2014: Your Club's Round 1 & Round 22 Teams

[Headless]

R1
Gibson - Schoenmakers - Duryea
Birchall - Stratton - Hodge
Smith - Lewis - Hill
Gunston - Hale - Burgoyne
Puopolo - Roughead - Breust
McEvoy - Lewis - Hallahan
Sewell - Anderson - Shiels - Grimely

How is old Grimely?

 

[eth-dog]

I'll give it a crack:

Hooker - Carlisle - Baguley
Dempsey - Hurley - Hibberd
Stanton - Watson - Goddard
Zaharakis - Fletcher - Chapman
Bellchambers - Daniher - Winderlich
Ryder - Heppell - Hocking
Melksham - Myers - Colyer - Merrett (sub)

With Melksham's suspension one of Kavanagh/Howlett/Dalgleish/O'Brien will be the sub and Merrett will be in the 21. I put Fletch forward because Carlisle/Hurley/Hooker is the 3 man combo for our future and need to gel, and we need a CHF so Fletch might as well play forward. He's not a best 22 defender anymore IMO

 

[Big Fresh]

Just because they're a top eight chance I'll do Gold Coast:
B: J. Harbrow, R. Thompson, T. McKenzie
HB: D. Swallow, S. Day, G. Broughton
C: H. Bennell, G. Ablett, J. Martin
HF: M. Shaw, S. May, B. Matera
F: C. Brown, C. Dixon, Z. Smith
R: T. Nicholls, D. Prestia, J. O'Meara
I/C: A. Hall, M. Rischitelli, L. Russell, J. Lonergan

 

[Big Fresh]

I'll give it a crack:

Hooker - Carlisle - Baguley
Dempsey - Hurley - Hibberd
Stanton - Watson - Goddard
Zaharakis - Fletcher - Chapman
Bellchambers - Daniher - Winderlich
Ryder - Heppell - Hocking
Melksham - Myers - Colyer - Merrett (sub)

With Melksham's suspension one of Kavanagh/Howlett/Dalgleish/O'Brien will be the sub and Merrett will be in the 21. I put Fletch forward because Carlisle/Hurley/Hooker is the 3 man combo for our future and need to gel, and we need a CHF so Fletch might as well play forward. He's not a best 22 defender anymore IMO

That would easily be the best back line in the league. The forward line looks decent as well, assuming Joe learns to kick straight, though I wouldn't count on them playing Fletch at CHF - but I agree that he's not best 22 unless he somehow improves from last season. He just looked lazy. We should definitely be aiming for a prelim with that line up.

 

[eth-dog]

That would easily be the best back line in the league. The forward line looks decent as well, assuming Joe learns to kick straight, though I wouldn't count on them playing Fletch at CHF - but I agree that he's not best 22 unless he somehow improves from last season. He just looked lazy. We should definitely be aiming for a prelim with that line up.

No way, Sydney's of:

Johnson - Grundy - Smith
Shaw - Teddy - Malceski

and Freo's of:

Duffield - Dawson - Spurr
Johnson - McPharlin - Ibbotson

are both comfortably better

 

[Krujan]

In: Thomas, Docherty

Round 1.
B: Kade Simpson, Michael Jamison, Andrew McInnes
HB: Sam Docherty, Matthew Watson, Zach Tuohy
C: Andrew Walker, Brock McLean, Dale Thomas
HF: Bryce Gibbs, Lachie Henderson, Troy Menzel
F: Matthew Kreuzer, Jarrad Waite, Jeff Garlett
Foll: Rob Warnock, Chris Judd, Marc Murphy
I/C: Ed Curnow, Andrew Carrazzo, Chris Yarran, Mitch Robinson

This would be my ideal Carlton starting 22 for Rd 1 2014.

 

[Big Fresh]

No way, Sydney's of:

Johnson - Grundy - Smith
Shaw - Teddy - Malceski

and Freo's of:

Duffield - Dawson - Spurr
Johnson - McPharlin - Ibbotson

are both comfortably better

Essendon v Sydney

Hurley v Grundy
Carlisle v Richards
Hooker v Johnson, though Johnson is underrated
I rate Hibberd higher than Malceski but I'll call that a tie, because it's close
Baguley and Smith also a tie
Dempsey v Shaw

Essendon v Fremantle
Hurley v Dawson

Carlisle v McPharlin
Hooker v Johnson
Hibberd v Ibbotson
Dempsey and Duffield a tie, though I'd pick Dempsey because he's quicker
I've never noticed Spurr so can't really make a judgement on him

Next year Hurley and Carlisle could well be the two best key defenders in the comp and I think Hibberd is already the best rebounding defender. Still stand by the claim that Essendon would have the best defence if it played those players down there.

Freo and Sydney have much better midfields, though.

