D2 2013 Div2, the thread

[Phil Meadows]

SMS over Leo's
Eltham to bounce back
St. John's by 2 goals over hoes
Therry just
Valley to continue from their impressive win last week

Also big plugger for SMS to be the difference in the ressies top of the table clash! Due

All the best for the W/E!

PM

 

[mitch_fc]

Went down and watched the Monash vs Ivanhoe clash on the weekend as I live close and my knee was playing up, missus would only drive me as a far as caulfield.

Anyway, Ivanhoe are possibly the most overrated side in the entire VAFA if that performance was anything to go by. If it wasn't for Paul Harris, they would be in Div 4. Ash close is not a good footballer. The bloke is a bean pole. The only reason he kicked 6 was because of 4 free kicks from the umpires and the fact that 100% of forward 50 entries go to him.

Word of advise Hoes, if you want to stay in Div 2, get a better game plan then kicking it to that overrated hack every time.

After seeing one match where Close has a bad day and only kicks 6, he is an overrated hack and not a good footballer.
So how do you rate the rest of the comp then?

I thought you would be more of an Ivanhoe fan than most given your user name and the tune of Ivanhoe theme song, but I guess first impressions can be extremely wrong can't they.

 

[quasimodo]

Round 5 PreviewEltham over YV by 15 Pts (Two weeks ago I’d have selected the Bushrangers at home but not anymore). Gryphs over Ivanhoe by 4 Pts (Nothing in this one but Matty Fletcher to star and get Monash over the line by less than a kick two weeks in a row). Paradians over Emmaus by 21 Pts (Surely Parade couldn’t drop this one). SMS over SMD by 13 Pts (Another that could go either way in another very tough round for the tipsters). St Johns over Therry by 14 Pts (I’m finally on the Jocs bandwagon, so it is likely they’ll lose now).

Round 5 Review


2/5 (15/25 cumulative) was a mediocre return in a week that revealed that all teams in the division are beatable if they do not bring the correct mindset with them. Just when we thought that Old Eltham were the clear standout and The Bushrangers were getting the wobbles, Yarra Valley came out and protected their home patch with pride, booting 9 goals to 5 in the second half to run out reasonably comfortable winners. Full credit to the Bushrangers backmen who restricted the Turtles to just eleven goals and Seb Ciavola to just one. Similarly, at Doveton, you jump on a bandwagon and soon enough it is derailed as Therry gave the Jocs a football lesson in the blustery conditions. The game was over at quarter time as The Lions spearhead Jarrod Bannister took his seasons tally to 27 with a stellar performance of 8. The other Jarrod, Egglestone and Darcy Grant were also in fine form for the visitors. Parade would be disappointed they could not beat the Animals at Bundoora, but it was Emmaus who were the team that could consider themselves unlucky not to get the 4 points, inaccurate kicking resulting in the season first tie. Elsewhere the Gryphons crushed the Hoes in their best performance for the season so far, their fine record over Ivanhoe continues and St Mary’s beat a spirited Bloods cohort at Lindsay Hassett by 22 points.














Round 6 Preview





SMS over Emmaus by 31 Pts (The Animals were far better last time out with the Baranelllo brothers and Nic ‘Rockin’ Robin amongst the better contributors. However, they come up against a side that could well be undefeated save for some poor kicking against Monash a couple of weeks back and although the Sainters are not thumping sides, they would fancy themselves to have a strong win. The ‘Regals’ such as Higginbotham, Strangeward and Cropley will be too good).
Eltham over Parade by 48 Pts (Reports from Domeney suggest the Turtles were pretty cocky about their chances prior to last week’s game and this lack of focus cost them dearly. I do not expect any complacency from the home side this week though and Parade’s lack of scoring options is sure to be exploited again. Turtles comfortably).

Ivanhoe over St Johns by 3 Pts (Reckon this is the toughest tip of the round as both sides have mixed their form in 2013. Reckon the Hoes possess the greater potency going forward with Ash Close in the square and whilst their defence leaks too many goals, I suspect they will just do enough).



