Draft Review 2015 - Redo the 2015 AFL Draft

[WalshistheGOAT]

Still reckon Parish has a bit of Tom Mitchell about him atm, gets plenty of the ball and racks up stats but definitely not as damaging with his disposal as others. Same happened with Neale and Titch before they had their brownlow years where they notably aimed to be more impactful per disposal. Very good player for sure but wouldnt have him above Dunkley or Oliver for mids in this draft just atm. They provide a bit more bang for their buck imo

hm looks like maybe I was on to something. Gun regardless.

 

[citizen-erased]

hm looks like maybe I was on to something. Gun regardless.

Worth noting he's started kicking a lot on his left this year so as to not hold play up or get coralled onto a foot he won't kick off.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Worth noting he's started kicking a lot on his left this year so as to not hold play up or get coralled onto a foot he won't kick off.

Yeah I've noticed that too, already very adept on both sides of his body. Essendon fans shouldnt always look at a critique of him as a negative necassirily. I couldn't think of a player I'd be happier to have on the blues going into next year then Parish. If he cleans up his inside 50s and starts kicking a few more goals he will be unstoppable

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

McKay and Weitering are easily above Dunkley. If the draft was redone, Oliver, McKay and Weitering would be the first 3 in that order.

And to think Charlie was looking better than them both. Such a shame.

Oliver still clear 1. Will be the type to win 5-6 AA’s and has a Brownlow in him IMO.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

For Carlton, has Chuck gone from No. 1 to No. 4?

 

[Love the Drake]

Sorry for the extra bump but some of these are too good

If you are going to bump comments from years ago, be prepared your own one's to come back at you.

Has McKay played more than 1 good game?? I mean he couldn’t get a run for the worst team in the league last year 4 average and 1 good game he is the best player from this draft. Have a spell.

This is you shooting down a poster who had said McKay was showing great signs. You really were quick to judge back then.

1. Who of Weitering, Jones, Plowman and Marchbank is better than Francis? Weitering possibly on par but the rest are dime-a-dozen defenders.

2. Of the players you listed I’d sit Parish after Fisher and on par with Setterfield who has shown glimpses but that’s it at this stage.

3. Redman is a nice looking player who I haven’t overrated just said he is starting to show some good signs, your earlier post made it sound like he was a bust because he’s only played 7 games.

I made the point about bringing up the Essendon players because that’s just a lazy rebuttal when you had no idea what my thoughts were on those players. If you scroll back a few pages you’ll see Francis was the only Essendon player I had sitting in the top 20 and that was about 13 from memory. I hardly think I’m looking at this through red & black glasses

This didn't age too well. Here YOU are rating Parish outside the top 20 of this draft, behind Fisher and on par with Setterfield. At the same time YOU are rating Francis above Weitering, Jones, Plowman & the forever injured Marchbank. Didn't age that well did it?

I can’t even get you comprehend the fact that it was 1 poster 15 times and not the other way around. What hope do I have getting you to comprehend the fact that a 20 year old who can take 8 intercept marks in a game is anything but an average footballer?

Carlton’s draft haul is looking better than ours no doubt, I’ve made it known that Francis is the only player of ours I’d rank in the top 20. The fact that people actually believe that Carlton have 3 of the top 4 players from this draft is the thing I can’t get my head around.

Anyway solid trolling, you got one more bite out of me, I’m done now.

This didn't age this well either. Francis had a patch of 6 good games and hasn't done much since (albeit his personal issues which is a real shame), but for you to rate him so highly was quite a stretch.

Reckon it might have something to do with the fact your man has never shown any sign that he even belongs on an AFL list and our man nearly broke the record for most intercept marks in a game.

We’ve got an actual skill set to work with.

Comparing Jack Silvagni (pick 53) and Francis (pick 6) after Francis played loose man in defence and took some easy marks, whilst Silvagni had been working his arse off as a lead up half forward flanker, in a shit team, which is quite possibly the hardest position in the game.

