List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Trade FA Megathread

[Periphery]

Fair enough, i still don't see him netting us a Top 20 pick, just talking now not what he produces in 2014 as if he improves more and becomes a lot more consistent without a doubt could net us a Top 20 pick i think.

My VFL/State league comment was stupid. We'll see i guess

I just think if a team wants a midfielder similar to David they could go into the draft and probably snag one few years younger who could possibly turn into a elite mid with that Top 20 pick

We will have to agree to disagree.

If a team wants a midfielder similar to Armo they could go to the draft but there is a very good chance they would have to wait 3+ years for them to develop. Armo is ready to go and can slot into a team tomorrow and you know pretty much what you are getting. The kid you get with the top 20 pick might end up being better but if you need the return now, you might not be willing to wait that long. It really depends on where the team at and what their priorities are.

If David Armitage had a 2013 Jack Steven like year in 2014, would you still trade him Periphery ?

I haven't made up my mind one way or another based on his 2013 form so I can hardly decide if I would trade him under those circumstances. I was just pointing out what I think he could be worth.

But to answer your question: It really depends on what we can get for him.

Unlike Steven, he isn't a marquee player for us yet so he isn't instantly off the table, but it would take a pretty great offer to get (in this hypothetical) an elite inside mid from us. His age is an interesting factor in the whole debate - on the one hand he is in an age group we are sorely lacking in, but on the other hand he is old enough that if 2018 is the start of our flag window he would be nearly 30 and quite possibly wont be around for much of it.

It really is impossible to make a call either way, but if the positives outweigh the negatives the club would be silly not to trade him.

 

[Ian Dunross]

Those saying Armo wouldn't get a top 20 pick, McEvoy got us pick 18 in effect.

On a needs basis, if say Mitchell/Burgoyne and Sewell retired at the end of this year, I imagine Hawthorn would think about Armo (if he was available) for their first pick, rather than gambling on an 18 year old years away from having any impact.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Those saying Armo wouldn't get a top 20 pick, McEvoy got us pick 18 in effect.

On a needs basis, if say Mitchell/Burgoyne and Sewell retired at the end of this year, I imagine Hawthorn would think about Armo (if he was available) for their first pick, rather than gambling on an 18 year old years away from having any impact.

Mac got us a fair bit more than pick 18. From memory he got us 18, Savage and an upgrade from 25 to 19, but I agree, I think they would jump at the chance to trade a pick like 18 for Dave, given they look like needing someone like him to play in the guts going forward. Roosy is also one that is more than happy to trade draft picks, so they might be willing to trade a pick inside 20 or to do some sort of pick upgrade.

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

I think that Armo is probably worth more the team that what we would get for him on the trade table. Unless we had a situation similar to the one suggested above. In previous years we've seen players such as Bernie Vince, Chris Dawes and Colin Sylvia rated as top 25 picks. I think Armitage's value would be close if not greater than their's. Either way he's clearly rated pretty highly by the club with one of the longest extensions we've seen recently (4 years til 2016) and a Top 5 finish in the B&F.

Worst post I think I have seen on BF.

As much as we might disagree with certain views and comments (and I know I'm far from bias when talking about my man) we should try to keep things a little more pleasant.

 

[Periphery]

Mac got us a fair bit more than pick 18. From memory he got us 18, Savage and an upgrade from 25 to 19, but I agree, I think they would jump at the chance to trade a pick like 18 for Dave, given they look like needing someone like him to play in the guts going forward. Roosy is also one that is more than happy to trade draft picks, so they might be willing to trade a pick inside 20 or to do some sort of pick upgrade.

I vaguely recall BrianSpeaking (I think it was you Brian, apologies if it wasn't) saying we nearly got pick 2 from the Demons last year before GWS snapped it up. It wouldn't surprise me if Armo was part of a package for that but who knows what else would have been involved.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Getting a top 20 pick for Armitage might also depend on what midfielders are out of contract from other clubs, could be better ones around that teams like Hawthorn (If the above happened), Melbourne etc could chase.

Obviously this is all just discussion who knows if we will even trade him or not, all i hope from David is he has a big break out year. I think the clock is ticking now

 

[Ian Dunross]

Funny how trading thinking goes, end of 2011 I imagine many externally and some internally would have happily traded Jack Steven for a pick in the 20-30 range.

I've got a sneaky feeling we could be talking about Rhys Stanley in the same way in a couple of years time. I think he's going to have an impact this season and grow from there. Still only 23 - same age as Jack in taller body (takes longer to grow into, etc).

