List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Trade FA Megathread

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

Would not want to give away 2 top 20 picks & Armo for a forward with knee concerns and a midfielder that hasn't shown consistency at the highest level, especially with Wright at the top of this year's draft.

Agreed. This is meant to be a cracker of a draft so you would want to keep your draft picks and in fact nab one more top 20 pick if possible to take advantage.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

We did well to get 3 picks inside the top 20 last draft but I reckon that will be near on impossible to replicate this year unless we moved on Jack Steven which isn't going to happen. We'll likely finish with 2 picks inside the first 20-22 (depending on FA moves) and that will do IMO.

 

[Defacto]

not sure if this is the right place to post it, but there was some banter on twitter amongst some of us saints fans on twitter. i thought it would be good to share here and give us a bit of perspective that we aint doing that bad.

some of you may know that freo have signed an agreement to move their training and HQ from south fremantle oval to a new facility that will be built in cockburn central. its similar to what the saints did. south freo was either to small or too expensive to re-furbish/update so they got what looked like to freo a sweet agreement to build in a suburb somewhere.

this is where freo are moving from:
https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=s...=fT1JZWQDDlj7URUkg8p8lQ&cbp=11,138.23,,0,6.38

the oval is at the south eastern end of that street. the street is famous for its cafes, pubs, markets and heritage listed buildings. the oval itself is also heritage listed and is iconic. its in the heart of fremantle, one of the oldest areas in perth and one of the original settlements/ports of perth. its a tourist destination with many establishments and sites. great for a feed and drink. i'd highly recommend little creatures to anyone who hasnt been there before. it is heavy in perth history and wa football history.

the local council tried to keep freo there, offered them extra incentives and pitched to them the idea of making the area heavily related to the football club. extra signage, flags etc. down the main strip. the idea being that the city and the club would be one.

freo rejected it. for this:
https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=C...d=dAn5JaPtsP-gjO9vozlw0A&cbp=11,267.02,,0,2.8

its a growing suburb 45 mins from the CBD. it has 1 medium shopping center with a local pub, 1 train station and growing housing estates. in traffic it will take you 1hr 15 mins to get there. the area mainly known for the industrial area at the back of it, the largest in WA. it has an oil refinery, chemical factories, fertiliser factories, thermal cement, concrete, power stations etc. there really isnt anything nice near it. its basically a cheap southern suburb. pav and other well off players generally live north of the river so their commute is going to be fun!!!

they've spent the last decade trying to solidify and establish their image and link to the city of fremantle. for the grand final 45k people went to the fremantle street i showed above. they've all but eroded that in one agreement to move their training ground to some vacant bush land in the middle of an industrial/suburban area

our decision to move to seaford is a roaring success compared to this absolute cluster ****

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

I'm getting really sick of hearing how were already gearing up for a top pick this year and who were going to trade to get a high pick.
I tell you, that is very thin ice to skate on hoping your team finishes low and doesn't win many games.
We already have a very talented young list. We had massive injuries in the back line last year. We lost a heap of close games to very good teams last year under those circumstances.
I think the expectation within the group would be the same as every single year and thats not looking at getting high draft picks at years end, but to win 16 games and make the top 4.
Leave the contemplating for getting top draft picks for when were well into the season IF were near the bottom of the ladder. We have a great draw, and FFS talk of trading Armo is just lunacy.
So dumb to trade good quality good aged players just for the sake of more draft picks.
Winning Culture! FFS not tanking culture! 16 wins in 2014, and thats it.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

I'm getting really sick of hearing how were already gearing up for a top pick this year and who were going to trade to get a high pick.
I tell you, that is very thin ice to skate on hoping your team finishes low and doesn't win many games.
We already have a very talented young list. We had massive injuries in the back line last year. We lost a heap of close games to very good teams last year under those circumstances.
I think the expectation within the group would be the same as every single year and thats not looking at getting high draft picks at years end, but to win 16 games and make the top 4.
Leave the contemplating for getting top draft picks for when were well into the season IF were near the bottom of the ladder. We have a great draw, and FFS talk of trading Armo is just lunacy.
So dumb to trade good quality good aged players just for the sake of more draft picks.
Winning Culture! FFS not tanking culture! 16 wins in 2014, and thats it.