Therry over Monash by 11 Pts (The Lions are the form side of the competition at present and Jarrod Bannister has taken over as the sections premier forward. What I really like about Therry though is their miserly defensive structures that choke the opposition into turning the ball over in the ‘trampoline zone’ and their subsequent run and spread from these clangers. Monash are beginning to get a few of their better players back and will fight hard, but fall just short).



Bushrangers over Bloods by 28 Pts (South have a solid defence, but like Parade lack the necessary firepower to trouble the better sides. Yarra Valley were back to their free running best last week and will look to further their push for a permanent spot in the four. Expect the Bloods to be in this one for three quarters but run out of legs in the last when the pressure is on).

Good luck to all

Quasi

 

[arthur mccarthur]

2 out of 5 for cumulative 14/25. Not doing too well! This week -

Eltham to bounce back over parade

Therry too strong for monash 3 goals

Ivanhoe over St Johns by a goal

St Mary's over Emmaus by 4 goals

Yarra Valley over South Melbourne in a close one 1 goal

 

[the disector]

Tips:
Eltham far to good for parade
Therry over Monash
St johns to account for Ivanhoe in a close one
SMS by a goal, a danger one here I think for the combine
Yarra valley comfortably

Good luck to all!!!

 

[Damo5]

First time I've been down to Therry's home ground before, but went to see the big Russell Robertson in action for the Gryphons (wearing the green clash jumper with the Big V in the middle).
If Therry isn't the real deal, then I don't know who is. Very structured, and fast moving side. Those Bannisters are dangerous. In fact, I reckon Corey, the older one, put the tracksuit on at 3QT, and gave the goal square to his brother for the last term.
Robbo looked dangerous at times, kicked the Gryphons first goal from 50m with an open goal square. But delivery to him was lacklustre.
I'm sure the Monash boys are very disappointed, I was expecting a thriller and it wasn't to be.

 

[The Modest Gryphons]

Now Gentlemen,
Umpires Appreciation Round is something to be admired. It was an idea initiated to show admiration for the men that make the game we love possible. And nine times out of ten the officials do a fantastic job.
Unfortunately, the Modest Gryphon as has been tradition, followed his favourite side out to Oak Park on Saturday, and saw an umpiring performance that wasn’t quite up to scratch. It should be known that when I say not quite, I mean nowhere near it. Let me first start by admitting that this is just a sideshow to what was a near flawless performance from what I believe to be the benchmark of the competition in Therry-Penola. The umpire was disgraceful at best. Not just in the adjudication or consistency, but the complete dedication for servicing one side over another. This rant particularly pertains to the younger of the two umpires. Some of his decision making was blatantly poor, and his arrogance to chat back to players showed an immature mindset. At one stage he even stood on the ball, showing a complete lack of awareness for the game around him. I would presume he will be officiating in the D4 reserves for the remainder of this year. If not, then the competition cares little for its reputation.
I will agree that the caterwauls of many of the Gryphons players were ordinary, but they did have merit. I would like to know if any Therry players/supporters would like to offer their view? How did you think the umpires performed? What steps should the administration of the Monash Gryphons take towards reviewing the umpiring? At stages this year, the players and officials have felt the umpiring has gone against them, but it has always evened out.
That being said, I would like to acknowledge a brilliant performance from Therry, they are a pleasure to watch. Their skills are unrivalled in the league (so far that I have seen) and they will be tough to beat in 2013.
Thanks for your time.
Keep your eye on the ball,
The Modest (albeit a little biased) Gryphon.

