Rumour Draft Rumours 2024 - No rumours allowed

[blaisee]

Looking forward to the apologies I deserve

Trading into the 2024 draft was always going to be very expensive

Said Nth had made a mess of their draft strategy, in the end the did the best they could with what they had on the night, but they paid a heavy premium for it

Looking forward to extracting maximum value from our first pick tonight

Could be a F1

Or a F2 + a slide back later into 2024

Money is on Essendon and West Coast blinking, Hawthorn West Coast, Melbourne and Essendon F1 in play

 

[tigs2010]

Tigers will be hoping it’s WC wouldn’t they?



Although going by Tigers lately it’ll be Cats and Cats will finally fall off the cliff.

WC probably have Hawks pick. Reckon Bombers if they do like Shanahan.

 

[A Bit Dusty]

I'm betting on the Cats.

It won't be the Cats only in their Dreams.

 

[sr36]

It won't be the Cats only in their Dreams.

It's such an even comp that the way I see it Cats is worth about the same as 10 other clubs with Saints, Melb, Essendon, Adelaide worth a bit more and then the bottom 3.

I doubt Essendon will be interested, they've got 3 decent picks not that far away and own 2 of the higher value ones. You can't get the North deal from WCE as your F2 is gone.

Hawks F1 via WCE a possibility but worth the same as Cats, and talk that F1 is about trade next year.

Cats look the most likely to me. But who knows a team may live someone still available and pay a heap. Or you might use it yourself or get an F2 and a decent pick in this draft for your last spot - Essendon would be likely for that.

 

[A Bit Dusty]

It's such an even comp that the way I see it Cats is worth about the same as 10 other clubs with Saints, Melb, Essendon, Adelaide worth a bit more and then the bottom 3.

I doubt Essendon will be interested, they've got 3 decent picks not that far away and own 2 of the higher value ones. You can't get the North deal from WCE as your F2 is gone.

Hawks F1 via WCE a possibility but worth the same as Cats, and talk that F1 is about trade next year.

Cats look the most likely to me. But who knows a team may live someone still available and pay a heap. Or you might use it yourself or get an F2 and a decent pick in this draft for your last spot - Essendon would be likely for that.

I doubt we are going try and get a later pick and we aren't going to trade it to any team who is a good chance of finishing Top 4 next year. It will probably be a team with a couple of F1 picks and there are only 3 teams GCS,WC & the Bombers.
GCS want theirs for academy picks and West Coast might let the (Hawks F1) go but I doubt they would trade their own F1.
The Bombers have theirs & the Demons and both could finish outside the 8 so I think the Tigers would be looking at one of those picks.

 

[sr36]

I doubt we are going try and get a later pick and we aren't going to trade it to any team who is a good chance of finishing Top 4 next year. It will probably be a team with a couple of F1 picks and there are only 3 teams GCS,WC & the Bombers.
GCS want theirs for academy picks and West Coast might let the (Hawks F1) go but I doubt they would trade their own F1.
The Bombers have theirs & the Demons and both could finish outside the 8 so I think the Tigers would be looking at one of those picks.

A lot of teams are a good chance of top 4. You could get lucky with Essendon loving someone who is left and considering your pick a must have. But it looks a bit like the North situation at the start of the draft - really even with a lot of good prospects and thus teams with picks not that far away not likely to pay a heap to move up. Which is where I think the Dons probably are. And if they do want to move up desperately, they're a decent chance of packaging 2 picks for a higher one.

They best play might be to trade it down a couple of times for a couple of F2 and then take a kid you rate at whatever stage it gets to or you might even end up with 3 F2. Which with the new DVI will probably get you a decent and known first next year.

 

[stavro#4]

In North's defence, for all we know they could have had Whitlock as 12 on their board for example, so in their eyes they've probably considered it F1 for "12" (27) and F2.

Top 15 - so yeah let’s call it 12.

Irrespective.

The point is, if you said to a north fan - pick 27 and 19 in 2025 for your F1 that’s likely top 5 and you can draft the kid you rate at 12.

They would have told you how they aren’t closing the doors and moving to Perth and how that pick is worth multiple first rounders and the premiums blah blah blah.



The crows won 8 games and they had pick 4.

The next 3 sides won 11.

North have won 15 1/2 games in the last 5 years.

Happy to be corrected here but I don’t believe they have won more than 5 games in a season since 2019.

It’s a gamble with the odds stacked against them.

 

[LB2Snake]

Top 15 - so yeah let’s call it 12.

Irrespective.

The point is, if you said to a north fan - pick 27 and 19 in 2025 for your F1 that’s likely top 5 and you can draft the kid you rate at 12.