 

[PACatter]

B: J Rivers, T Lonergan, C Guthrie
HB: A Mackie, H Taylor, C Enright
C: M Duncan, J Caddy, A Christensen
HF: M Stokes, N Vardy, S Motlop
F: J Bartel, T Hawkins, S Kersten
R: D Simpson, S Johnson, J Selwood
I: M Blicavs, J Kelly, G Horlin-Smith, J Murdoch
E: T Varcoe, H McIntosh, T Hunt, B Smedts, J Thurlow (3 of these)
With hope that Menzel will get back at some stage

I worry about our aging defenders, I think by 22 we see Murdoch and Thurlow starting, Mackie on interchange, Lonergan probably injured. Maybe see Hamling on the emergency list at some point.

Not sure about Kersten either, I think Josh Walker is more likely starting.

 

[eth-dog]

Essendon v Sydney

Hurley v Grundy
Carlisle v Richards
Hooker v Johnson, though Johnson is underrated
I rate Hibberd higher than Malceski but I'll call that a tie, because it's close
Baguley and Smith also a tie
Dempsey v Shaw

Essendon v Fremantle

Hurley v Dawson
Carlisle v McPharlin
Hooker v Johnson
Hibberd v Ibbotson
Dempsey and Duffield a tie, though I'd pick Dempsey because he's quicker
I've never noticed Spurr so can't really make a judgement on him

Next year Hurley and Carlisle could well be the two best key defenders in the comp and I think Hibberd is already the best rebounding defender. Still stand by the claim that Essendon would have the best defence if it played those players down there.

Freo and Sydney have much better midfields, though.

Hurley v Grundy
Carlisle v Richards
Hooker v Johnson
Hibberd vs Malceski tie
Baguley vs Smith
Dempsey v Shaw tie

Hurley vs Dawson
Carlisle v McPharlin
Hooker v Johnson
Hibberd v Ibbotson tie
Dempsey vs Duffield tie
Baguley vs Spurr


You're showing your bias mate. No way known is Baggers as good as Smith and Carlisle as good as Teddy. 3rd? Maybe. We'd be on par with Hawthorn and Geelong, probably slightly ahead of Hawthorn due to their only player who can take monsters is 32 and going to retire soon.

 

[Big Fresh]

Hurley v Grundy
Carlisle v Richards
Hooker v Johnson
Hibberd vs Malceski tie
Baguley vs Smith
Dempsey v Shaw tie

Hurley vs Dawson
Carlisle v McPharlin
Hooker v Johnson
Hibberd v Ibbotson tie
Dempsey vs Duffield tie
Baguley vs Spurr


You're showing your bias mate. No way known is Baggers as good as Smith and Carlisle as good as Teddy. 3rd? Maybe. We'd be on par with Hawthorn and Geelong, probably slightly ahead of Hawthorn due to their only player who can take monsters is 32 and going to retire soon.

There's little difference between Smith and Baguley - they both perform a role that can't really be remarkable. The best they can do, such is their role, is deliver a sound performance in which the small forward has minimal impact, and each succeeds in this. Let's look at their stats:
Baguley
Rebound 50s: 2.52
Disposal efficiency: 79.5%
Tackles: 2.81
Disposals: 16
Marks: 5.29
One percenters: 3.1

Smith
Rebound 50s: 1.9
Disposal efficiency: 78.4%
Tackles: 3.1
Disposals: 13.9
Marks: 3
One percenters: 3.2

Smith has been around longer and played in a good grand final and has therefore earned a better reputation, but he's really not much better, if at all, than Baguley

I'll concede that one could go either way, but Carlisle is certainly better than Richards. Don't you remember how good he was before he injured his back? Richards is good but overrated. He's maybe a better spoiler but Carlisle destroys him in terms of marks and disposal efficiency. Carlisle's also much more capable of clutch, game saving moments - he's more than just a role player as most defenders are. Also worth noting Carlisle is getting closer to his prime while Richards is moving away from it.

 

[eth-dog]

You don't use stats for small, lockdown defenders, unless it's goals conceded. Smith beats every kind of small or medium forward. Baguley still struggles with leading forwards like LeCras and Gia, but is excellent against players like Garlett and Ballantyne. Smith beats all of them.

Carlisle has fantastic potential. He's going to be a great defender. He's like Harry Taylor, but with one real flaw in his game as a defender; leading forwards. People who come at the ball rather than stand one-out in a contest. Teddy can beat all the types of key forwards, whether it be Franklin (not that he needs to anymore), Cloke, Petrie or any of them.

 

[kaisertorres]

Lewi

So with trades & signings starting to flow I thought it would be interesting to take a look at how some Round 1 teams might start to look? Also, how do you see your best 22 looking should everyone make it through the season injury free?

Obviously anything can happen between now and then (FA, Drafts & Pre Season injuries, *Buddy to do a knee in Ireland... etc)

Injury Implications...?
* R. Schoenmakers (Knee - Rd 1?)
% M. Suckling (Knee - Rd 1?)
# B. Whitecross (Knee - Rd 12-15?)