Nicely said.

 

[Defacto]

I'm getting really sick of hearing how were already gearing up for a top pick this year and who were going to trade to get a high pick.
I tell you, that is very thin ice to skate on hoping your team finishes low and doesn't win many games.
We already have a very talented young list. We had massive injuries in the back line last year. We lost a heap of close games to very good teams last year under those circumstances.
I think the expectation within the group would be the same as every single year and thats not looking at getting high draft picks at years end, but to win 16 games and make the top 4.
Leave the contemplating for getting top draft picks for when were well into the season IF were near the bottom of the ladder. We have a great draw, and FFS talk of trading Armo is just lunacy.
So dumb to trade good quality good aged players just for the sake of more draft picks.
Winning Culture! FFS not tanking culture! 16 wins in 2014, and thats it.

i agree. try your heart out with an eye on development and by development i just mean making sure were trying some different things, blooding some kids, preparing for the future. i'm by no means talking tanking here, IMO tanking is an outdated concept. had a place more than 10 years ago. not anymore.

then at the end of the year, let pelchen/ameet/trout work their magic. i'd back them in no matter what the cattle or draft order

 

[Persevering Saint]

Fact is, we finished 9th in 2012, and with the exception of the Goddard free agency stuff, Pelch managed to score the bulk of the kids that excite us.

Some great players have gone since that season, but that 2012 team also had a fair few issues and ordinary players, who been replaced now with those 2-3 year players who are much better.

I guess all I'm saying is, we don't NEED to tank to do well, in the season and at the draft table. And that's not because that's Geelong's model, or Sydney's or Hawthorn's. It's what OUR model was, until injuries and a twat of a coach made last year go pear shaped. Let's not WANT to be pear shaped again, okay?

 

[Periphery]

I'm getting really sick of hearing how were already gearing up for a top pick this year and who were going to trade to get a high pick.
I tell you, that is very thin ice to skate on hoping your team finishes low and doesn't win many games.
We already have a very talented young list. We had massive injuries in the back line last year. We lost a heap of close games to very good teams last year under those circumstances.
I think the expectation within the group would be the same as every single year and thats not looking at getting high draft picks at years end, but to win 16 games and make the top 4.
Leave the contemplating for getting top draft picks for when were well into the season IF were near the bottom of the ladder. We have a great draw, and FFS talk of trading Armo is just lunacy.
So dumb to trade good quality good aged players just for the sake of more draft picks.
Winning Culture! FFS not tanking culture! 16 wins in 2014, and thats it.

As far as I can tell nobody has expressed any desire for us to finish low on the ladder just to get high draft picks. It has always been thoughts along the line of expecting us to struggle to win games but being happy to be proven wrong.

We have the 6th oldest list in the league and most of our youth is largely unproven. We believe and hope that we have a very talented young list but really we don't know for sure yet, as it is way to early to call on most of them. They have potential but they still need to put in the hard yards and prove that they can live up to our expectations.

I'm not convinced the injuries to our backline are wholly to blame for our poor performance last year, but more that they compounded an existing issue in the team. Our midfield was pretty poor last year, this meant our backline was under a lot more pressure than they should be.

If I recall correctly, when Richardson was hired the club said that he wouldn't be judged on the win/loss record for next year but on other KPI's. I don't think the clubs expectations are based around winning this year, but more on a desire to win and failing that to improve as much as possible in key areas. Pelchen said in his address to platinum club members to expect a bad year this year before we start to improve from 2015 onwards. That was before the trade and draft period so the expectations might have changed slightly but I don't think they will have gone from "expect more pain" to "top four" just yet.

