Preview 2015 Grand Final: Hawthorn v West Coast Eagles - Gunston IN, Hartung OUT

[crazywildhorse]

Clarkson tried to expose the Eagles short forward line in the QF, it didn't work, mostly because our disposal was terrible, and because the Eagles have been planning for that all year. When we finally went back to tried and true, the game was relatively even (although we were still pretty ordinary, and it's hard to determine whether or not the Eagles had put the cue in the rack). Another thing to remember is that we were playing fairly well until half way through the 2nd term, then suddenly dropped off the radar completely.

What I am wondering for this game is if we are going to see them shoot from outside 50 a bit more, in an attempt go over the top of the 'web'. We have the players that can do it.

 

[mikeder]

Lol. This is a classic case of over correction, he knows the Eagles are up against it but is trying to convince himself and everyone else they're not.
This era we are having has been fantastic to watch as you can just see how much others hurting because of it.

We are on the verge of history, everyone else cries while we all laugh. I love it!
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Ye aint that a fact "BC"!!!!

 

[mikeder]

Big call, has he even played a game this year?

Not the game to experiment I would've thought.

ps: even though he'd be the perfect sub (won't happen)

He played a pretty ordinary game in the VFL granny last Sunday.

 

[The Lemon]

Very, very interesting.

They absolutely destroyed Richmond at the G mid year.

If they play like that, they'll win

 

[HODGEYROAD]

They absolutely destroyed Richmond at the G mid year.

If they play like that, they'll win

They played well but i wouldn't call a 3 goal margin destroying a team.

 

[madhawksfan]

King trying to highlight our ruck tactic to Stevic during On The Couch tonight.

What's with Leigh Matthews not wanting us to win this weekend.

 

[bfish]

What's with Leigh Matthews not wanting us to win this weekend.

Takes his Brisbane side out of the equation as "THE" modern day greatest

 

[Billyc]

King trying to highlight our ruck tactic to Stevic during On The Couch tonight.
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Such a cretin. The interview was about umpires' grand final routines etc. None of the questionable decisions from the weekend were shown. The only footage was King highlighting Hawthorns ruck tactics against west coast 3 weeks ago. Absolute prick.

 

[Billyc]

What's with Leigh Matthews not wanting us to win this weekend.

We are just a former employer to Lethal. He is a Brisbane man.

 

[crazywildhorse]

We are just a former employer to Lethal. He is a Brisbane man.

The thing is is He is the Brisbane Lions. Brisbane would be nothing without him, and whatever he suggests is still taken as ultimate authority by the clowns up there.

 

[rjslcM]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...than-you-may-have-originally-thought.1113564/

A tally of our premierships, minor premierships, finals series, wooden spoons, winning percentage compared to other clubs from when our competition went national.

We are very comparable against West Coast, hence the thread.

Cheers.

 

[Billyc]

Gerard Healy tipped West Coast. Feeling confident now. That prick didn't tip us in a final in 2013 and 2014.

 

[Gunstall555]

Gerard Healy tipped West Coast. Feeling confident now. That prick didn't tip us in a final in 2013 and 2014.

yeah but Kingy has tipped us just (with Mitchell to win the Normy)

 

[QuietB]

The WCE forwards exposed us in the QF predominantly because of how we matched up. We literally couldn't have lined up much worse. Frawley at CHF & Lake on Kennedy is just crazy amounts of dumb... We had very little run from defence, but we were also defending from quite deep. We usually defend at Half Back & use the Full Back line for switching the ball & rebounding out the other way (why we always appear to give up cheap goals out the back). WCE dominated the mid-3rd of the ground & their Half-Forward (our HB) & had us defending at FB, leaving us to bomb long to clear the ball, which they owned.

In the QF, Kennedy had 26 disposals, 3.2 & 9 marks. He was also hugely effective in marking the ball 45m-60m from goal & delivering to Hill (3.0), LeCras (2.1) & Cripps (2.1). He ran Lake around & literally did what he wanted to. He was their match winner (others were contributors).

In the PF, Kennedy had 20 disposals, 2.3 & 9 marks. He was the player that kept them in it for Q1 - his work & his determination & run up the ground were brilliant. He dominated Scott Thompson in brain power & strength & just not being a dic**ead (sorry, can't stand Thompson...)! Again, he marked & scored from 45m-55m whilst also hitting up overlap runners for cheapies over the top.