 

[les argen]

Now Gentlemen,
Umpires Appreciation Round is something to be admired. It was an idea initiated to show admiration for the men that make the game we love possible. And nine times out of ten the officials do a fantastic job.
Unfortunately, the Modest Gryphon as has been tradition, followed his favourite side out to Oak Park on Saturday, and saw an umpiring performance that wasn’t quite up to scratch. It should be known that when I say not quite, I mean nowhere near it. Let me first start by admitting that this is just a sideshow to what was a near flawless performance from what I believe to be the benchmark of the competition in Therry-Penola. The umpire was disgraceful at best. Not just in the adjudication or consistency, but the complete dedication for servicing one side over another. This rant particularly pertains to the younger of the two umpires. Some of his decision making was blatantly poor, and his arrogance to chat back to players showed an immature mindset. At one stage he even stood on the ball, showing a complete lack of awareness for the game around him. I would presume he will be officiating in the D4 reserves for the remainder of this year. If not, then the competition cares little for its reputation.
I will agree that the caterwauls of many of the Gryphons players were ordinary, but they did have merit. I would like to know if any Therry players/supporters would like to offer their view? How did you think the umpires performed? What steps should the administration of the Monash Gryphons take towards reviewing the umpiring? At stages this year, the players and officials have felt the umpiring has gone against them, but it has always evened out.
That being said, I would like to acknowledge a brilliant performance from Therry, they are a pleasure to watch. Their skills are unrivalled in the league (so far that I have seen) and they will be tough to beat in 2013.
Thanks for your time.
Keep your eye on the ball,
The Modest (albeit a little biased) Gryphon.

Tool.

Umpire bashing is not the answer.

 

[Damo5]

Now Gentlemen,
Umpires Appreciation Round is something to be admired. It was an idea initiated to show admiration for the men that make the game we love possible. And nine times out of ten the officials do a fantastic job.
Unfortunately, the Modest Gryphon as has been tradition, followed his favourite side out to Oak Park on Saturday, and saw an umpiring performance that wasn’t quite up to scratch. It should be known that when I say not quite, I mean nowhere near it. Let me first start by admitting that this is just a sideshow to what was a near flawless performance from what I believe to be the benchmark of the competition in Therry-Penola. The umpire was disgraceful at best. Not just in the adjudication or consistency, but the complete dedication for servicing one side over another. This rant particularly pertains to the younger of the two umpires. Some of his decision making was blatantly poor, and his arrogance to chat back to players showed an immature mindset. At one stage he even stood on the ball, showing a complete lack of awareness for the game around him. I would presume he will be officiating in the D4 reserves for the remainder of this year. If not, then the competition cares little for its reputation.
I will agree that the caterwauls of many of the Gryphons players were ordinary, but they did have merit. I would like to know if any Therry players/supporters would like to offer their view? How did you think the umpires performed? What steps should the administration of the Monash Gryphons take towards reviewing the umpiring? At stages this year, the players and officials have felt the umpiring has gone against them, but it has always evened out.
That being said, I would like to acknowledge a brilliant performance from Therry, they are a pleasure to watch. Their skills are unrivalled in the league (so far that I have seen) and they will be tough to beat in 2013.
Thanks for your time.
Keep your eye on the ball,
The Modest (albeit a little biased) Gryphon.

Yeh the umpiring was noticeable, and Therry did seem to be favoured, yet as you said Gryphon, it wouldn't have changed the outcome.
Gryphons probably gave away 4 or 5 high fend offs, which is probably the most I've ever seen in an amateur game.
A few 25m penalties probably shouldn't have been paid, but it was probably the frustration of the Monash players that gave away the penalties. If an umpire thinks the Gryphons were chatting back to them or time wasting, then the penalties were probably there.
And there was one run down the midfield by a Therry half backer that should have been paid running too far.
I don't think Monash should be calling for a review of the umpiring. Often good teams get the run of the green because of the way they go about their football. Good teams tackle in packs and are usually rewarded with holding the ball, and I think Therry did that.
I'm sure Monash's coach wasn't blaming the umpiring while he was blasting the players on the ground in his post match speech.