I believe this season should be considered a success if we see the team buying into the new coaches plans while also seeing some real tangible development in our kids. Winning games will help this but as long as we aren't thrashed every week they are almost a secondary concern. I think you over rate how good our draw is, we play the following teams twice: West Coast, Gold Coast, Carlton, Richmond, Adelaide. Those are hardly pushovers and doesn't leave much room for us to snag some easy wins against the other bottom teams.

The Armo trade discussion comes about from us being reported to have made a serious play for pick 2 from Melbourne last year. This happened after the McEvoy trade had already been done so naturally if bring up the question of who/what could have been offered. Armo seems like a good candidate to fit that role, because he is not one of the untouchables and is also one of the few in the team who have some real trade value. Discussing it is hardly "lunacy" and I really don't see what the issue is with have a discussion on the value or merits of trading a player.

But, regardless of what happens this season, your optimism is great and if all Saints supporters were more like you we would have 40k members all the time.

 

[Grav]

I'm getting really sick of hearing how were already gearing up for a top pick this year and who were going to trade to get a high pick.
I tell you, that is very thin ice to skate on hoping your team finishes low and doesn't win many games.
We already have a very talented young list. We had massive injuries in the back line last year. We lost a heap of close games to very good teams last year under those circumstances.
I think the expectation within the group would be the same as every single year and thats not looking at getting high draft picks at years end, but to win 16 games and make the top 4.
Leave the contemplating for getting top draft picks for when were well into the season IF were near the bottom of the ladder. We have a great draw, and FFS talk of trading Armo is just lunacy.
So dumb to trade good quality good aged players just for the sake of more draft picks.
Winning Culture! FFS not tanking culture! 16 wins in 2014, and thats it.

Got to agree with you wholeheartedly about the possibility of winning up to 16 games, I have been saying all along that the exuberance and mateship of a young side can sometimes help to scale great heights. Can't see why our new boys won't be urging & pushing each other on through out the season & when we come up against the more experienced teams, who more do we need to steer them through than Lenny, Rooey, Joey, Fish & co. Personally I think we are in for one hell of a season.

 

[Kildonan]

I think some posters are expecting a poor season. In a way that is understandable. The club advertise us that they are building towards 2018.
To some that might mean that the club has written off 2014 - 2017. I don't think that is true. This does give us a reasonable rebuild time, though, before expectations need to be met.

To me, the rebuild phase is a most gratifying time. We are introduced to our new players and they show us what they've got. Our imagination adds up the sum of all the various new players' abilities and we can predict how the machine of all these players together will work. The reality is that only some cylinders fire at a time and the machine stutters forward inconsistently. Occasionally all cylinders fire together and the machine performs wonderfully, more often it sputters at some stage during the match and we either lose or come from behind to win an exciting match, other times it sputters pathetically and we lose badly, but even these days are not wasted - every match is a learning experience.

Slowly we recognise that the bad days are less bad, that there are fewer of them and that other team's fans are underestimating us. This is an especially good feeling. We experience justifiable smugness for knowing that we are better than others think we are.

If our recruiting has been good enough (and it has been exemplary so far) we will plateau as one of the most consistent performers, spending several years in the finals race, being contenders or (hopefully) CHAMPIONS [/enddream]

 

[ike2112]

I think the main things Armitage has going against him when we assess trade value, is that he's not quite an A-grader, and is of an age that means another club is only going to get a solid 3, maybe 4 years out of him.
The club he offers most value to right now, is St Kilda. We have few players in his age bracket, and we were struggling for insides when Lenny was out and prior to Curren getting a shot.

