

Hill hasn't been able to handle a tag yet, wouldn't be surprised if Gaff was the same if taggers went his way. But Hill also struggled with shin splints (?) in the pre-season, was on the back foot from early Feb, think he'll show his class next season. Just needs to work harder when things aren't going his way.

 

[TheOldXav]

Morabito's not a KPF omg i didn't realise that i was making a point. do i need to start a poll gaff and darling vs Morabito and hill who would you take? Trust me Gaff and Darling would win that one easily so therefore toss off

I don't really care for a poll, it proves nothing.

Many sides in 2011 identified Hill as Fremantle's most dangerous player by putting a hard tag on him by placing their best lockdown player on him. At Collingwood, I would say Hill would be a lock for a position on the wing, just think of the damage he could do without a tag, has pace to burn & is a beautiful finisher.

Gaff would be battling against the likes of Sidebottom, Beams & co for a position in the side, I'm not sure he would get a gig there as opposed to Hill who would be a first 18 player without question.

 

[vivien]

1 Hawthorn - Roughead back will be huge. 2008 was unexpected, this is the time they were meant to peak.
2 Collingwood - Tough draw, but still too even and have too deep a list
3 Geelong - Lots of good kids to fill the void, amazing off-field culture
4 Sydney - Always a surprise top 4, 2nd year for horse, good kids, culture of success
5 Carlton - Don't see them continuing to evolve and improve, still too many gaps to be a challenger, lack the evenness and depth of teams above
6 North Melbourne - Lost lost of close ones last year, good draw, need kpp kids to stand up though
7 West Coast - Consolidation year, had a good run last year, Woosha is a gun
8 St Kilda - Can't write off a team with Riewoldt, Dal Santo, Hayes, Fisher. Not much underneath though. A desperately needed new voice, more freedom.

9 Freo - Don't believe Lyon is the saviour everyone thinks he is, should have won a flag at the saints, no guarantees Sandilands will be over his injuries
10 Essendon - Could finish anywhere between 6th and here, will be a good side, iffy draw
11 Richmond - like their list more than Essendon's, North's and Melb's. Vickery to be a star by season's end. Very impressed by Hardwick as a coach
12 Adelaide - Strong club, like st kilda will relish greater freedom under a less draconian coach
13 Melbourne - Year of turmoil cant be forgotten so quickly, new coach, weak culture
14 Brisbane Lions - Very good midfield coming through, voss starting to earn his stripes
15 Gold Coast - Scarily good kids. We forget they had just a couple of months to train before season 2011, will be much better for a second pre-season together. Will have some decent wins
16 Western Bulldogs - Missed their shot, too old, injury prone a-graders, new coach, tough draw
17 Port Adelaide - GC and GWS are over-shadowing how terrible this side is, worst established side since Fitzroy 96
18 Greater Western Sydney - Will beat Port once, less experience than GC this year. There will be blood

Great ladder!!

 

[elscanner]

1. Carlton
2. Geelong
3. Collingwood
4. Hawthorn
5. Sydney
6. West Coast
7. Fremantle
8. Adelaide
9. North Melbourne
10. Melbourne
11. Brisbane
12. St. Kilda
13. Richmond
14. Essendon
15. Gold Coast
16. Western Bulldogs
17. GWS
18. Port Adelaide


NAB CUP - Hawthorn
Brownlow - S. Mitchell
Coleman - L Franklin
Premiers - Geelong
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[Obeanie1]

Morabito is a winger, he isn't a KPF & he is a bigger talent than Darling.

Gaff isn't better than Hill, when Gaff starts to get the #1 tag at WC & handles it, you can say he is better, right now, no. He is nothing more than a sub player right now, not even a bonafide lock in their best 21.

WC supporters in this thread are just plain embarrassing. You had absolutely bugger all injuries in 2011 & you rely on the likes of Cox, Glass & co who are close to the end.

Morabito played one season and then did his knee but according to you he's better than Darling. Interesting.