 

[Rissoles]

Now Gentlemen,
Umpires Appreciation Round is something to be admired. It was an idea initiated to show admiration for the men that make the game we love possible. And nine times out of ten the officials do a fantastic job.
Unfortunately, the Modest Gryphon as has been tradition, followed his favourite side out to Oak Park on Saturday, and saw an umpiring performance that wasn’t quite up to scratch. It should be known that when I say not quite, I mean nowhere near it. Let me first start by admitting that this is just a sideshow to what was a near flawless performance from what I believe to be the benchmark of the competition in Therry-Penola. The umpire was disgraceful at best. Not just in the adjudication or consistency, but the complete dedication for servicing one side over another. This rant particularly pertains to the younger of the two umpires. Some of his decision making was blatantly poor, and his arrogance to chat back to players showed an immature mindset. At one stage he even stood on the ball, showing a complete lack of awareness for the game around him. I would presume he will be officiating in the D4 reserves for the remainder of this year. If not, then the competition cares little for its reputation.
I will agree that the caterwauls of many of the Gryphons players were ordinary, but they did have merit. I would like to know if any Therry players/supporters would like to offer their view? How did you think the umpires performed? What steps should the administration of the Monash Gryphons take towards reviewing the umpiring? At stages this year, the players and officials have felt the umpiring has gone against them, but it has always evened out.
That being said, I would like to acknowledge a brilliant performance from Therry, they are a pleasure to watch. Their skills are unrivalled in the league (so far that I have seen) and they will be tough to beat in 2013.
Thanks for your time.
Keep your eye on the ball,
The Modest (albeit a little biased) Gryphon.

What a diatribe of disgraceful whingeing! I tell you what, give us your honest appraisal of your five worst players on the day and we'll compare them with your assessment of the umpires. Everyone in the game has to have time to develop - including umpires.
Your rant is terribly inaprropriate on Umpire Appreciation Day and hopelessly naive. What did you for the umpires yesterday? Anything?
I could go on but it just doesn't see to be worth it. Some are just beyond understanding the obvious fundamentals of how we play, enjoy and respect amateur football.

 

[TerryS]

What a diatribe of disgraceful whingeing! I tell you what, give us your honest appraisal of your five worst players on the day and we'll compare them with your assessment of the umpires. Everyone in the game has to have time to develop - including umpires.
Your rant is terribly inaprropriate on Umpire Appreciation Day and hopelessly naive. What did you for the umpires yesterday? Anything?
I could go on but it just doesn't see to be worth it. Some are just beyond understanding the obvious fundamentals of how we play, enjoy and respect amateur football.

I couldn't give a stuff about umpire appreciation day. I appreciate when they umpire well and they are hardly noticed. Quite happy to let them know after the game as well. Back when I was a player frequently had a beer and chat with the umps. Regardless it's not worth bashing individuals as we need these blokes or we'll not be doing anything on a Saturday. But remember they are getting paid to do a job, we're here to have fun and I think there is a duty to do that for us.

As a supporter I've heard many complaints from many VAFA supporters this year about umpiring. I (and many others I know) blame the AFL. What they are doing to the game is making it difficult at our level. I am certain a lot of umpires watch AFL and try to officiate the same way. We play different rules and are not AFL players so should be different. I've been around a long time and don't recall it being quite like this previously. Would love to hear others thoughts on this theory.

Therry v Gryphs I thought only marginally worse than seen this year and I didn't think favoured one team or the other but in general did detract from the game. Therry played better than any team I've seen at this grade in many years. The way they broke tackles and ran lines will be tough to beat on mid-large sized grounds. Umpiring didn't change this but it's frustrating to watch.

 

[Rissoles]

I couldn't give a stuff about umpire appreciation day. I appreciate when they umpire well and they are hardly noticed. Quite happy to let them know after the game as well. Back when I was a player frequently had a beer and chat with the umps. Regardless it's not worth bashing individuals as we need these blokes or we'll not be doing anything on a Saturday. But remember they are getting paid to do a job, we're here to have fun and I think there is a duty to do that for us.

As a supporter I've heard many complaints from many VAFA supporters this year about umpiring. I (and many others I know) blame the AFL. What they are doing to the game is making it difficult at our level. I am certain a lot of umpires watch AFL and try to officiate the same way. We play different rules and are not AFL players so should be different. I've been around a long time and don't recall it being quite like this previously. Would love to hear others thoughts on this theory.