At the next trade window, how does another club view a generally useful but unspectacular midfielder who'll turn 27 during their next season (i.e. 2015 season)?
Armo was ranked highly in the draft he went in, in large part because of his body and athletic/aerobic ability. He was a nailed-on AFL player, kind of a low-risk guaranteed to make it kind of guy. He still is relatively low-risk, low reward. I just can't see clubs falling over themselves to get him - it would need to be a club who already has the gun game-winners and silky superstars, but needs a solid inside man to slot in for a couple years. What might GC's needs (and draft position) be in 9 months? Would he be willing to consider WA if the Dockers were interested or the Eagles had a bounce-back year?
Richmond suffered from pissing away draft picks, can't see them wanting him.
Carlton similar, they have other areas to worry about.
Adelaide clubs unlikely to get involved.
Hawthorn I reckon are more likely to look for half-back types, and draft/develop mids.
Sydney not likely to need his style of player.
Geelong in need of someone inside? Giving up a pick for a player like that doesn't seem their style.
Melbourne not likely to have a high-teens pick to offer.
North packed with mids; I think he'd be good for them but they seem to believe in the guys they have.
Maybe things will have calmed down at Essendon by October but having lost draft picks already I can't see them trading any.
On the assumption Collingwood realise they need to do some rebuilding, he shouldn't be someone they look at.

Realistically Melbourne, Brisbane and maybe GC are the only likely options, and if we were to get a high-teens pick for him you'd have to think each of these clubs are going to need to do another trade first or work out a 3-team trade to get us something like pick 17 or 18 for Armo.

 

[Defacto]

I think some posters are expecting a poor season. In a way that is understandable. The club advertise us that they are building towards 2018.
To some that might mean that the club has written off 2014 - 2017. I don't think that is true. This does give us a reasonable rebuild time, though, before expectations need to be met.

To me, the rebuild phase is a most gratifying time. We are introduced to our new players and they show us what they've got. Our imagination adds up the sum of all the various new players' abilities and we can predict how the machine of all these players together will work. The reality is that only some cylinders fire at a time and the machine stutters forward inconsistently. Occasionally all cylinders fire together and the machine performs wonderfully, more often it sputters at some stage during the match and we either lose or come from behind to win an exciting match, other times it sputters pathetically and we lose badly, but even these days are not wasted - every match is a learning experience.

Slowly we recognise that the bad days are less bad, that there are fewer of them and that other team's fans are underestimating us. This is an especially good feeling. We experience justifiable smugness for knowing that we are better than others think we are.

If our recruiting has been good enough (and it has been exemplary so far) we will plateau as one of the most consistent performers, spending several years in the finals race, being contenders or (hopefully) CHAMPIONS [/enddream]

This x1000. So well written

 

[ike2112]

I'm getting really sick of hearing how were already gearing up for a top pick this year and who were going to trade to get a high pick.
I tell you, that is very thin ice to skate on hoping your team finishes low and doesn't win many games.
We already have a very talented young list. We had massive injuries in the back line last year. We lost a heap of close games to very good teams last year under those circumstances.
I think the expectation within the group would be the same as every single year and thats not looking at getting high draft picks at years end, but to win 16 games and make the top 4.
Leave the contemplating for getting top draft picks for when were well into the season IF were near the bottom of the ladder. We have a great draw, and FFS talk of trading Armo is just lunacy.
So dumb to trade good quality good aged players just for the sake of more draft picks.
Winning Culture! FFS not tanking culture! 16 wins in 2014, and thats it.

To be blunt about it - who stoked the fire for everyone talking about a low finish for us? The chiefs at our club. I can't recall if it was Bains or Pelchen who mentioned it first, but 3 top 20 picks this year is the aim.
That means we either finish bottom 2 and trade for another 1st-round pick (or the top 2nd-rounder), or we finish somewhere between 16 and 1 but trade 2 or more players.

We have a list that is not full of holes... but full of inconsistencies, potentials, and players who've only got 1-2 years in them. We've gotten ourselves into a bad situation where we have many gaps to cover and we need to do it in a condensed amount of time, lest we find ourselves in a terrible cycle of filling one gap as another appears.