They would have told you how they aren’t closing the doors and moving to Perth and how that pick is worth multiple first rounders and the premiums blah blah blah.



The crows won 8 games and they had pick 4.

The next 3 sides won 11.

North have won 15 1/2 games in the last 5 years.

Happy to be corrected here but I don’t believe they have won more than 5 games in a season since 2019.

It’s a gamble with the odds stacked against them.

Mate I think most North fans know we aren't climbing out of bottom 4, but there's gotta be a glimmer of hope that something turns at some stage doesn't there? We are a bit broken from our previous 5 years, but hope is what we have.
We took the gun mid and then a highly rate KPP......who knows with the KPP? Think we will be trying to roll those two F2's together tonight, seems to be the plan by the club to make stuff happen now.

 

[King Patty]

Or a F2 + a slide back later into 2024

Money is on Essendon and West Coast blinking, Hawthorn West Coast, Melbourne and Essendon F1 in play

I would totally offer 37 + F2 for 28.

Tigers picking top talent and dont really want key forwards Already got Armstrong & Faull) and replace F2 they lost to North. would seem tempting.
Dogs have 2 close picks they wont want to mvoe up, don't think eagles either, probably get a WA player.

Hawks love moving up. A lot depends on who Tigers have their eye on though.
They don't really need Shanahan or Whitlock.

 

[stavro#4]

Mate I think most North fans know we aren't climbing out of bottom 4, but there's gotta be a glimmer of hope that something turns at some stage doesn't there? We are a bit broken from our previous 5 years, but hope is what we have.
We took the gun mid and then a highly rate KPP......who knows with the KPP? Think we will be trying to roll those two F2's together tonight, seems to be the plan by the club to make stuff happen now.

My point is more that - that isn’t a trade that gives a glimmer of hope.

You might aswell have gone balls deep during trade period and traded ****ing everything for essendons pick 9.

Atleast that’s arguably a glimmer of hope trade.

There was numerous options your club could have taken in the last 6 weeks and you chose to hold pick 2 and then sell a future top 5 pick for magic beans.

I’m not happy my club didn’t land a blue chip mid. But I’m stoked they didn’t do what’s Rawlings & Co chose to do to you last night.

 

[hawkinoz]

I would totally offer 37 + F2 for 28.

Tigers picking top talent and dont really want key forwards Already got Armstrong & Faull) and replace F2 they lost to North. would seem tempting.
Dogs have 2 close picks they wont want to mvoe up, don't think eagles either, probably get a WA player.

Hawks love moving up. A lot depends on who Tigers have their eye on though.
They don't really need Shanahan or Whitlock.

Most of Hawks key targets are gone, so doubt we will want to move up using f1. Don't even thing using F2 is on cards.

More likely we move down & try and grab a F2, likely to get same type to players over the next 15 picks.

 

[blaisee]

Most of Hawks key targets are gone, so doubt we will want to move up using f1. Don't even thing using F2 is on cards.

More likely we move down & try and grab a F2, likely to get same type to players over the next 15 picks.

Carlton futures and Geelong futures are the least interesting of all the options

Good to see you have seen the light, couple of weeks ago you where convinced a Carlton F2 was going to get you a teen pick in this draft

Delusional

 

[Mostyn]

My point is more that - that isn’t a trade that gives a glimmer of hope.

You might aswell have gone balls deep during trade period and traded ****ing everything for essendons pick 9.

Atleast that’s arguably a glimmer of hope trade.

There was numerous options your club could have taken in the last 6 weeks and you chose to hold pick 2 and then sell a future top 5 pick for magic beans.

I’m not happy my club didn’t land a blue chip mid. But I’m stoked they didn’t do what’s Rawlings & Co chose to do to you last night.

This could be the rarely seen shithouse offseason for both St Kilda AND North.

 

[stavro#4]

This could be the rarely seen shithouse offseason for both St Kilda AND North.

We didn’t land a blue chip mid.

But we still took 2 blue chip talents - without doing anything stupid.

Hardly shithouse. There is a facet that is disappointing. But we have a list that is 50% made up of 1-3 year players after tonight and tomorrow.

We have a lot of talent and blue chip talent. However glaringly, yes we don’t have a mid that can be described as that.

Maybe Phillipou will be in 12 months? His end to the season was very ****ing good.

 

[LB2Snake]

My point is more that - that isn’t a trade that gives a glimmer of hope.

You might aswell have gone balls deep during trade period and traded ****ing everything for essendons pick 9.

Atleast that’s arguably a glimmer of hope trade.

There was numerous options your club could have taken in the last 6 weeks and you chose to hold pick 2 and then sell a future top 5 pick for magic beans.

