2015 Draft, Trades and Free Agency rumours.

[Taylor]

We don't. Not at all.

Maybe he is a journalist and has a really unfunny pun lined up if McStay decides to McLeave.

The headline writes itself.

 

[Milux]

Maybe he is a journalist and has a really unfunny pun lined up if McStay decides to McLeave.

The headline writes itself.

I'd hate it if he up and Mcleft.

 

[captainrich]

Say Aish nominates the Blues and we finish last, you'd take 19 in a heartbeat.

Considering you want 10-15, 19 wouldn't be massive unders anyway. Maybe a 3rd/4th round pick upgrade would bridge the gap.

Salary cap wouldn't be a problem and we know SOS is bringing in plenty of young talent this season. Make it happen.



Think I read that Geelong have offered their first rounder (8-10?) for Hendo. Would probably take that offer over Aish, but surely Geelong would back themselves in the draft as a rebuild looks imminent.

you need Aish to want to go to Carlton in the first place...which I dont see happenning given all the other clubs interssted

 

[captainrich]

What's McStay worth?
early Second rounder?
Any teams be interested in him?

why would we traded him?

 

[captainrich]

Yes but he wasn't earlier in the year when he couldn't get a game in a bottom side. If it's form based, and he genuinely can't get a game, then they should be happy with a 3rd round pick. If he's good enough and was being treated poorly, they run a risk of getting unders if he leaves. Either way, they need to look at the way they maximize their return from him, either as a player or as a trade target.

geez couple of good wins this season and the dogs fans are barking again. 3rd round youre having a laugh, every player has their downs and their ups doesnt mean they are instantly hopeless and worth a 3rd round pick, he just had a bad start to the year, second year blues

 

[Pannalstaroz]

What's McStay worth?
early Second rounder?
Any teams be interested in him?

16-25 and yes. KPP who can play at the level will always have interest

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Firstly. We won't be getting near a first round pick for him unfortunately he may be worth it but just won't happen.

Secondly. The kid has struggled for form and consistency in the magoos and had found it difficult in the seniors before playing out the saints game with a fractured jaw (mighty effort).

I want him to stay cause he will be a classy outsider but if he doesn't want to be here than so be it. Get what we can and move on like we did with the other boys that went home in 13.

Don't mean to sound like I'm having a go at you but try and get a grasp on what other clubs are actually doing before making up stuff like that. I'd love to see him back playing seniors because that's where he belongs but he has to play to a standard and can't get gifted games cause I think his head is big enough as it is.

Hang on, I qualified my statement. If it is as simple as he can't find a performance at the level, then yes, you'll get a 2nd rounder for him.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

geez couple of good wins this season and the dogs fans are barking again. 3rd round youre having a laugh, every player has their downs and their ups doesnt mean they are instantly hopeless and worth a 3rd round pick, he just had a bad start to the year, second year blues

Can you Brisbane supporters work out whether he's not good enough or having a bad season? I'll repeat what I said. If he's not good enough, get what you can, my view is that he is good enough and his value is somewhere between 14-25 depending on who wants him and how much. It'd be good if he stayed with you guys.

And drop the Dogs bullshit. This has got nothing to do with the Dogs or the Lions, it's about the value of a player who no one seems to be able to accurately describe, even those who watch him every week.

 

[Milux]

Hang on, I qualified my statement. If it is as simple as he can't find a performance at the level, then yes, you'll get a 2nd rounder for him.

Just read that. My apolgese.

 

[MightyDons4]

What's McStay worth?
early Second rounder?
Any teams be interested in him?

Deal

 

[Dogsman16]

What's McStay worth?
early Second rounder?
Any teams be interested in him?

Where do I sign.

I'd offer our first rounder for McStay and Brisbane's second rounder giving Brisbane 2 top 10 picks.

Rate him highly and he would slot straight into CHF.

Tom Boyd's best mate too!!

 

[The 747]

Think I read that Geelong have offered their first rounder (8-10?) for Hendo. Would probably take that offer over Aish, but surely Geelong would back themselves in the draft as a rebuild looks imminent.

If we offer our first for him we are high on our own supply. But that wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Milux]

Where do I sign.

I'd offer our first rounder for McStay and Brisbane's second rounder giving Brisbane 2 top 10 picks.

Rate him highly and he would slot straight into CHF.

Tom Boyd's best mate too!!

That would be solid in a few years time. Really hoping we can keep him.

 

[carnthemlions]

What's McStay worth?
early Second rounder?
Any teams be interested in him?

Can we put you up for trade instead?

Yes but he wasn't earlier in the year when he couldn't get a game in a bottom side. If it's form based, and he genuinely can't get a game, then they should be happy with a 3rd round pick. If he's good enough and was being treated poorly, they run a risk of getting unders if he leaves. Either way, they need to look at the way they maximize their return from him, either as a player or as a trade target.

He was in and out of the side- a bit different from not being able to get a game at all.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Can we put you up for trade instead?

He was in and out of the side- a bit different from not being able to get a game at all.

With all due respect, in and out of an average side is Jason Tutt. If this is the measurement, he's not worth much, is he? I think he's better than that but the market may say if he can't get a regular game at the Lions, is he worth much at all? Fwiw I don't agree with that, and I'd like him, but I think he's been mismanaged as a player, or alternatively mismanaged as a trade target. If the Lions think he's gone, they should be trying to maximise his trade value.