Oliver
Dunkley
Gresham
Fiorini
Hopper
Phillips

He’s put up those 12 against Us (2), Lions (3) & Dogs(7). Until he starts putting up good numbers against quality opposition I can’t have him in that top 5. Dogs give up big numbers to key forwards. Last game against WC they gave up 6 to Darling, 3 to Kennedy and 3 to Waterman. Dogs Key Defender stocks are deplorable

You are having a go at me for not rating Parish back then when you didn't rate him yourself.

Who exactly would Weitering replace in our backline?

Pretty sure you said you hadn't potted Weitering yet here you are saying he wouldn't get a game in your back line - ahead of the likes of Ambrose & Francis. Hmmmm...wearing those red & black glasses much?

Zero chance. Ambrose in the elite tier of one-on-one defenders right now

Ouch...that didn't age that well.

We might have a spot up Forward for Weitering. Otherwise he’d be playing in the magoos. Ambrose is our best defender right now and you reckon we’d drop Hurley or Hooker for him? Please

You would have played a no.1 draft pick, after 4 years of solid development, in the 2's behind some B graders and a couple of veterans? Lucky you're not on the MC for Essendon.. wouldn't have seen much of your early draft picks this year.

Dude, if I have to explain to you the role of a lockdown defender then I don’t know why I’m bothering.

As someone pointed out earlier he probably would get a game for us and we’d move Hooker forward, but right now he would be our 4th best Key Defender. Not much of an indictment on Jacob he’d be behind 2 x AAs and an elite one-on-one Defender.

You really were in love with Ambrose back then. Isn't this most revered lock down defender now playing as a forward (all year) in the VFL?

So H...we can all bump discussions from years ago. Retrospect...it's a wonderful thing.

 

[eth-dog]

If you are going to bump comments from years ago, be prepared your own one's to come back at you.


This is you shooting down a poster who had said McKay was showing great signs. You really were quick to judge back then.


This didn't age too well. Here YOU are rating Parish outside the top 20 of this draft, behind Fisher and on par with Setterfield. At the same time YOU are rating Francis above Weitering, Jones, Plowman & the forever injured Marchbank. Didn't age that well did it?


This didn't age this well either. Francis had a patch of 6 good games and hasn't done much since (albeit his personal issues which is a real shame), but for you to rate him so highly was quite a stretch.


Comparing Jack Silvagni (pick 53) and Francis (pick 6) after Francis played loose man in defence and took some easy marks, whilst Silvagni had been working his arse off as a lead up half forward flanker, in a sh*t team, which is quite possibly the hardest position in the game.


You are having a go at me for not rating Parish back then when you didn't rate him yourself.


Pretty sure you said you hadn't potted Weitering yet here you are saying he wouldn't get a game in your back line - ahead of the likes of Ambrose & Francis. Hmmmm...wearing those red & black glasses much?


Ouch...that didn't age that well.


You would have played a no.1 draft pick, after 4 years of solid development, in the 2's behind some B graders and a couple of veterans? Lucky you're not on the MC for Essendon.. wouldn't have seen much of your early draft picks this year.


You really were in love with Ambrose back then. Isn't this most revered lock down defender now playing as a forward (all year) in the VFL?

So H...we can all bump discussions from years ago. Retrospect...it's a wonderful thing.

Wow, this is a meltdown of epic proportions. Can't say I don't love it though

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Weitering is comfortably no 2 now (after Clarry)

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Weitering is comfortably no 1 now..

Weitering is no one? Bit harsh, he's been playing really well this year IMO

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Weitering is no one? Bit harsh, he's been playing really well this year IMO

I forgot about Clarry.

Weitering is now the best key position defender in the game and has been for 18 months now

 

[eth-dog]

I forgot about Clarry.

Weitering is now the best key position defender in the game and has been for 18 months now

A fair bit of bias in that. Harris Andrews and Darcy Moore are also very good, as well as Steven May and Aliir Aliir having outstanding years as well. He's up there no doubt but it's not definitive.

