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I’d trade Travaglia for Fin. Not Tauru.

I’ve said it on your board. On mine and on here.

I rate this kid highly. I’ve seen him play and the sky is the limit for him. (Concerns with his body holding up so would be happy if we took it slow with him for 12-18 months).

I’m not losing sight of anything. It’s copium to say well we have FOS so it doesn’t look bad. It’s a terrible trade because fos has nothing to do with it. You already had him before that trade was made.

There was no need for North to part with that pick. The trade is a pass of Whitlock becomes a star.

That’s unfair on the kid - in my eyes.
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I’d trade Travaglia for Fin. Not Tauru.

I’ve said it on your board. On mine and on here.

I rate this kid highly. I’ve seen him play and the sky is the limit for him. (Concerns with his body holding up so would be happy if we took it slow with him for 12-18 months).

I’m not losing sight of anything. It’s copium to say well we have FOS so it doesn’t look bad. It’s a terrible trade because fos has nothing to do with it. You already had him before that trade was made.

There was no need for North to part with that pick. The trade is a pass of Whitlock becomes a star.

That’s unfair on the kid - in my eyes.
Wouldn’t trade Tauru for Finn.
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Yep, that's the mindset that gets you 27 spoons.
Lets see what the next decade or 2 brings when the Father son and academy prices start to look fairer and other clubs start to use outside sponsors to avoid cap pressure.

I mean… west coast related entities only just started crowing about the lions getting Ashcroft.

Another 1-2 years sucking eggs at the foot of the ladder and all of a sudden it won’t be lowly little st Kilda kicking up a fuss.
 
Lets see what the next decade or 2 brings when the Father son and academy prices start to look fairer and other clubs start to use outside sponsors to avoid cap pressure.

I mean… west coast related entities only just started crowing about the lions getting Ashcroft.

Another 1-2 years sucking eggs at the foot of the ladder and all of a sudden it won’t be lowly little st Kilda kicking up a fuss.
Yep. I bet when everything's fair it'll finally be St Kilda's turn.
 
Still doesn’t make the trade better though does it?
North really need to finish above tenth for it to make sense.

but Tigers were linked to the player North took, so they did need to pay overs.

I would rather hold Norths future first than Essendon or Melbourne's.
And Whitlock isn't a midfielder he is a big guy, so unlikely to help them rise up the ladder next year as will take time.
Also not sure North taking another mid early was the right option. But I guess they can say they took a KPP player too that they must have rated highly internally.
 
Semantics in the bolded mate.

I'm choosing to see the upside in the trade. Did I like it at the time? Absolutely losing my mind when it happened.
But, in the cold light of day, it's not the shocker you are painting it out to be. If we didn't have tigers F2 it would be 10X worse in my mind as we can now use that tonight, possibly. I get what Brady is trying to do. What you are losing sight of is we picked up Finn O'Sullivan, who looks ridiculous to me. I'm tipping you'd trade Tauru for Finn right now, clearly we didn't think the opposite way.
I think the Daniel trade is the real "reverse-pineapple" here, as it left us pretty open, but if Whitlock turns out like Richmond's Tom Lynch, or similar, then I'm ok....but that's a big if if we took him at pick 10 or 27 isn't it?

Think you are letting your club off a bit lightly.
They did the Daniel trade knowing that there would likely be talls who suit a need available with that selection.

Regardless of whether Whitlock become Tom Lynch or similar, if you had a consistent strategy heading into the trade/draft period you wouldn't have traded that pick away. You'd have FOS and Whitlock and still have a future F1.

I don't think it's a disaster but it not great management.
 

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Finn isn’t the type of mid I would have wanted. Great talent.

But I rate the potential of Tauru as high as anyone. I said as much on your board the other week.
SO the saints were offering 7 + F1 for Tauru? How lucky things fell your way mate. Come on.

I LOVE Tauru dude, could be anything, but he just wasn't pick 2. You HAVE to take the best avail at 2. We should both be happy. The draft as a whole is the draft, not just one pick.....let's see what happens from here. You are just keen to bag North....that's ok, but don't expect no clips back
 
SO the saints were offering 7 + F1 for Tauru? How lucky things fell your way mate. Come on.

I LOVE Tauru dude, could be anything, but he just wasn't pick 2. You HAVE to take the best avail at 2. We should both be happy. The draft as a whole is the draft, not just one pick.....let's see what happens from here. You are just keen to bag North....that's ok, but don't expect no clips back
I don’t think Finn was the mid my club wanted.

I think they wanted someone who was more a pure mid like a Langford Jagga or Draper.
 
May be in the minority but saints snagging Tauru at 10 would be a very good result? I’d be very pleased if he got to Melbourne’s second pick, just don’t want him at 5
Yeah no complaints at all from me, he could be anything, and play anywhere.

Was restricted to just two Coates League games last year due to injury and then missed a chunk of footy early this year as well, then exploded in the back half.

Also worth noting that given he only turned 18 a few days ago, so he’s almost a year younger than guys like Jagga and Bo Allan, is a year behind them at school, and looks to still be growing.

So he’s probably only just scratching the surface of what he’s capable of.
 
Think you are letting your club off a bit lightly.
They did the Daniel trade knowing that there would likely be talls who suit a need available with that selection.

Regardless of whether Whitlock become Tom Lynch or similar, if you had a consistent strategy heading into the trade/draft period you wouldn't have traded that pick away. You'd have FOS and Whitlock and still have a future F1.