IMO, we need to stop Kennedy marking the ball 45m-60m from goal. But wait... Where on Earth do we get a defender who can match Kennedy for pace & physical strength? The kind of defender who can play a lock-down, one-on-one role that keeps the league's best forwards to the following numbers:

- Tex Walker to 1.3, 10 disposals & 6 marks (SF);
- Buddy Franklin to 0.0, 7 disposals & 3 marks (Rnd 8); &,
- Combined to keep Hungry29, Maine & Taberner to 2 goals in the Prelim Final.

If only we could use our Chip Frawley - our QF CHF (just so dumb) on the best forward in the AFL to whom he's perfectly matched????

Jack Darling has played 14 games for 25 goals in 2015 - Gibbo can well & truly handle him & he's not nearly as damaging a high half-forward as Roughy or Gunston are. Stratton to LeCras & Doc/Burgoyne to Hill. This forces WCE's hand.

WCE usually prefer to rest a ruckman on the bench, allowing them to drift forward during regular play whilst also having an extra runner around the ball, but they'll not be able to leave Lake unattended as he'll chop off every high ball without contest. So they'll have to play/rest a ruckman at FF. This makes them top-heavy, or, clogs up free space that Cripps, LeCras, Hill et al would usually overlap run into when Kennedy has marked, 55m from goal. WCE's Forward 50m just got cramped, quick.

If Chip can force a contest on Kennedy at Half-Back or the flanks & force the ball to ground rather than giving up marks within 60m, we run a very good chance of clearing the ball quickly & hitting up our mobile Half-Forwards in Gunston, Breust & Roughy, or setting Smitty/Hill into space, rather than being constricted by the net or web or whatever they've renamed the Cluster; we'll also get to keep Popeye & Cyril near the F50m for when Hale/Schoey bring the ball to ground instead of having them at HB/Wing trying to run the ball forward. Alternately, if they win the disputed ball then they'll likely go inside F50m under pressure, which is how Lake wins Normies!


If we:

- pressure or restrict Kennedy;
- defend at HB, giving us room at FB to switch;
- use the width of the 'G well when heading forward; &,
- at least bring the ball to ground in our F50m if we can't mark.

We'll win.

I cannot get this post out of my head. Great analysis. If Frawley stops Kennedy I think the Hawks definitely win. Might win anyway but Frawley is about to earn his money.

 

[Hodginator]

Recon our biggest weapon is Clarko. Tried to mix things up in the QF to see what works and what doesn't. Make no mistake, he'll be well prepared for this week.

 

[Xtreme]

yeah but Kingy has tipped us just (with Mitchell to win the Normy)

That egotistical campaigner knows he curses whomever he tips and now he's gone one better by putting a curse on Mitchell!!

 

[Changa10]

yeah but Kingy has tipped us just (with Mitchell to win the Normy)

Kingy picked us last week too!

 

[Gunstall555]

So Clarko didn't even finish top 3 in coaches association voting this year

 

[UAWM]

They absolutely destroyed Richmond at the G mid year.

If they play like that, they'll win

If i recall correctly that game, richmond played like shit

 

[crazywildhorse]

If i recall correctly that game, richmond played like shit

You can't really read too much into destroying Richmond, very likely they destroyed themselves.

 

[Bikefreak]

King trying to highlight our ruck tactic to Stevic during On The Couch tonight.

What's with Leigh Matthews not wanting us to win this weekend.

**** those clowns....its not about the footy....its seemingly all about them.

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[Bikefreak]

Recon our biggest weapon is Clarko. Tried to mix things up in the QF to see what works and what doesn't. Make no mistake, he'll be well prepared for this week.

That was absolutely deliberate for my money....but he would not ever admit it I expect.

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[crazywildhorse]

King trying to highlight our ruck tactic to Stevic during On The Couch tonight.

What's with Leigh Matthews not wanting us to win this weekend.

I am pretty sure the umps will be more focused on the howlers they made on Saturday night.

 

[cryptor]

All sides in the league including us are exposed on a turnover in the front half when you move the ball quickly and bravely in as close to a direct bee line to goal as you can.

For all the systems, zones, clusters, webs and walls out there the one thing that constantly trumps all these things and it is work rate.

Work rate to win the ball or cause a turnover. To spread for the outlet receive. To run and carry and/or hit a moving target up the ground by hand or foot. To get forward into dangerous space and be a scoring option.

It's that simple. With a higher work rate and our high standard of ball use we will win this game. If we turn up expecting it'll just happen then we likely be the team getting exposed.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

That was absolutely deliberate for my money....but he would not ever admit it I expect.

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My feeling too. His comments in the presser after the prelim had me gobsmacked, saying we went into the qualifying final badly prepared. Badly prepared my ****! Clarko would never do that or allow the team to do that. He knew exactly what he was doing I'm sure.