 

[captainrich]

Can you Brisbane supporters work out whether he's not good enough or having a bad season? I'll repeat what I said. If he's not good enough, get what you can, my view is that he is good enough and his value is somewhere between 14-25 depending on who wants him and how much. It'd be good if he stayed with you guys.

And drop the Dogs bullshit. This has got nothing to do with the Dogs or the Lions, it's about the value of a player who no one seems to be able to accurately describe, even those who watch him every week.

happy for him to go if he doesn't want to be here, the clubs done everything to fit him and keep it, but apparently he wants to be around the footy culture of Victoria so not a whole lot we can do when someone has a big head like Karneziz.

Top 10 pick with 2 years development we should be looking to get picks between 10 to 20, there is no reason to say he is a third rounder though

 

[Pannalstaroz]

happy for him to go if he doesn't want to be here, the clubs done everything to fit him and keep it, but apparently he wants to be around the footy culture of Victoria so not a whole lot we can do when someone has a big head like Karneziz.

Top 10 pick with 2 years development we should be looking to get picks between 10 to 20, there is no reason to say he is a third rounder though

As if I was being serious about him being a 3rd rounder. I've said repeatedly he's 16-25

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Top 10 pick with 2 years development we should be looking to get picks between 10 to 20, there is no reason to say he is a third rounder though

Then start playing him so you don't stuff his trade value. If a player can't get a game in a bottom 4 side you are not getting fair value. Just won't happen. At this stage a pick around 20 is probably his value. If he plays at AFL level and does okay towards the backend you might get somewhere in the 13-20 range.

 

[carnthemlions]

With all due respect, in and out of an average side is Jason Tutt. If this is the measurement, he's not worth much, is he? I think he's better than that but the market may say if he can't get a regular game at the Lions, is he worth much at all? Fwiw I don't agree with that, and I'd like him, but I think he's been mismanaged as a player, or alternatively mismanaged as a trade target. If the Lions think he's gone, they should be trying to maximise his trade value.

He had a slow start to the year- was dropped twice after poor performances(not uncommon for 2nd year players). Strung 3 games together, broke his jaw. Not a great year so far, but that doesn't somehow make his trade value equivalent to that of someone like Jared Polec(injury prone, lazy, only 16 games in 3 years at the lions- surely the market should've seen his worth as a 3rd/4th rounder?).
I thinking you're jumping the gun a little here.

Then start playing him so you don't stuff his trade value. If a player can't get a game in a bottom 4 side you are not getting fair value. Just won't happen. At this stage a pick around 20 is probably his value. If he plays at AFL level and does okay towards the backend you might get somewhere in the 13-20 range.

He did break his jaw you know...
Bit hard to play him at the moment.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He did break his jaw you know...
Bit hard to play him at the moment.

You dropped him after 1 bad game. Earth to the Lions...young players can't be superstars every week. Injury was unfortunate, but should be played every match after injury.

 

[Taylor]

Brisbane isn't going to manage it's player group in a way that builds their value for trade 2-3 years post draft.

If it did that it would become just another development academy for other clubs to get a close look at players prior to the inevitable poach.

 

[captainrich]

Then start playing him so you don't stuff his trade value. If a player can't get a game in a bottom 4 side you are not getting fair value. Just won't happen. At this stage a pick around 20 is probably his value. If he plays at AFL level and does okay towards the backend you might get somewhere in the 13-20 range.

use your head mate. he is out injured

 

[L Dizz]

With all due respect, in and out of an average side is Jason Tutt. If this is the measurement, he's not worth much, is he? I think he's better than that but the market may say if he can't get a regular game at the Lions, is he worth much at all? Fwiw I don't agree with that, and I'd like him, but I think he's been mismanaged as a player, or alternatively mismanaged as a trade target. If the Lions think he's gone, they should be trying to maximise his trade value.

Does that mean Jackson Macrae is worth substantially less because was dropped earlier this year? Of course not. Young players are regularly sent back to the two's to work on things, whether they're in a good team or not. It doesn't mean they're no good or the club is mismanaging them. You don't play guys just so their trade value is better or so they hang around. You do what's going to make them the best possible player long term. If that means spending a week or two in the reserves to work on tackling or whatever, so be it.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Does that mean Jackson Macrae is worth substantially less because was dropped earlier this year? Of course not. Young players are regularly sent back to the two's to work on things, whether they're in a good team or not. It doesn't mean they're no good or the club is mismanaging them. You don't play guys just so their trade value is better or so they hang around. You do what's going to make them the best possible player long term. If that means spending a week or two in the reserves to work on tackling or whatever, so be it.

If Macrae didn't have runs on the board, and was in and out of our team, I'd say yes, that does lessen his value. Look at Lin Jong. I accept one's a rookie upgrade and the other's a top 10 pick, but perception is everything and whilst Jong has shown he can be a serviceable contributor at AFL player, he's never going to command a great pick. Aish is in exactly the same boat other than the fact he's a top 10 pick which gives him more opportunity. Unless he can come in for the rest of the season, and command a position I think he deserves, you could quite easily be bent over at the trade table again.

I accept in most circumstances that bettering a player if he is going to another club is ludicrous, however not playing him and getting a pick 10 positions below where he should go because you decide cracking the shits is a better solution, is equally ludicrous.

 

[eth-dog]

Can't see alot of clubs wanting either. Bellchambers maybe because he is a ruckman but his form has been putrid. Dempsey will be 28 at the end of the year and has been average also with off field troubles.

Revealed to have had stress fractures in his foot today. Clubs may look at him purely because if they get him right it's a big win. Essendon injury mismanagement strikes again