Therry v Gryphs I thought only marginally worse than seen this year and I didn't think favoured one team or the other but in general did detract from the game. Therry played better than any team I've seen at this grade in many years. The way they broke tackles and ran lines will be tough to beat on mid-large sized grounds. Umpiring didn't change this but it's frustrating to watch.

Terry, I've been around a long time too, but your comments about umpires I cannot agree with. You infer that umpires stop you having fun and that they have a duty to you as a team. What a load of crap!
For God's sake they are integral to the game as your full forward or full back!
If we don't have umpires, we don't have a game. They have no duty to us as a team for having fun or anything else. They simply allow us to have a game.
You should be appreciating them as much as your coaches, your trainers, your runners, your Committee.
A game doesn't happen without them. Instead of whingeing about umpires, embrace them and get to know them. We communicate with our umpires all the time. It makes a helluva difference.

 

[FinalsFocus]

Modest Gryphon, your comment has sparked more discussion than it deserves. I'm sure every club here has had those weeks when they felt that umpiring on a particular day has cost their club a few goals, some momentum or even in some cases a match.

But like all of us you have to shrug it off, control what you can (your own team), and hope these things even out over the year.

Lets say for arguments sake, umpiring cost you 4-5 goals net for the day... you still have 9 goals to make up from the weekend and my opinion is that your energy is better spent focussing on where those came from... effort, structure, tacticts, skills etc.

I hope your views are not the common consensus down at the Gryphons.

 

[rosejam]

What steps should the administration of the Monash Gryphons take towards reviewing the umpiring?

I can answer this for you.

We'll be taking no steps towards reviewing the umpiring.

The only time we would is if the umpiring either:

A) had an impact on the result
B) was in anyway showing favoritism towards either team

In this case that wasn't the case.

The Monash Gryphons Football Club appreciate the hard work the umpires do so we can run around on Saturdays.

Looking forward to this weekends game!

James

 

[mitch_fc]

umpiring is not great, but you gotta take the good with the bad, it's d2 footy.

plenty are willing to dig the boot in, not many to have a crack themselves.

 

[Johnnyonthespot2]

Let me buy into this discussion and say I understand the point the Modest Gryphon is making.
I appreciate the umpires and understand how difficult it is. But if you are clearly no good at umpiring then you need to be told. If its your passion to be an umpire then get some training to improve yourself.
Or if you are simply no good at it, then get another job.
I mean thats just common sense.
And no doubt the young guy at Therry is simply not good at umpiring. He needs to get some training or get another job..
In saying that. He had has nothing to do with the result and no sour grapes.
Therry's performance was the best Div2 performance Ive ever seen.
I cant believe they have lost a game.
$1.50 Flag.

 

[TerryS]

Terry, I've been around a long time too, but your comments about umpires I cannot agree with. You infer that umpires stop you having fun and that they have a duty to you as a team. What a load of crap!

For God's sake they are integral to the game as your full forward or full back!
If we don't have umpires, we don't have a game. They have no duty to us as a team for having fun or anything else. They simply allow us to have a game.
You should be appreciating them as much as your coaches, your trainers, your runners, your Committee.
A game doesn't happen without them. Instead of whingeing about umpires, embrace them and get to know them. We communicate with our umpires all the time. It makes a helluva difference.

I'm not inferring they have a duty to any team. I think they have a duty to the sport to do what they are paid to do and consistently follow the rules and spirit of the game. If people aren't having fun they'll probably go and play another sport where they aren't feeling frustrated and are having fun. Of course umpiring is an integral part of the game, as long it is not detrimental to the game, I don't have a problem. I'm guessing you have something to do with umpires to defend like this, you have pulled things out of nowhere by addressing two small comments and missing the blatant free kick. My comments which you have highlighted when taken in context basically stated what you have anyway, but you've completely missed addressing the main part. With my post I was referring to a trend with umpiring following AFL style and rules rather than VAFA rules and a style that addresses players of lesser fitness/skill/ability. It's a disturbing trend noticed by a few people around the circuit and wanted comment. If it makes it easier forget about the umpires, is it an issue with the people coaching and directing the umpires?