Gaff (first year player) isnt better than Hill (third year player), wow, you are on a roll here. At least Gaff has shown he has a heart bigger than a pea.

Cox 30 close to the end? He's had 2009 off, played a bit in 2010 and had a ripper 2011. I'd suggest Jolly is closer to the end than Cox and Cox has a gun backup in Naitanui and Lycett building nicely to help the load.

Glass also had 2010 off and came back pretty well. MacKenzie is groomed as his replacement with Schofield as backup.

If anyone is embarrasing on here its you with this post. Its like Joffa's interview before that final you flogged us by 12 points;

"I don't really know much about these Eagles mob but they don't have as many good players as us"

2012 prediction- out of Geelong, Pies, Hawks, Eagles, Carlton and maybe Freo the teams with least injuries will finish top 4. Norths with their soft draw are the dark horse.

 

[liz]

Let's be serious, as it stands there is Geelong and Collingwood closely followed by Hawthorn. Then there is West Coast and Carlton, followed quite futher behind by the chasing pack. The 2012 will come from this group, no doubt. It is just a question of how much teams from this group improve and drop off. The only team close to them is St Kilda, but they are really the unknown of 2012.

All you've done is pretty much list the 2011 top 5. At the end of 2010, West Coast had just won the wooden spoon, the Hawks had just snuck into the finals and were bundled out easily in the first round, while the Cats were looking old and tired and were about to lose their best player.

Fine to predict the top half of the 2012 ladder will mirror 2011 but dangerous to claim there is no doubt that it will.

 

[Obeanie1]

1. Carlton
2. Geelong
3. Collingwood
4. Hawthorn
5. Sydney
6. West Coast
7. Fremantle
8. Adelaide
9. North Melbourne
10. Melbourne
11. Brisbane
12. St. Kilda
13. Richmond
14. Essendon
15. Gold Coast
16. Western Bulldogs
17. GWS
18. Port Adelaide


NAB CUP - Hawthorn
Brownlow - S. Mitchell
Coleman - L Franklin
Premiers - Geelong
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Sydney won't finish top four until it sorts out its KP stocks, go look at Emma Quayde's list assessment.

Forwards - Jessie White, Ried, is it Walsh the ex Saint Irish guy plus Goodes rotating through.

Down back LRT, Grundy, Everitt??, Spangher

Apart from an aging Goodes who has kicking issues no one here leaps off the page as match winners like a T Cloke, Franklin or even a Hawkins / J Pod.

 

[00Stinger]

All you've done is pretty much list the 2011 top 5. At the end of 2010, West Coast had just won the wooden spoon, the Hawks had just snuck into the finals and were bundled out easily in the first round, while the Cats were looking old and tired and were about to lose their best player.

Fine to predict the top half of the 2012 ladder will mirror 2011 but dangerous to claim there is no doubt that it will.

Sorry should have made it clearer. What I meant was that the top 5 might not be these 5 teams, but the 2012 premiership team will come from this group of teams

 

[AG]

Sydney won't finish top four until it sorts out its KP stocks, go look at Emma Quayde's list assessment.

Forwards - Jessie White, Ried, is it Walsh the ex Saint Irish guy plus Goodes rotating through.

Down back LRT, Grundy, Everitt??, Spangher

Apart from an aging Goodes who has kicking issues no one here leaps off the page as match winners like a T Cloke, Franklin or even a Hawkins / J Pod.

Agree about our forward line. Reid is still only potentially a match winner at this stage.

Defence is fine though, has normally been the strength of the Swans for the past decade. So unless both LRT/Richards completely nose dive next season we should be fine again.

 

[TheOldXav]

Morabito played one season and then did his knee but according to you he's better than Darling. Interesting

My quote

Morabito is a winger, he isn't a KPF & he is a bigger talent than Darling

Your comprehension skills are quite poor. As for Morabito, Mick Malthouse was interviewed earlier in the year & asked to comment on which youngster he would take around the AFL. He said Morabito as he is the closest player to a young Peter Matera that he has seen.

You don't need more seasons to judge whether 1 player has the more talent, which I said.