I’m not happy my club didn’t land a blue chip mid. But I’m stoked they didn’t do what’s Rawlings & Co chose to do to you last night.

You kidn??
Melbourne gave up a lot to Bombres, not just their F1.

We trade out of 2, to what was reported to be picks 10+18, and not only is FOS gone but so is Tauru.

Someone posted this on our board:
Tauru and next years First
or
FOS and Whitlock and a F2.

*Granted we would have got another late teens pick, but you gotta be kidding if you think we gave away everything for magic beans.

We tried trading our F1 from pick 8 onwards, by reports.....you could've taken it at 8 or 9, but ya didn't, you know why?........... Because there's no guarantees in life.

I actually think other clubs think we are going to improve, which gives me some hope they might be right. I certainly don't feel it though, but I'll be f*n ecstatic if they are right and I'm wrong.

I also don't think we get the F2 if we traded our F1 earlier, but again I have no idea.

Maybe Saints should've taken our F1 at 8, we will see.

Just enjoy what you've got mate and quit sh!t-canning other clubs, it looks ordinary.

 

[juss]

I would totally offer 37 + F2 for 28.

Tigers picking top talent and dont really want key forwards Already got Armstrong & Faull) and replace F2 they lost to North. would seem tempting.
Dogs have 2 close picks they wont want to mvoe up, don't think eagles either, probably get a WA player.

Hawks love moving up. A lot depends on who Tigers have their eye on though.
They don't really need Shanahan or Whitlock.

I think we'd get better offers than that tbh, or to be fair, I reckon we could take another prospect this year, even if we're happy there's bound to be another kid we'd rate ahead of that, like I wonder if we didn't like the offers if we'd just round out our draft hand with Dodson as the best ruck, that's a pretty balanced draft haul and not much we really missed.

2x big midfielders
1x small mid/ hybrid forward
2x KPFs
1x KPD

Could top it off with 1x ruck and it rounds out nicely.

 

[stavro#4]

You kidn??
Melbourne gave up a lot to Bombres, not just their F1.

We trade out of 2, to what was reported to be picks 10+18, and not only is FOS gone but so is Tauru.

Someone posted this on our board:
Tauru and next years First
or
FOS and Whitlock and a F2.

*Granted we would have got another late teens pick, but you gotta be kidding if you think we gave away everything for magic beans.

We tried trading our F1 from pick 8 onwards, by reports.....you could've taken it at 8 or 9, but ya didn't, you know why?........... Because there's no guarantees in life.

I actually think other clubs think we are going to improve, which gives me some hope they might be right. I certainly don't feel it though, but I'll be f*n ecstatic if they are right and I'm wrong.

I also don't think we get the F2 if we traded our F1 earlier, but again I have no idea.

Maybe Saints should've taken our F1 at 8, we will see.

Just enjoy what you've got mate and quit sh!t-canning other clubs, it looks ordinary.

Which club am I shit canning? I don’t see a post saying your build is ****ed and a decade down the bottom etc

I’m shit canning your clubs decision to make that trade from last night. It’s in isolation about how you are currently positioned.

I haven’t canned fos or Whitlock.

re you F1. No body wanted to TRADE OUT.

It’s also been public you would only slide down so far.

There is a balance of give and take and you chose the magic bean trade.

If anyone here had proposed p27 and next years pick 19 for your future first in the past month. You and the rest of the Roo board would have taken the piss.

It on paper today. Is a trade that is poorer then the eagles sending pick 3 for 12+14(Baker).

It was desperate.

That is my argument.

 

[juss]

I think that’s what will be the “general talk” from the club. As I said, the story is we were offering our F1 from pick 8 onwards last night, so could’ve been for Whitlock, but unlikely.
So happy for Trainor for you blokes. He’s gunna be steal of the draft IMO.

Trainor I would have been comfortable if we took him at one of our teens picks, so getting him later was great.

Faul was the one I thought we reached a bit for, and was annoyed we'd potentially miss Armstrong because of that, but that seemed to work out too.

Hotton is a bit of a risk because of the ACL risk and lack of full exposed form in his draft year, but on talent he's considered a great get and he started pretty well.

 

[King Patty]

I think we'd get better offers than that tbh, or to be fair, I reckon we could take another prospect this year, even if we're happy there's bound to be another kid we'd rate ahead of that.

I think tigers still want another pick in the draft. and there will likely still be someone decent at 37, given its deep.
Plus strengthens tigers draft hand for next year.

Given tigers taken so many already, would make sense to split the pick IMO and shuffle back.
They should try and get a future first, but its probably unlikely and Tigers have already traded out their future second..

