Position 2015 SuperCoach defenders

[TheOz]

A question...

In the "My Team" thread, plenty of draft teams seem to be going with 4 rookie defenders - obviously the names are placemarkers at this stage. Even if some rookies emerge in the NAB that then get named in round 1 you have to think you won't have much choice to pick from to fill these 4 slots. There will be a few debutants filling gaps for short term injuries and others that will only be a dodgy first game away from a extended trip to the 2nds/VFL etc. It's pretty hard to see many young defenders come in and be a lock for at least the 5-7 weeks it will take to earn enough to cash them in. A few rounds in I wouldn't be surprised to see many teams running with no bench cover in defence or even end up copping donuts or making forced trades to the next low job security rookie that gets a debut.

Cheap options should be far more numerous on the other lines which means better choices with better job security and earning potential. But I think at this point four cheap defenders is looking super risky.

Thoughts?

Agree, defensive rookies are very thin at this stage. Using placeholders is an idea however also plan variations of teams that take the lack of rookies potentially into consideration.

 

[huddler]

I dont remember this kind of carnage last year, but I like your optimism

This time last year everyone had Fuller, and no one had Langdon.

 

[Hairy Lager]

Can someone give me a good reason not to pick Hurn?

He's a proven at the very least good pick, if not great. With Waters out WC will turn to him to get it out of defense. He's not overly injury prone either. He's also a bit cheaper than the other premos.

With his laser scope boot, plus Yeo and McGovern pushing back he should be spotting up forwards and unloading the odd precision chest opening missile more often than not. I like him a lot, fairly durable but the rule change of less points for game winning plays worries me a bit.

 

[TheOz]

With his laser scope boot, plus Yeo and McGovern pushing back he should be spotting up forwards and unloading the odd precision chest opening missile more often than not. I like him a lot, fairly durable but the rule change of less points for game winning plays worries me a bit.

How many players have actually ever benefitted that much from "game winning plays" per season? The number will be in the single digits.

 

[shiva25]

A question...

In the "My Team" thread, plenty of draft teams seem to be going with 4 rookie defenders - obviously the names are placemarkers at this stage. Even if some rookies emerge in the NAB that then get named in round 1 you have to think you won't have much choice to pick from to fill these 4 slots. There will be a few debutants filling gaps for short term injuries and others that will only be a dodgy first game away from a extended trip to the 2nds/VFL etc. It's pretty hard to see many young defenders come in and be a lock for at least the 5-7 weeks it will take to earn enough to cash them in. A few rounds in I wouldn't be surprised to see many teams running with no bench cover in defence or even end up copping donuts or making forced trades to the next low job security rookie that gets a debut.

Cheap options should be far more numerous on the other lines which means better choices with better job security and earning potential. But I think at this point four cheap defenders is looking super risky.

Thoughts?

Well if you go heavy in defence your mids and forwards will suffer as you wont be able to afford the premiums you want in those areas. Backline players are going to come down in price at a far higher rate than any other position this year so I don't think its worth spending big on them when youll pick the premos up very cheap later on In the season.
Seeings as though theres a wealth of premo forwards and mids I would much rather load up there and go with some cheapies in defence and if they don't work out well in the first few weeks theres no harm in blowing some trades early on to fix it up. Ive gone with only 2 premo backs and a mix of 3 mid pricers and 3 rookies which will allow me to have 5 of the top scoring mids, 1 premo ruck and 4 of the top scoring forwards from last year which is where the bulk of your good scoring will come from

 

[TheOz]

Well if you go heavy in defence your mids and forwards will suffer as you wont be able to afford the premiums you want in those areas. Backline players are going to come down in price at a far higher rate than any other position this year so I don't think its worth spending big on them when youll pick the premos up very cheap later on In the season.
Seeings as though theres a wealth of premo forwards and mids I would much rather load up there and go with some cheapies in defence and if they don't work out well in the first few weeks theres no harm in blowing some trades early on to fix it up. Ive gone with only 2 premo backs and a mix of 3 mid pricers and 3 rookies which will allow me to have 5 of the top scoring mids, 1 premo ruck and 4 of the top scoring forwards from last year which is where the bulk of your good scoring will come from

Backline players on average are priced less than any other line of players, therefore by logical inference, the rate at which they lose value will be lower in comparison to the other lines, the issue is that because many of the higher scoring defenders from last season are no longer eligible, the pool of premiums to choose from is thinner, not that they're prone to lose value at a "far higher rate". The rucks this season stand to lose value more than anyone based on the scoring changes.