 

[Haychh]

If you are going to bump comments from years ago, be prepared your own one's to come back at you.


This is you shooting down a poster who had said McKay was showing great signs. You really were quick to judge back then.


This didn't age too well. Here YOU are rating Parish outside the top 20 of this draft, behind Fisher and on par with Setterfield. At the same time YOU are rating Francis above Weitering, Jones, Plowman & the forever injured Marchbank. Didn't age that well did it?


This didn't age this well either. Francis had a patch of 6 good games and hasn't done much since (albeit his personal issues which is a real shame), but for you to rate him so highly was quite a stretch.


Comparing Jack Silvagni (pick 53) and Francis (pick 6) after Francis played loose man in defence and took some easy marks, whilst Silvagni had been working his arse off as a lead up half forward flanker, in a sh*t team, which is quite possibly the hardest position in the game.


You are having a go at me for not rating Parish back then when you didn't rate him yourself.


Pretty sure you said you hadn't potted Weitering yet here you are saying he wouldn't get a game in your back line - ahead of the likes of Ambrose & Francis. Hmmmm...wearing those red & black glasses much?


Ouch...that didn't age that well.


You would have played a no.1 draft pick, after 4 years of solid development, in the 2's behind some B graders and a couple of veterans? Lucky you're not on the MC for Essendon.. wouldn't have seen much of your early draft picks this year.


You really were in love with Ambrose back then. Isn't this most revered lock down defender now playing as a forward (all year) in the VFL?

So H...we can all bump discussions from years ago. Retrospect...it's a wonderful thing.

You k bro?

 

[Love the Drake]

You k bro?

Perfectly fine bro. Carlton won. Essendon lost.

You bump old posts. I bump old posts.

Life's fantastic...thanks for asking.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Is it a massively unpopular opinion to say that I'd probably take Weitering over Oliver?

 

[Giant Strides]

Buuuuuuurn!

 

[citizen-erased]

Yeah I've noticed that too, already very adept on both sides of his body. Essendon fans shouldnt always look at a critique of him as a negative necassirily. I couldn't think of a player I'd be happier to have on the blues going into next year then Parish. If he cleans up his inside 50s and starts kicking a few more goals he will be unstoppable

He is a good goalscorer too
Just too busy racking up clearances with half our shallow midfield out.

If he keeps this up and we can win more than half our remaining games, he's a shoe in for top 3 in the brownlow.
Hopefully some surprise vote steals from bont might make the count tight...libba, macrae, naughton, etc

 

[Haychh]

If you are going to bump comments from years ago, be prepared your own one's to come back at you.


This is you shooting down a poster who had said McKay was showing great signs. You really were quick to judge back then.


This didn't age too well. Here YOU are rating Parish outside the top 20 of this draft, behind Fisher and on par with Setterfield. At the same time YOU are rating Francis above Weitering, Jones, Plowman & the forever injured Marchbank. Didn't age that well did it?


This didn't age this well either. Francis had a patch of 6 good games and hasn't done much since (albeit his personal issues which is a real shame), but for you to rate him so highly was quite a stretch.


Comparing Jack Silvagni (pick 53) and Francis (pick 6) after Francis played loose man in defence and took some easy marks, whilst Silvagni had been working his arse off as a lead up half forward flanker, in a sh*t team, which is quite possibly the hardest position in the game.


You are having a go at me for not rating Parish back then when you didn't rate him yourself.


Pretty sure you said you hadn't potted Weitering yet here you are saying he wouldn't get a game in your back line - ahead of the likes of Ambrose & Francis. Hmmmm...wearing those red & black glasses much?


Ouch...that didn't age that well.


You would have played a no.1 draft pick, after 4 years of solid development, in the 2's behind some B graders and a couple of veterans? Lucky you're not on the MC for Essendon.. wouldn't have seen much of your early draft picks this year.


You really were in love with Ambrose back then. Isn't this most revered lock down defender now playing as a forward (all year) in the VFL?