Where are the other offers coming from apart from Essendon?

Shanahan was linked to Port, GWS & Sydney

Port traded their F1 so cant trade F2 next year.

GWS have Adelaides F2 next year paired with 36 would be a better offer. Jack Whitlock was also linked to GWS. so could trade up to grab him.

WCE could trade their F2.

Sydney had chance to get Shanahan or Whitlock already and passed. They could trade their F1 next year as have academy kid coming.

 

[LB2Snake]

Which club am I shit canning? I don’t see a post saying your build is ****ed and a decade down the bottom etc

I’m shit canning your clubs decision to make that trade from last night. It’s in isolation about how you are currently positioned.

I haven’t canned fos or Whitlock.

re you F1. No body wanted to TRADE OUT.

It’s also been public you would only slide down so far.

There is a balance of give and take and you chose the magic bean trade.

If anyone here had proposed p27 and next years pick 19 for your future first in the past month. You and the rest of the Roo board would have taken the piss.

It on paper today. Is a trade that is poorer then the eagles sending pick 3 for 12+14(Baker).

It was desperate.

That is my argument.

Semantics in the bolded mate.

I'm choosing to see the upside in the trade. Did I like it at the time? Absolutely losing my mind when it happened.
But, in the cold light of day, it's not the shocker you are painting it out to be. If we didn't have tigers F2 it would be 10X worse in my mind as we can now use that tonight, possibly. I get what Brady is trying to do. What you are losing sight of is we picked up Finn O'Sullivan, who looks ridiculous to me. I'm tipping you'd trade Tauru for Finn right now, clearly we didn't think the opposite way.
I think the Daniel trade is the real "reverse-pineapple" here, as it left us pretty open, but if Whitlock turns out like Richmond's Tom Lynch, or similar, then I'm ok....but that's a big if if we took him at pick 10 or 27 isn't it?

 

[LB2Snake]

Trainor I would have been comfortable if we took him at one of our teens picks, so getting him later was great.

Faul was the one I thought we reached a bit for, and was annoyed we'd potentially miss Armstrong because of that, but that seemed to work out too.

Hotton is a bit of a risk because of the ACL risk and lack of full exposed form in his draft year, but on talent he's considered a great get and he started pretty well.

Yeah look I was surprised with Hotton AND Trainor, but, you are talking 2 kids who really are top 6 talents.
Trainor I know personally, so I've got a soft spot for him, but he is the toughest bugger and only got concussions because he will launch for the football from anywhere and puts himself in dangerous positions. He can learn and get better at that, but you can't teach his kicking skills, that are ridic. Trainor is also the only kid I've seen get tagged in APS, playing CHB!!! And not even successfully.
Hotton's got that Peter Matera vibe for me......gunna love the width of the G IMO.

Agree re Faul, but i don't think you thought others would still be on the board with later picks.

Other than Tauru, you got 2 of my favourite 4 players from this draft in Trainor and Armstrong.

 

[stavro#4]

Semantics in the bolded mate.

I'm choosing to see the upside in the trade. Did I like it at the time? Absolutely losing my mind when it happened.
But, in the cold light of day, it's not the shocker you are painting it out to be. If we didn't have tigers F2 it would be 10X worse in my mind as we can now use that tonight, possibly. I get what Brady is trying to do. What you are losing sight of is we picked up Finn O'Sullivan, who looks ridiculous to me. I'm tipping you'd trade Tauru for Finn right now, clearly we didn't think the opposite way.
I think the Daniel trade is the real "reverse-pineapple" here, as it left us pretty open, but if Whitlock turns out like Richmond's Tom Lynch, or similar, then I'm ok....but that's a big if if we took him at pick 10 or 27 isn't it?

I’d trade Travaglia for Fin. Not Tauru.

I’ve said it on your board. On mine and on here.

I rate this kid highly. I’ve seen him play and the sky is the limit for him. (Concerns with his body holding up so would be happy if we took it slow with him for 12-18 months).

I’m not losing sight of anything. It’s copium to say well we have FOS so it doesn’t look bad. It’s a terrible trade because fos has nothing to do with it. You already had him before that trade was made.

There was no need for North to part with that pick. The trade is a pass of Whitlock becomes a star.

That’s unfair on the kid - in my eyes.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Nothing wrong with our last few years mate.

Mate, there's only one year in St Kilda's history that there was nothing wrong with.

 

[stavro#4]

Mate, there's only one year in St Kilda's history that there was nothing wrong with.

And there are 0 years of the game being a level playing field.

Go figure.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

And there are 0 years of the game being a level playing field.

Go figure.

Yep, that's the mindset that gets you 27 spoons.