 

[Hairy Lager]

How many players have actually ever benefitted that much from "game winning plays" per season? The number will be in the single digits.

The Jimmy Bartell rule? Seems to be quite a few that go from mediocre to gangbusters every game, Wingard, Franklin, Jelwood, Pavlich. Seem to recall reading that this rule has changed this year, can you shed any light on the change Oz.

 

[TheOz]

The Jimmy Bartell rule? Seems to be quite a few that go from mediocre to gangbusters every game, Wingard, Franklin, Jelwood, Pavlich. Seem to recall reading that this rule has changed this year, can you shed any light on the change Oz.

There aren't that many games that get that close. Also can't ever recall Hurn doing a Cotchin/Bartel before.

 

[shiva25]

Backline players on average are priced less than any other line of players, therefore by logical inference, the rate at which they lose value will be lower in comparison to the other lines, the issue is that because many of the higher scoring defenders from last season are no longer eligible, the pool of premiums to choose from is thinner, not that they're prone to lose value at a "far higher rate". The rucks this season stand to lose value more than anyone based on the scoring changes.

The pool of premium backs is thinner but the point I am making is I can see guys like Hodge, Malceski and even Simpson drop dramatically in price during the course of the season so why spend big dollars on premiums backs for 85-90 type scores when you could spend it on getting at least 5 super premo mids that will benefit your team greater

 

[Sydney Kicker]

Well if you go heavy in defence your mids and forwards will suffer as you wont be able to afford the premiums you want in those areas. Backline players are going to come down in price at a far higher rate than any other position this year so I don't think its worth spending big on them when youll pick the premos up very cheap later on In the season.
Seeings as though theres a wealth of premo forwards and mids I would much rather load up there and go with some cheapies in defence and if they don't work out well in the first few weeks theres no harm in blowing some trades early on to fix it up. Ive gone with only 2 premo backs and a mix of 3 mid pricers and 3 rookies which will allow me to have 5 of the top scoring mids, 1 premo ruck and 4 of the top scoring forwards from last year which is where the bulk of your good scoring will come from

Fair points and not to dissimilar to my approach actually - In defence I'm looking seriously at just the 2 rookies with 1 premo and 5 midpricers so I can load up in the midfield and forwards. With the midpricers I'm after job security, some potential price growth and if possible a round 12 or 13 bye for better timing trading the ones that don't make keeper status. I can accept 3 rookies as a starting point but I think 4 is stretching it. Also agree though that we won't know until teams get named what looks the best balance.

 

[Deliverance]

Enough of the henny penny, sky is falling, scaremongering. Write these names down - Shaun Edwards, Alex Browne, Ariel Steinberg. They will be the three blokes who will don (pardon the pun) their superman capes and come to our rescue when they get the call up on the eve of Round 1. Hakuna Matata M*****f******!

Relton Roberts to the rescue as a top up player

 

[Deliverance]

This time last year everyone had Fuller, and no one had Langdon.

What's the deal with Fuller this year?

 

[Goats]

What's the deal with Fuller this year?

Still shit.

 

[anfa18]

I need to pick 5 players between 400k-475k in defense for a team i'm working on. Which 5 would you pick from this of 12?

Duffield, Johnson, Hurn, Houli, Harbrow, Newnes, Thompson, Adcock, Lumumba, Suckling, Docherty and Higgins.

 

[rocker_oz33]

I need to pick 5 players between 400k-475k in defense for a team i'm working on. Which 5 would you pick from this of 12?

Duffield, Johnson, Hurn, Houli, Harbrow, Newnes, Thompson, Adcock, Lumumba, Suckling, Docherty and Higgins.

Harry Taylor?
Anywoo IMHO i like Hurn,Harbrow,Docherty and MJohnson out of those.

 

[felsty]

I need to pick 5 players between 400k-475k in defense for a team i'm working on. Which 5 would you pick from this of 12?