With Armo... thinking of it more, by comparison what would we have given up for the Dons' Myers? Pick 21 I think was the discussion if I recall correctly, and opinion was fairly split on it, most saying it was too much. I'd say Armo is a bit better, but it's far from a certainty and it's difficult for me to judge a Saints player truly objectively. I think the problem is that his value to other teams isn't high enough to warrant shifting him, other than if it is to meet an arbitrary aim of having another draft pick at a number lower than 20. I do think however that's how this season is going to play out - the map that's been drawn requires a certain number of contributing players to be recruited in 2012, 13 and 14 and this plan is going to be followed, regardless of what chaos it might unveil in 2015. I'm not overly happy about that; I'd rather we did some patch-up work in the meantime and remained competitive, but I'm willing to put faith in the club's key staff and see how it plays out.
Our super team of the 00/10s was built on #1 and comp picks. The competition has moved on since those times. We are not going to suddenly get players of the calibre of, say Roo, Kosi, Goddard and Joey all within the space of 24 months. These days it's about finding role players and contributors, and finding players in the 10-20 range that are stars and finding players in the 30s who can become best 22 for a while. I hope our club's staff have been focusing their efforts on talent identification, and not just number-crunching and building sales portfolios for the trade window.
Likewise our club has to become better at talent development. Difficult for a club on a lesser budget, and restrictions they work under. But hopeful they stick at it and become successful at it.
That way, since I intend to be a Saints fan my entire life and I certainly hope to live a grand number of years more, I don't want to see the club in this current position again in 2021... I want to see us build a model where we constantly refresh and don't drop into the depths of the bottom quarter of the ladder.

PS. If Bains/Pelch are obsessed with their golden number of draft picks, I actually think we'll put up one of the youngsters. It might be unpopular. But if Saunders for example was showing flashes but not getting a consistent game each week, turning him into pick 18 or better would be considered a short-term win given he was a speculative shot at #43. I really, really like Josh Saunders. But it could be him, or Webster maybe, that are shifted on.

 

[BrianSpeaking]

Great post, these are My thoughts exactly. Happy to accept short term mediocrity for long term sustained success. I'm not keen in fair to meddling success, I want flags if we are rebuilding.

Think of whom we will lose over the next few years, we have no hope IMO of finishing up the ladder, so we need to find the next Roo, Lenny and Harvey in the next 3 drafts.

If it takes trading out a youngster now for an elite youngster like an O'Meara I would do it in a heartbeat. In fact if O'Meara was offered to us now i'd give Gold Coast the pick of our list with exception of Billings.

I'm also happy to lose with Dunstan and the like learning, as compared to Blake and Milne etc playing.

Having said all of that, the support base will not accept us losing, it will cost us member ships, so maybe we win 8 games and trade out players instead, we can't have it both ways.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Great post, these are My thoughts exactly. Happy to accept short term mediocrity for long term sustained success. I'm not keen in fair to meddling success, I want flags if we are rebuilding.

Think of whom we will lose over the next few years, we have no hope IMO of finishing up the ladder, so we need to find the next Roo, Lenny and Harvey in the next 3 drafts.

If it takes trading out a youngster now for an elite youngster like an O'Meara I would do it in a heartbeat. In fact if O'Meara was offered to us now i'd give Gold Coast the pick of our list with exception of Billings.

I'm also happy to lose with Dunstan and the like learning, as compared to Blake and Milne etc playing.

Having said all of that, the support base will not accept us losing, it will cost is member ships, so maybe we win 8 games and trade out players instead, we can't have it both ways.

Sounds like you rate Billings pretty high, as O'Meara is already quality at AFL level. This makes me excited to see him get a few games this year, a few good marks and goals up forward could help get people excited.

 

[hayes]

Trading a young guy for a draft pick is doing nothing but turning over the list. If guys like Webster and Saunders are showing signs but are inconsistent then we need to back ourselves to turn them into good, consistent players, because if we can't develop anyone then we're going nowhere anyway.