I don't think it's a disaster but it not great management.
Couldn't agree more mate....I wouldn't have done the Daniel trade......think that's a major issue. I personally don't think Daniel helped at all in that trade, by sitting on the fence. SO we end up over-paying.
I would also have let Zurhaar go, for Band 1 or Band 2, but that's me........and others.
I don't think we have the best operators in place, it's almost like you now need an economics degree to be in the position Rawlings is in. Not just "know" footy. He's out of his depth, iMO, but he's not operating alone.
I'd be happy to see a change there, but you get what you get.
It's no use shouting at the clouds, gotta try and see the upside and what they are trying to do.
 
Yeah no complaints at all from me, he could be anything, and play anywhere.

Was restricted to just two Coates League games last year due to injury and then missed a chunk of footy early this year as well, then exploded in the back half.

Also worth noting that given he only turned 18 a few days ago, so he’s almost a year younger than guys like Jagga and Bo Allan, is a year behind them at school, and looks to still be growing.

So he’s probably only just scratching the surface of what he’s capable of.
You can't teach that bravery in the air....not many have it to just launch from anywhere....he's gunna stand on plenty of heads. Exciting prospect for supporters....One of those change ends each quarter types.
 
Think you are letting your club off a bit lightly.
They did the Daniel trade knowing that there would likely be talls who suit a need available with that selection.

Regardless of whether Whitlock become Tom Lynch or similar, if you had a consistent strategy heading into the trade/draft period you wouldn't have traded that pick away. You'd have FOS and Whitlock and still have a future F1.

I don't think it's a disaster but it not great management.
Yep could have offered F2 for Daniel, would have likely solved it. Dogs wanted him gone anyway.
 
Couldn't agree more mate....I wouldn't have done the Daniel trade......think that's a major issue. I personally don't think Daniel helped at all in that trade, by sitting on the fence. SO we end up over-paying.
I would also have let Zurhaar go, for Band 1 or Band 2, but that's me........and others.
I don't think we have the best operators in place, it's almost like you now need an economics degree to be in the position Rawlings is in. Not just "know" footy. He's out of his depth, iMO, but he's not operating alone.
I'd be happy to see a change there, but you get what you get.
It's no use shouting at the clouds, gotta try and see the upside and what they are trying to do.

This is a very fair take.

I think it's tough when you've struggled for a while. Cannot be understated how important it is for all the decision makers to be on the same page. Trading out Zurhaar looks like a strong option in hindsight, seeing what compo the teams got for Battle, Perryman & Co. But if he wants to stay, he does offer something different to your mix.

Parker I can see the benefit of, and the price was right. But the idea of bringing Daniel in to allow mckercher to play mid looks silly now when you bring in Parker & Fos to a side that already has LDU, Sheezel, Wardlaw.

You've got some really good talent - things will absolutely turn but this looks like an own goal which definitely doesn't help and it puts everyone under even more pressure if it doesn't go well.
 
Yep could have offered F2 for Daniel, would have likely solved it. Dogs wanted him gone anyway.

That would also seem to be consistent with them rating this years draft. FOS & Whitlock this year.
F1 best available next year, or use it to trade for a gun if you feel like you have enough talent.
 
You can't teach that bravery in the air....not many have it to just launch from anywhere....he's gunna stand on plenty of heads. Exciting prospect for supporters....One of those change ends each quarter types.
Yeah there’s a lot of Trevor Barker and Nick Riewoldt about the way he flies for those marks.

Like them, he’s also of course blonde, so I think we had to do it!
 
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/11/19/sens-final-2024-afl-phantom-draft

SEN are now just trolling saints fans:

Pick 1. (Richmond) – Sam Lalor
Pick 2. (North Melbourne) – Finn O’Sullivan
Pick 3. (Carlton) – Sid Draper
Pick 4. (Brisbane) – Levi Ashcroft
Pick 5. (Adelaide) – Jagga Smith
Pick 6. (Melbourne) – Harvey Langford
Pick 7. (Richmond) – Josh Smillie
Pick 8. (St Kilda) – Harry Armstrong
Pick 9. (St Kilda) – Tobie Travaglia
Pick 10. (Gold Coast) – Leo Lombard
Pick 11. (Melbourne) – Alixzander Tauru
Pick 12. (Richmond) – Jobe Shanahan
Pick 13. (Richmond) – Xavier Lindsay
Pick 14. (West Coast) – Bo Allan
Pick 15. (Port Adelaide) – Murphy Reid
Pick 16. (Fremantle) – Joe Berry
Pick 17. (Essendon) – Isaac Kako
Pick 18. (GWS) – Luke Trainor
Pick 19. (GWS) – Taj Hotton
Pick 20. (Western Bulldogs) – Cooper Hynes
Pick 21. (Richmond) – Jesse Dattoli
Pick 22. (Sydney) – Matt Whitlock
Pick 23. (Richmond) – Jack Whitlock
Pick 24. (GWS) – Tom Gross
Pick 25. (Sydney) – Jonty Faull
Pick 26. (Richmond) – Christian Moraes
why? they got half of their picks right. just went to Tauru, a better player than Armstrong. Saints killed it.
 
Out of the 25 draftees, in the class photo, Harvey Langford was the only one not smiling. He makes Dusty look like a class clown. I hope the dees did plenty of character research because I'm a little concerned. Sure there's people with flat affect but when the photographer says 'okay, now a big smile everyone' and Langford doesn't twitch at all, it's borderline psychopathic.

Wasn't even happy with his friends.
 

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