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Funny how trading thinking goes, end of 2011 I imagine many externally and some internally would have happily traded Jack Steven for a pick in the 20-30 range.

I've got a sneaky feeling we could be talking about Rhys Stanley in the same way in a couple of years time. I think he's going to have an impact this season and grow from there. Still only 23 - same age as Jack in taller body (takes longer to grow into, etc).

I had Jarryn Geary down as a possible delistment in 2011.

 

[Ian Dunross]

I had Jarryn Geary down as a possible delistment in 2011.

I thought trading Roo to GC for a couple of first rounders last year was a good idea! Lord have mercy!

 

[aussierulesrules]

I vaguely recall BrianSpeaking (I think it was you Brian, apologies if it wasn't) saying we nearly got pick 2 from the Demons last year before GWS snapped it up. It wouldn't surprise me if Armo was part of a package for that but who knows what else would have been involved.

Yep, he did and then there was an article in one of the papers a week or two later that suggested that we'd thought we were a chance of getting our hands on that pick, so it would have been interesting to see what we would have given up, had a deal gone through. Armo probably a very strong chance to have been involved, as Roosy was desperate to strengthen their midfield and he likes contested ball. Brisbane also enquired about him last year when we were trading for Longer, I believe.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

While we are already talking 2014 trade period, i hope we are in Jonathon O'Rourke's ear all year long. Would love to try and get him considering how many midfielders GWS have.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Armitage is better than people are rating in here I think.

 

[Ekomaira]

Will there be a new thread or will this beast continue to grow?

 

[karaoke]

Armitage is better than people are rating in here I think.

I agree with this, not all midfielders will be out & out stars, you still need the 'workhorse' type,

As mentioned, Armitage needs to get more consistent with his performances & not go missing, then most on here would change there view,

(his SC ave would probably go up to ~105 too, IMO )

 

[aussierulesrules]

Will there be a new thread or will this beast continue to grow?

I dare say we'll start a new one. This thread really ran its race a couple of months ago, but it was the main thread we were discussing everything on for a couple of months there, and we didn't start up a new "general 2014 talk" type thread, to discuss the upcoming season in general, so talk that didn't fit into one of the other threads we had going just seems to end up here.

I think we could do with a general thread for the upcoming season and I was a bees dick away from starting one the other week, but then my computer froze and I lost the opening post that I'd written for it and I haven't gotten back to doing another one since. Then at some point I expect we'll start up a thread for the 2014 draft/trade/free agency period.

 

[DudleyB]

I like Armo a lot. Has to be worth a top 12 pick.

As for Stanley - until he at least dominates a VFL game Ill remain a skeptic. Would have happily taken a top 30 pick for him last year.

Lets hope I'm eating my words on this

 

[Ekomaira]

Nice mate.

Dare say this thread will take some beating!

 

[God Save Max King]

While we are already talking 2014 trade period, i hope we are in Jonathon O'Rourke's ear all year long. Would love to try and get him considering how many midfielders GWS have.

He's an interesting one, more likely to leave than others. Has he signed another contract?

 

[Periphery]

He's an interesting one, more likely to leave than others. Has he signed another contract?

According to http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/gws-players-contract-status.1008964/ he is out of contract at the end of this year.

 

[L_W_P]

Our first 2 picks, plus Armo, for Patton, ORourke and Sam Frost.

Thanks SOS

 

[Sunshine Saint]

When I start suggesting there's a heap of player's running around in the VFL better than a starting mid in the AFL come find me.

Is the Melbourne board still to depressing to go too? Surely its all champagne and nibbles there talking up Roos and what he will do with the high draft picks list you have?

 

[God Save Max King]

Our first 2 picks, plus Armo, for Patton, ORourke and Sam Frost.

Thanks SOS

Would not want to give away 2 top 20 picks & Armo for a forward with knee concerns and a midfielder that hasn't shown consistency at the highest level, especially with Wright at the top of this year's draft.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Would not want to give away 2 top 20 picks & Armo for a forward with knee concerns and a midfielder that hasn't shown consistency at the highest level, especially with Wright at the top of this year's draft.

A bit hard to show consistency at a high level when he has played one game and was injured most of 2013.

 

[God Save Max King]

A bit hard to show consistency at a high level when he has played one game and was injured most of 2013.

I acknowledge that and those reasons are why I wouldn't give up that much for a lot of the GWS players who aren't in the Best 22. Not playing best 22 footy does strange things to people.

 

[Periphery]

We should just offer GWS pick 41 for any out of contract players because we know they will end up taking pick 48 for them anyway.