 

[Persevering Saint]

Well, that kinda depends, Hayes... it's also about roles. Take our rucks: if it all goes well, we could have Hickey, Longer, Stanley, Pierce, and heck even Holmes and the NZ kid all vying for the ruck gig. We can't play them all. But if we could get two high picks and Savage for McEvoy, then rucks might become a handy trade commodity of some surplus.

We might get into the same situation with players in other roles, too.

 

[God Save Max King]

I'm also happy to lose with Dunstan and the like learning, as compared to Blake and Milne etc playing.

This, in essence, is why I would be A-OK with finishing in the bottom 3 and not playing the "Best 22" every week. Yes, winning culture is an important part of a football club. Yes, it is important to make youngsters work hard for their position in a team and make sure they are not complacent about their security. That being said, I see the worst case scenario for St Kilda being fighting for 8 wins while playing older players in the 22 each week. Of course, the problem compounds when young players are held back due to a fear that they will make mistakes and cost the team meaningless wins. I would rather tell the senior players to swallow some pride and allow the first and second year players to learn at the highest level, hiccups and all.

As for tanking, it will not be required if we play the 18/19 year olds. Their inconsistent but exciting play will not do St Kilda any favours on the ladder, but will hold us in good stead for the future.

 

[SaintLex]

We did well to get 3 picks inside the top 20 last draft but I reckon that will be near on impossible to replicate this year unless we moved on Jack Steven which isn't going to happen. We'll likely finish with 2 picks inside the first 20-22 (depending on FA moves) and that will do IMO.

I agree. I know it's very early, but i'm struggling to see a lot of worthwhile trade bait in our list that could potentially net us a first rounder.

The only way we would get close to a first round pick for Armo is if he has a 'break-out' year and i'm not saying it's outside the realm of possibility, but I wouldn't be banking on it.

Besides Armo, the other potentials are Gilbo (if he has a big year - not unlikely) or Joey (to a top-four team on the brink of premiership success perhaps).

An attempt to package our second round with a player is very likely I would have thought, so we could end up with two first round picks, which would serve us well.

 

[ike2112]

Trading a young guy for a draft pick is doing nothing but turning over the list. If guys like Webster and Saunders are showing signs but are inconsistent then we need to back ourselves to turn them into good, consistent players, because if we can't develop anyone then we're going nowhere anyway.

I personally agree with you. But I don't think Pelchen does.

When you look at the draft, some people would say trading pick 43 and 35 for pick 18, is a big win.
Yet that's giving up 2 shots at getting an AFL player, for only 1 shot.
In my mind you got gun players, you got serviceable players, and you got those who just don't make it. I don't think you get a gun player at 18, instead I think you get a mature-bodied guy likely to fall into the middle category. Gun players can come from way low down, but it's rare.
All you do with higher draft picks, is statistically increase your chances of picking a player who is going to make it. With bad scouting and bad coaching, you can still butcher high draft picks, and you can still butcher 5 picks in the high teens/20s.

I would rather we either tried to get a better chance at gun players via emptying the decks and getting multiple top-10 picks, or we just instead focused on developing who we have, and making the most of whatever picks we end up with without pushing people out the door and ignoring results for a year or more.

My concern is the obsession with picks inside top 20, even just inside. Dunstan is very likely servicable AFL material but unlikely to be spectacular, Acres could be anything - including not much at all. Picks in the high teens are only a little less speculative than picks in the high 20s. Dumont went at 30, and there were plenty of us Saints fans happy to take him at 19 before we knew who'd be available at our final live pick.
I have a real worry that we spend the next number of years recycling picks and players in a wheel of turning 100-game B-graders into picks in the high teens, who we wait to develop... into 100-game B-graders.

The real key here is the talent spotting and development. It will make the difference between us filling our list with Brent Peakes or NDS's (talent level-speaking).