 

[Slattery_20]

Morabito played one season and then did his knee but according to you he's better than Darling. Interesting.

As opposed to Darling, who's played how many seasons exactly...

Darling's a lot further along than Morabito IMHO.

 

[Pegasaur]

As opposed to Darling, who's played how many seasons exactly...

Darling's a lot further along than Morabito IMHO.

Why is Darling further along than Morabito? Give me reasons.

 

[Pegasaur]

So is hill your KPF now?

NN is better than clarke
Fyfe is marginally better than Shuey
Gaff is better than Hill
Darling is better than morabito(he's the closest thing you have to a young KPF atm)

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=890447
This poll seems to think Fyfe is more than just marginally better.

 

[Obeanie1]

Why is Darling further along than Morabito? Give me reasons.

Well he hasn't had a knee reco has he? (touch wood)

Its unfortunate but the kid has had a set back, chances are 2012 he will make a comeback but lack a bit of confidence, 2013 he will start regaining it and from there we will see.

Even though both are 190cm Darling is a different type of player, bigger and more KP forward and goal kicker,Mora is the big running mid.

Still think Darling had a bigger impact in his first season.
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[Obeanie1]

My quote

Your comprehension skills are quite poor. As for Morabito, Mick Malthouse was interviewed earlier in the year & asked to comment on which youngster he would take around the AFL. He said Morabito as he is the closest player to a young Peter Matera that he has seen.

You don't need more seasons to judge whether 1 player has the more talent, which I said.

Really?

Well my recollection was he'd take Brandon Matera and thought he was the best young player in the AFL ATM.

Feel free to provide a link.

As for you not needing more than 1 season to judge if one player has more talent. So you are basically saying a player shows you everything they have in their first season.

Riiiiiiiiiiight!

If that was the case the Pies were just lucky they didn't delist Dane Swan after his first year then.

 

[keviewiggle]

Not sure if we will be top 4 next year would like to think so but feel we still have a few holes to address particularly in defence.
I would have us finishing between 6th-8th.
1. Collingwood
2. Hawthorn
3. Geelong
4. Carlton
5. Freo
6. Sydney
7. North Melbourne
8. West Coast

With West Coast to slide a bit. Feel a large part of their success has been the improvement of their senior players. If they can continue this form they will be top 4 but not sure if i can see it happening.
A fully fit Freo side to jump into 5th but won't be much of a threat imo their list has been hugely overrated here on bigfooty and in the media.

BaH! Senior players? What about breakout seasons for McKenzie, Smith, Gaff , Darling, Natanui, Scott Selwood,Shuey, Kennedy, Schoefield etc
Loads of improvement still in these guys.

 

[johnno77]

2012 Ladder

Barring major injuries to any club (a given but which clubs??)

Collingwood
Carlton
Hawthorn
Fremantle
Geelong
West Coast
Essendon
Richmond
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North Melb
Bulldogs
Melbourne
Adelaide
StKilda
Gold Coast
Brisbane
Port
GWS

Brownlow: Cotchin
Richmond 8th: Optimistic

 

[tacopavlich]

Morabito's not a KPF omg i didn't realise that i was making a point. do i need to start a poll gaff and darling vs Morabito and hill who would you take? Trust me Gaff and Darling would win that one easily so therefore toss off

Darling would be more like Mayne in our side. Both are good players as 3rd tall forward options, which isn't how Mayne has been played unfortunately.

Hill was far better than Gaff in his first season and one of our most damaging players and copping tags which Gaff doesn't.

 

[tacopavlich]

Rosa is the best player in that list after LeCras. Very underrated player, was top 3 in our b&f halfway through the season, and then got injured before the finals. Strijk, Hams, Dalziell, Hill haven't shown much yet, and I don't hold much hope for Triple D, he will be delisted next year I think.


Darling is a third tall rather than a KPF, can also move into the middle but doesn't have the explosiveness of Mora.