So H...we can all bump discussions from years ago. Retrospect...it's a wonderful thing.

Sorry I obviously had a bit more on today than you did to be able to punch out that melt so I’ve only just read it properly now. I struggle to see any of my points that were wrong at that point in time. Certainly none were as outlandish as calling a now Brownlow favourite a “Slow, Timid and limited footballer”. Just a few notes:

- McKay had only played 1 good game, much like Francis at that point. Props to Harry he’s really come on and is now an elite Key Forward. Francis has struggled to find consistency and unfortunately is battling some mental issues, unfortunately a great talent that might not ever get the chance to be able to put it all together.

- If I rated Parish top 10 back then I would’ve been admitted to the psyche ward. I knew once the opportunity arised he’d be a serviceable mid. He has surpassed even my expectations.

- It is fact that Ambrose was an elite one-on-one defender the year I posted that. Ranked in the top 5 in the league that year from memory. Unfortunately his injuries have caught up on him and he’s now probably playing his last season.

- Weitering has turned himself into an elite defender. Props to him because I was one of many that had questions.

Really clutched at straws here with nothing better to do on a Sunday morning Drakey boy. 3/10 melt

 

[Love the Drake]

Sorry I obviously had a bit more on today than you did to be able to punch out that melt so I’ve only just read it properly now. I struggle to see any of my points that were wrong at that point in time. Certainly none were as outlandish as calling a now Brownlow favourite a “Slow, Timid and limited footballer”. Just a few notes:

- McKay had only played 1 good game, much like Francis at that point. Props to Harry he’s really come on and is now an elite Key Forward. Francis has struggled to find consistency and unfortunately is battling some mental issues, unfortunately a great talent that might not ever get the chance to be able to put it all together.

- If I rated Parish top 10 back then I would’ve been admitted to the psyche ward. I knew once the opportunity arised he’d be a serviceable mid. He has surpassed even my expectations.

- It is fact that Ambrose was an elite one-on-one defender the year I posted that. Ranked in the top 5 in the league that year from memory. Unfortunately his injuries have caught up on him and he’s now probably playing his last season.

- Weitering has turned himself into an elite defender. Props to him because I was one of many that had questions.

Really clutched at straws here with nothing better to do on a Sunday morning Drakey boy. 3/10 melt

Are you ok bro? You seem flat.

 

[Haychh]

Are you ok bro? You seem flat.

Nah pretty good tbh. My team looks like they’re finally heading the right direction after years of mediocrity. We also have this generational talent named Nick Cox who we got in return for some flanker who played for us last year. Life’s pretty good!

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Nah pretty good tbh. My team looks like they’re finally heading the right direction after years of mediocrity. We also have this generational talent named Nick Cox who we got in return for some flanker who played for us last year. Life’s pretty good!

You got Nik Cox for finishing 13th.

 

[Haychh]

You got Nik Cox for finishing 13th.

Fair call, well take your pick. Perkins, Cox or Reid, which one suits your narrative best? Either outcome it’s a win

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Fair call, well take your pick. Perkins, Cox or Reid, which one suits your narrative best? Either outcome it’s a win

It’s not really a matter of picking. Cox was your first pick, which you held due to your finishing position.

 

[Love the Drake]

It’s not really a matter of picking. Cox was your first pick, which you held due to your finishing position.

Logic goes out the window when talking Carlton/ Essendon with poor H...he gets overly emotional trying to conjure up a ‘win’. Nek minut Hind is a better player than Saad .

 

[Haychh]

It’s not really a matter of picking. Cox was your first pick, which you held due to your finishing position.

Cool... ok let’s go with Perkins or Reid then idc. I’m not getting into a back and forth with you two. Goodnight lads.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Cool... ok let’s go with Perkins or Reid then idc. I’m not getting into a back and forth with you two. Goodnight lads.

One of them at the club due to Daniher leaving as a free agent, the other due to the Saad trade.

Can you guess which one fits where?