 

[ike2112]

not sure if this is the right place to post it, but there was some banter on twitter amongst some of us saints fans on twitter. i thought it would be good to share here and give us a bit of perspective that we aint doing that bad.

some of you may know that freo have signed an agreement to move their training and HQ from south fremantle oval to a new facility that will be built in cockburn central. its similar to what the saints did. south freo was either to small or too expensive to re-furbish/update so they got what looked like to freo a sweet agreement to build in a suburb somewhere.

To be fair though Perth and Freo are really different to Melbourne.
'Perth' is so widely spread out it's as if the place has been blown up. My sister in law lived in Mount Lawley for a while, and despite 10yrs experience in aviation didn't apply for a job at the airport because "it's a 30 minute drive away". Then I found out that EVERYWHERE is at least a 30 minute drive away!

Freemantle is a lovely little place (and I'm sure you know, they even painted the main broadway in Dockers colours for the GF), but it did strike me as 'quaint'. Other than the few streets with nice bars and backpacker type stuff, the rest is still dockyard area. It's nice to walk around, but I doubt the players would spent a whole lot of time in the area, they are not likely to have lived locally.
Also the oval is on a dead-end corner beyond that bubbling street; didn't look to me like there was a whole lot to work with. From memory I can't see where there'd have been much room to build a state-of-the-art facility. And aren't the Bulldogs the main tenants? Maybe the plan would have been to flatten all of what's there, include some of the wasteland nearby, and rebuilt an entire facility?
But I think the one key is that for most Dockers, Freemantle was already a fair commute. It's not like getting down to St Kilda, it's more like doing that twice. So it's not that much further of a drive. I would expect the footy club would stagger training to let players avoid rush-hour traffic (this is what sports teams here in Scotland do). The Kwinana Freeway runs straight out of the city if you're in the North, it's the same route you take for both old and new location, you'd just (to the old location) come off the Highway before Bateman and then get stuck on the smaller roads heading in towards Freo. We took the West Highway once outside of rush hour traffic, but I doubt that's quicker. So a player is likely to just stay on the same road a little further for the new ground. Google maps actually shows it as 0.4km less to travel from my sister-in-law's old address.

It is however, in the edge of nowhere. So it will be interesting to see if they provide facilities for fans as somewhere they can visit for a Docker's experience, or if like Seaford it will be a closed-door team-only facility. Also be interesting to see how big their pool is, and whether they run out of office space within a year!...

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Just to clarify one thing...last August Pelchen provided an objective of selecting 4 top 20 picks across the next 3 drafts (incl 2013).

So far they are on track to have 5 picks without any further trading (thanks to the McEvoy trade that brought in Dunstan & Acres).

I don't think that Armo or Gilbo will be traded. The loss of two mature quality players would be diabolical when you consider that Lenny, Chips & even Roo are year to year propositions.

Personally I'm prepared for another 5-6 win season... We need to make the most of our draft window so that when the premiership window re-opens, we smash the bastard down (multiple times).


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[God Save Max King]

Just to clarify one thing...last August Pelchen provided an objective of selecting 4 top 20 picks across the next 3 drafts (incl 2013).

So far they are on track to have 5 picks without any further trading (thanks to the McEvoy trade that brought in Dunstan & Acres).

I don't think that Armo or Gilbo will be traded. The loss of two mature quality players would be diabolical when you consider that Lenny, Chips & even Roo are year to year propositions.

Personally I'm prepared for another 5-6 win season... We need to make the most of our draft window so that when the premiership window re-opens, we smash the bastard down (multiple times).

Was it 4 top 20 picks overall or 4 extra picks? Right now we have 2 extra, but I think 4 top 20 picks in 3 drafts isn't a huge ask or a great target, it's possible that a club could do that without trading.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I thought he said the 4 across 3 drafts but I may have mis-heard


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[Defacto]

I wasn't there but I'd interpret it the way you have winmar. Some have said he meant 3/4 a year