Gaff is a lot more than a sub player, and an absolute lock in the 21 now- started the last 11 games when we had most of the squad available and was very impressive. Was used as the sub in the first half of the season to ease him into AFL, think that was good management by the club.

Hill hasn't been able to handle a tag yet, wouldn't be surprised if Gaff was the same if taggers went his way. But Hill also struggled with shin splints (?) in the pre-season, was on the back foot from early Feb, think he'll show his class next season. Just needs to work harder when things aren't going his way.

Good post, agree with this.

 

[cotter101]

2012 Ladder

Barring major injuries to any club (a given but which clubs??)

Collingwood
Carlton
Hawthorn
Fremantle
Geelong
West Coast
Essendon
Richmond
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North Melb
Bulldogs
Melbourne
Adelaide
StKilda
Gold Coast
Brisbane
Port
GWS

Brownlow: Cotchin
Richmond 8th: Optimistic

Cotch for Brownlow optimistic also?

 

[Dangas]

2012 Ladder

Barring major injuries to any club (a given but which clubs??)

Collingwood
Carlton
Hawthorn
Fremantle
Geelong
West Coast
Essendon
Richmond
----------------
North Melb
Bulldogs
Melbourne
Adelaide
StKilda
Gold Coast
Brisbane
Port
GWS

Brownlow: Cotchin
Richmond 8th: Optimistic

Sydney Swans relegated next year?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Quoted for truth

Not really. The fact we could slide isn't a revelation, as it can happen to all.
Glass was excellent but the reason was because Schofield and McKenzie where also. Cox was excellent but so was an injured Naitanui who out gunned him in a plethora of matches. So give me a better example?

If we are going to slide it's going to be because of a lack of upside? brave call.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Sydney won't finish top four until it sorts out its KP stocks, go look at Emma Quayde's list assessment.

Forwards - Jessie White, Ried, is it Walsh the ex Saint Irish guy plus Goodes rotating through.

Down back LRT, Grundy, Everitt??, Spangher

Apart from an aging Goodes who has kicking issues no one here leaps off the page as match winners like a T Cloke, Franklin or even a Hawkins / J Pod.

It would be nice if you knew something about our list before commenting, but your team finished top 4 so you're an expert now.

Did Alex Johnson and Ted Richards fall off the face of the Earth? Richards was one of the best defenders in 2011 and AJ was superb in his first season. Those two with Grundy mean our defence is fine.

 

[Patron]

It would be nice if you knew something about our list before commenting, but your team finished top 4 so you're an expert now.

Did Alex Johnson and Ted Richards fall off the face of the Earth? Richards was one of the best defenders in 2011 and AJ was superb in his first season. Those two with Grundy mean our defence is fine.

Sydneys list on the whole is pretty mediocre talent wise. Just on talent i probably wouldn't be tipping them to make the 8 but sydney always seem to find a way and get the best out of their team. Your KPP are fairly average.

 

[Obeanie1]

It would be nice if you knew something about our list before commenting, but your team finished top 4 so you're an expert now.

Did Alex Johnson and Ted Richards fall off the face of the Earth? Richards was one of the best defenders in 2011 and AJ was superb in his first season. Those two with Grundy mean our defence is fine.

Ted Richards - struggled to make the side for the first 2/3 of the season, he's a 3rd tall backman and an undersized FB or CHB. If you had won in 2006 he would have been the Norm Smith medalist. Solid player who sometimes plays above himself.

Johnson after 1 season you think you backline is set?

Over confident to the extreme.

Here's a thought. How many opposition supporters post "I would love to have (Johnson / Grundy / Johnson / White / Walsh) in my side, it would make us a top two side?

The small size of the SCG hides these deficencies to some extent, so does the the Swans midfield defensize mindset, again the SCG helps. But as soon as the Swans play on bigger grounds against quality opposition with quality talls they fall short. With those KP players bar Goodes (who plays alot of midfield) the Swans are good enough to beat bottom eight sides but can't match it against Collingwood, Geelong, Hawthorn and my (obviously biased) tip is your run of success against the improving / maturing Eagles will be coming to an end in 2012.