Finally on your last comment "Instead of whingeing about umpires, embrace them and get to know them. We communicate with our umpires all the time. It makes a helluva difference." So if I know an umpire this makes them better equipped to better follow the rules? Are you giving them some tips are you? Or do they just favour you more if you get to know them more? Which is paramount to cheating.

 

[ConfusedAtTimes]

Coach Robin any word from the YV game on the weekend? Looks like your big guys are starting to fire again.

 

[Christmas Carrolls]

We generally, have a "no comment policy" invoked at St Johns, and I'd be butchered at Thursday training in my identify was revealed here, but I cannot sit in silence.

While not being at the game in question, I agree with Modest Gryphons and Onthespot, these sub-standard umpires cannot continue to umpire games without undertaking further training. The players, the committee, the trainers, the volunteers, the fans work their behinds off to get ready for a Saturday only to have these putrid little twerps disgrace the game we love so very much.

Now I don't profess to possess any umpiring ability, I'm sure it's a tough job, but as a retiree, I've seen countless employee's sacked for under performing. I've been sacked for under performing and I've sacked for under performing.

I can only imagine from the outrage expressed from the Monash faithful that this spineless twat of an umpire has performed so poorly that mediation is required before he can destroy another game of beloved AFL.

If umpires want appreciation, they need to put in a performance worthy of appreciation, until then, shut up, go back to training and learn the trade that earns you a nice hourly rate of pay.

As for those defending the umipres, namely you Rissole you ignoramus of a human being, you are a blight not only on the game, but man kind. Gutless brown nosers like you have no place in society and if you could kindly remove your fat wrist off the keyboard and return to your monotonous life as soon as possible. If you feel like introducing some excitement into your dull life with the aid of a some carbon monoxide and a confided space, please, don't let us stop you.

 

[TerryS]

Well, that escalated quickly.

 

[Rissoles]

I'm not inferring they have a duty to any team. I think they have a duty to the sport to do what they are paid to do and consistently follow the rules and spirit of the game. If people aren't having fun they'll probably go and play another sport where they aren't feeling frustrated and are having fun. Of course umpiring is an integral part of the game, as long it is not detrimental to the game, I don't have a problem. I'm guessing you have something to do with umpires to defend like this, you have pulled things out of nowhere by addressing two small comments and missing the blatant free kick. My comments which you have highlighted when taken in context basically stated what you have anyway, but you've completely missed addressing the main part. With my post I was referring to a trend with umpiring following AFL style and rules rather than VAFA rules and a style that addresses players of lesser fitness/skill/ability. It's a disturbing trend noticed by a few people around the circuit and wanted comment. If it makes it easier forget about the umpires, is it an issue with the people coaching and directing the umpires?

Finally on your last comment "Instead of whingeing about umpires, embrace them and get to know them. We communicate with our umpires all the time. It makes a helluva difference." So if I know an umpire this makes them better equipped to better follow the rules? Are you giving them some tips are you? Or do they just favour you more if you get to know them more? Which is paramount to cheating.

I have never had anything directly to do with umpires, other than playing for 15 years (8 within the VAFA), held various executive positions with football clubs over 15+ years, and coached for 6 years.
In case you didn't know, the VAFA is affiliated with the AFL through AFL Victoria. The Laws of Australian Football as administered and controlled by the AFL apply to bodies affiliated to the AFL (you can download a copy of Laws from http://www.aflua.com.au/history_laws). The Rules that VAFA games are umpired by are the same as the AFL and other affiliated leagues.

The purpose of the Laws is to ensure that a game of Australian Football is played in a fair manner. A rule is a rule, Terry, so I fail to see how you can ask for an umpiring "style that addresses players of lesser fitness/skill/ability."

The information and training provided to VAFA umpires is extensive (see attached manual). Every Club is encouraged to complete Umpire Feedback Forms after every game and send them to the VAFA. Your Secretary should be fully aware of this and have access to the forms.

If friendly relationships are developed with umpires, it provides the opportunity for discussions and a knowledge of an umpire's experience and development. I hope the provision of factual information will show you that there are not different rules or trends.