Hawthorn 2014 Round 1
FB: B. Stratton, J. Gibson, R. Schoenmakers
HB: S. Burgoyne, M. Suckling, G. Birchall,
C: I. Smith, S. Mitchell, J. Lewis
HF: L. Bruest, J. Roughead, B. Hill
FF: P. Puopolo, D. Hale, J. Gunston
R: B. McEvoy, M. Hallahan, L. Hodge ©

IC: J. Anderson, B. Sewell, J. Simpkin, L. Sheils

Hawthorn 2014 Best 22 (not in round 1)
FB: B. Stratton, B. Lake, R. Schoenmakers
HB: B. Whitecross, J. Gibson, M. Suckling
C: I. Smith, S. Mitchell, J. Lewis
HF: L. Bruest, J. Roughead, C. Rioli
FF: P. Puopolo, D. Hale, J. Gunston
R: B. McEvoy, G. Birchall, L. Hodge ©

IC: B. Sewell, J. Simpkin, S. Burgoyne, B. Hill

EMERGING / VFL / HOPING FOR INJURIES IN 22:
MIDS: M. Hallhan, L. Sheils, J. Anderson, A. Woodward, K. Cheney
TALLS:S. Grimley, M. Spangher, L. Lowden

TO RETIRE AFTER 2014

Surely --> Sewell, Burgoyne, Hale
+ if premiers --> Mitchell, Lewis, Lake

Positions are interesting - case for many changes, ins, outs etc - not sure of the makeup of the VFL side either. Regardless of the result - I am looking forward to another exciting year for Hawthorn!! #back2back

* it hurts okay...

Lewis WTF?

 

[kaisertorres]

How is old Grimely?

03/01/91 - 22 years old
Sam Grimley - 199cm 87Kg

 

[Sherrin4lyf]

Hi everyone, I'm new to Bigfooty!

 

[Janus]

Port Adelaide, as of right now, and assuming we do the trade for Polec:

FB: Tom Jonas, Alipate Carlile, Cameron O'Shea
HB: Matthew Broadbent, Jackson Trengove, Jasper Pittard
C: Justin Westhoff, Andrew Moore, Hamish Hartlett
HF: Chad Wingard, Jay Schulz, Jared Polec
FF: Angus Monfries, John Butcher, Robbie Gray
R: Matt Lobbe, Travis Boak, Oliver Wines

I/C: Kane Cornes, Matt White, Jarrad Redden (Tom Logan)

EMG: Jake Neade, Aaron Young, Cam Newton

 

[TheTigerEffect]

FB: Morris Rance Grimes
HB: Houli Chaplin Deledio
C: Grigg Jackson Ellis
HF: Martin Vickery Knights
FF: Maric Riewoldt King
RK: Hampson Cotchin Conca

Int: Vlastuin S.Edwards Newman
Sub: Foley

Emg: Arnot, McBean, Petterd

Expect McBean to play at least 10 games next season and Arnot could lock his spot in the team, in place of Newman.

 

[TheKanga]

North's round 1 side

FB - Hansen - Firrito - Grima
HB - Atley - Thompson - Mullett
C - Bastinac - Wells - Dal Santo
HF - Harvey - Tarrant - Harper
FF - Thomas - Petrie - Black
R - Goldstein - Ziebell - Cunnington
INT - Gibson - Adams - Mcdonald - Mckenzie

North's round 22 side

FB - Hansen - Thompson - Mullett
HB - Mcdonald - Grima - Atley
C - Wells - Cunnington - Dal Santo
HF - Harper - Black - Adams
FF - Thomas - Petrie - Daw
R - Goldstein - Swallow - Ziebell
INT - Gibson - Mckenzie - Bastinac - Harvey (sub)

 

[Cynic]

Why will Mitchell miss round 1?

Because I am an idiot and he will pay for my ignorance

 

[Heaps of fun]

Because I am an idiot and he will pay for my ignorance

Dropped after that Grand Final performance!

 

[_RT_]

Round 1
B: Steve Morris Alex Rance Dylan Grimes
HB: Bachar Houli Troy Chaplin Nick Vlastuin
C: Brandon Ellis Daniel Jackson Shaun Grigg
HF: Chris Knights Ty Vickery Brett Deledio
F: Jake King Jack Riewoldt Ivan Maric
R: Shaun Hampson Trent Cotchin Dustin Martin
INT: Chris Newman Shane Edwards Reece Conca Nathan Foley

Round 23
B: Steve Morris Alex Rance Dylan Grimes
HB: Bachar Houli Troy Chaplin Jake Batchelor/Matt Dea
C: Brandon Ellis Daniel Jackson Shaun Grigg
HF: Dustin Martin Ty Vickery Brett Deledio
F: Shane Edwards Jack Riewoldt Ivan Maric
R: Shaun Hampson Trent Cotchin Reece Conca
INT: Nick Vlastuin Matt Mcdonough Matt Arnot Brad Helbig

Bit of a generational change being made, with Batchelor/Dea, Mcdonough, Arnot & Helbig coming in to replace aging players in Newman Foley King & Knights who will still give us experience to fall back on.

 

[Mitchell54]

Dropped after that Grand Final performance!

Mitchell had a good grand final performance and did his role he was given.