Duffield, Johnson, Hurn, Houli, Harbrow, Newnes, Thompson, Adcock, Lumumba, Suckling, Docherty and Higgins.

Hurn, Newnes, Higgins, Docherty, Thompson in that order

 

[toxic]

I need to pick 5 players between 400k-475k in defense for a team i'm working on. Which 5 would you pick from this of 12?

Duffield, Johnson, Hurn, Houli, Harbrow, Newnes, Thompson, Adcock, Lumumba, Suckling, Docherty and Higgins.

Duff Higgins sdt hurn doc

 

[KardiniaPark]

Taylor Hunt has come out and said apparently he is going to be playing as a mid with NO tagging duties,

any cats shed any knowledge on his non tagging scoring capabilities...

How many points do you get for being able to run fast?

Solid Logic

I'm still liking KK on the back of limited preseason in 2014 and he is a gun

KardiniaPark your thoughts on this pressing matter

KK? Not for me with Malceski there. I can't see him being top 20, he scored one ton all season I just don't know what people see in him.

 

[KardiniaPark]

the fact he'll move from the backline to the mids, I'm after a 100K rise from him or a 90+ average

You hear this about five players in every team, their midfield is pretty set. If he does somehow get in there he's not getting much time. Get off the disco bikkies, he's not averaging 90 FFS.

 

[KardiniaPark]

Interesting Brad Scott talking on SEN this morning

Was very very non-commital about Atley playing in the midfield
Was very committed that Higgins best footy was as a mid/wing/hff

strangley does this make higgins a SC option? its Friday lunchtime, I've had no drinks and he is an option

Ban please.

 

[Lums23]

Does anyone like Gibson? Averaged the same as Hodge (92.5) last year. Obviously he'll put in a stinker here and there but with Frawley there he might get freed up to float around a bit more

 

[Sydney Kicker]

Does anyone like Gibson? Averaged the same as Hodge (92.5) last year. Obviously he'll put in a stinker here and there but with Frawley there he might get freed up to float around a bit more

Probably not for me. I expect his scores to vary significantly from week to week depending on his role and that will depend (probably) whether both Lake and Frawley play each week (no sure thing especially with Brian). Might be wise to wait and see and consider him as a upgrade target after you get a look at him early in the year - especially if you can get him after a few bad weeks drop his price.

His average last year was a fair bit better than other years so be careful.

 

[Lums23]

Probably not for me. I expect his scores to vary significantly from week to week depending on his role and that will depend (probably) whether both Lake and Frawley play each week (no sure thing especially with Brian). Might be wise to wait and see and consider him as a upgrade target after you get a look at him early in the year - especially if you can get him after a few bad weeks drop his price.

His average last year was a fair bit better than other years so be careful.

Cheers, I thought it seemed strangely high. Just trying to find something from nothing

 

[MightyMark]

The Jimmy Bartell rule? Seems to be quite a few that go from mediocre to gangbusters every game, Wingard, Franklin, Jelwood, Pavlich. Seem to recall reading that this rule has changed this year, can you shed any light on the change Oz.

I need to pick 5 players between 400k-475k in defense for a team i'm working on. Which 5 would you pick from this of 12?

Duffield, Johnson, Hurn, Houli, Harbrow, Newnes, Thompson, Adcock, Lumumba, Suckling, Docherty and Higgins.

Hurn, Harbrow, Newse, Thompson and Docherty

 

[Seymour Skinner]

Any love for Ben Jacobs around here? Don't know much about what's going in on the Norf camp so I would love to see what any of their supporters think about him.

Anyway, priced at 258k, played most of his AFL footy to date as a deep defender? (Correct me if I'm wrong). But played most of his VFL footy as an inside mid.
12 games in 2013 (assuming time was spent def/mid this year) for an average of 24 disposals and 87 DT points.
7 games in 2014 for an average of 32 disposals and more than a goal a game for 129 DT points.

With the loss of Greenwood someone is going to have to step up and fill in that extra inside mid role. Lot of people hoping Dumont gets a fair crack at it but I think Jacobs might be ahead of him in the pecking order.

He's about to hit that 50 game mark and he's in a team challenging for a top 4 position. The points are there for the taking.

Also, I know DT and SC don't directly translate but I have no way of finding SC scores for VFL games.