 

[rosejam]

Rissoles,

Whilst I do agree with your general contention I feel I need to pull you up here.

There are different rules in the VAFA to that of the AFL and different interpretations.

Club Presidents and secretaries were sent an email explaining as much with a couple rules at that start of this year.

"b) A player can only enter the protected area when following an opponent



and must be within 2 metres of that opponent - amended from 5metres.



This player is not permitted to make any contact to the player with ball



until the umpire calls play on. – Not Applicable to the VAFA"

and

"Please Note; We do not have the Hands in the Back interpretation in a



Marking Contest in the VAFA."

There are other rules which are the same- the above is just two examples of where we stray from the AFL interpretation due to the players "fitness/skill/ability"

Cheers

 

[Rissoles]

Rissoles,

Whilst I do agree with your general contention I feel I need to pull you up here.

There are different rules in the VAFA to that of the AFL and different interpretations.

Club Presidents and secretaries were sent an email explaining as much with a couple rules at that start of this year.




and






There are other rules which are the same- the above is just two examples of where we stray from the AFL interpretation due to the players "fitness/skill/ability"

Cheers

Totally agree with you, Rosejam. There are a handful of rules that have been amended by the VAFA but 95%+ of the Rules are the same. I don't believe the VAFA amendments were due to players fitness/skill/ability. They were brought in because we don't have three umpires, eg hands in the back rule in marking is too difficult to see if you only have one or two umpires adjudicating.

 

[TerryS]

I have never had anything directly to do with umpires, other than playing for 15 years (8 within the VAFA), held various executive positions with football clubs over 15+ years, and coached for 6 years.
In case you didn't know, the VAFA is affiliated with the AFL through AFL Victoria. The Laws of Australian Football as administered and controlled by the AFL apply to bodies affiliated to the AFL (you can download a copy of Laws from http://www.aflua.com.au/history_laws). The Rules that VAFA games are umpired by are the same as the AFL and other affiliated leagues.

The purpose of the Laws is to ensure that a game of Australian Football is played in a fair manner. A rule is a rule, Terry, so I fail to see how you can ask for an umpiring "style that addresses players of lesser fitness/skill/ability."

The information and training provided to VAFA umpires is extensive (see attached manual). Every Club is encouraged to complete Umpire Feedback Forms after every game and send them to the VAFA. Your Secretary should be fully aware of this and have access to the forms.

If friendly relationships are developed with umpires, it provides the opportunity for discussions and a knowledge of an umpire's experience and development. I hope the provision of factual information will show you that there are not different rules or trends.

Check your facts. There are plenty of different rules. Regardless it's only recent year or two I've perceived the AFL style implemented. Anyway, it's an opinion, you don't agree, fair enough I'm not going to argue further.

No matter what I say I know I can't get you off your high horse. Maybe in C Grade it is different but head down to a D2/D3 game and you may see what we are talking about.

 

[Christmas Carrolls]

Rissoles,

Whilst I do agree with your general contention I feel I need to pull you up here.

There are different rules in the VAFA to that of the AFL and different interpretations.

Club Presidents and secretaries were sent an email explaining as much with a couple rules at that start of this year.




and






There are other rules which are the same- the above is just two examples of where we stray from the AFL interpretation due to the players "fitness/skill/ability"

Cheers

I concur with Rosejam, every year we get told which rules the VAFA are adopting and which we aren't.

And Rissoles, for someone with such an extensive history in the game as you, your thoughts that umpiring shouldn't be tweaked based on the standard of play is one of the most idiotic things I've heard.

Your defense of these putrid umpires has incensed me so much that I'm going to let my emotions take over.

We at St Johns hate each and every single umpire on the planet. You gutless, skinny, ugly human beings don't have the courage, nor the ability to play football so you appease your scorned souls by ruining the enjoyment of those that do play. Do us a favour you envious nobs, either learn how to umpire or quit umpiring. Go and spend your Saturday's playing video games, it's your inevitable destiny anyway you pack of virgins.