List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Free agency and draft rumours

[jenniferHAWKinS]

Shiels, perhaps not slow - but poor acceleration - average at best.

The others, especially Gibbo & Stratts this year, are slow.

Fair enough but we have a good spread of players with ample leg speed and we have more players with fast speed of mind than any other team. Arguably our slowest player (Mitch) is very quick (like Breust) laterally or in a confined space. Richmond are definitely not a quick side!

 

[DannyJ]

I'd prefer a key forward than a key back to be honest.

For 2016.....
Frawley is our full back, sign Lake to a small deal. Develop Brand and Kiwi Kurt.

Carlisle is very good, but Bombers will make it cost to much for us.

Midfielder is our number 1 target. Surely.

 

[Brant]

Fair enough but we have a good spread of players with ample leg speed and we have more players with fast speed of mind than any other team. Arguably our slowest player (Mitch) is very quick (like Breust) laterally or in a confined space. Richmond are definitely not a quick side!

By foot, they are.

Richmond, essenscum, GWS, Cold Ghost, Footscray, Eagles, Adelaide, poort, Saints & even fremantle are quicker by foot than us - collingwood maybe about the same.

Probably only norf, sydney, carltank & geelong aren't.

Obviously, recent premierships show that pace without skill is only useful on Grand Final Day during the Half-Time Sprint, but that's the reason someone like a Bennell has so much potential - he has good skills on both feet & is quick as Hell.

 

[tige19]

There is no way I would put Stratton, Gibson, Shiels or Roughy in the slow category.

Stratts is very quick, ruff quick for his size and Shiels is average for a mid I'd say. Gibbo is becoming very very slow very quickly.

 

[Steven Tyler]

What if Bennel's a buyers market?

Surely more than half the sides in the comp would be interested in Bennell if they could get him
Sellers market for mine

 

[tige19]

Essendon need a ruckman, we need a key back ( Presuming Lake finishes up ), I'd say BB would be on the trade table and if he's not then he should be. Just because a guy is in the leadership group it doesn't make them un-tradeable.

The Crows pumbled the Eagles on the back of Jacobs having his way with NicNac, Jacobs hasn't got a huge leap but uses his frame really well and makes NicNac accountsble at all stoppages. BB regardless of who he rucks against gets absolutely smashed in the hitouts, not only that but he offers nothing up forward as a resting ruckman.

Cegs has more upside, give him the duties next year and recruit a 2nd fiddler, someone who can go forward as well as chop out Cegs. The Eagles lad Lycett would be perfect for our club, he is 3rd in line up there so maybe gettable.

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

By foot, they are.

Richmond, essenscum, GWS, Cold Ghost, Footscray, Eagles, Adelaide, poort, Saints & even fremantle are quicker by foot than us - collingwood maybe about the same.

Probably only norf, sydney, carltank & geelong aren't.

Obviously, recent premierships show that pace without skill is only useful on Grand Final Day during the Half-Time Sprint, but that's the reason someone like a Bennell has so much potential - he has good skills on both feet & is quick as Hell.

I am not sure how you are quantifying/ comparing leg speed across all 18 teams but Richmond have only Deledio, Rance, Grimes, Edwards and possibly Martin who have above average leg speed. I consider Richmond a dour team in terms of leg speed.

 

[grizzlym]

Surely more than half the sides in the comp would be interested in Bennell if they could get him
Sellers market for mine

Unless, hypothetically speaking, we had something GC wanted. Plus factor in the damaged goods nature of Bennell.

Well, then the scales tilt a certain way, I think.

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

Surely more than half the sides in the comp would be interested in Bennell if they could get him
Sellers market for mine

Totally agree, if Bennell is on the market every club would be interested. I can't imagine Harley leaving without a pay increase unless the off field issues are that bad that Gold Coast can't wait to see the back of him. I am certain Hawthorn are chasing a big fish with future draft picks included on the bargaining table.

 

[Brant]

I am not sure how you are quantifying/ comparing leg speed across all 18 teams but Richmond have only Deledio, Rance, Grimes, Edwards and possibly Martin who have above average leg speed. I consider Richmond a dour team in terms of leg speed.

Compare them against us.
Everyone in their midfield is quicker than everyone in our midfield (I'm not talking stamina - I'm talking breaking away from contests or foot-race to free ball). We get quicker by bringing in Langers at the expense of Hodge, but that's obviously only a temp solution. Langers will play finals though.

Their resting ruckman (be it Marich or Vickery) is a bunch quicker than Hale, Cegs or Big Boy. Just a dumb amount quicker. Reiwoldt is quicker than Roughy.
Their big defenders are quicker. Rance is quicker than Frawley & Chapman would kill Lake in a sprint.

We have pace where we are meant to: wingmen & Forward Pockets. Sure, our guys are elite in those spots - but every team has quick wingmen & forward pocket players. What hurts us is that other teams have included pace in their grunty midfields, whereas we haven't.

 

[Mitchell54]

Kreuzer is a free agent
Hale, McEvoy and first rounder for Bennell?

Are you crazy?
Wouldn't mind Kruz but definitely don't like the idea of getting rid of McEvoy.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Are you crazy?
Wouldn't mind Kruz but definitely don't like the idea of getting rid of McEvoy.

No I was just answering the question that if we chase Kreuzer as a free agent we won't have all of Kruezer, Hale, McEvoy, Ceglar and Pittonett(sp) on the list

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

Compare them against us.
Everyone in their midfield is quicker than everyone in our midfield (I'm not talking stamina - I'm talking breaking away from contests or foot-race to free ball). We get quicker by bringing in Langers at the expense of Hodge, but that's obviously only a temp solution. Langers will play finals though.

Their resting ruckman (be it Marich or Vickery) is a bunch quicker than Hale, Cegs or Big Boy. Just a dumb amount quicker. Reiwoldt is quicker than Roughy.
Their big defenders are quicker. Rance is quicker than Frawley & Chapman would kill Lake in a sprint.

We have pace where we are meant to: wingmen & Forward Pockets. Sure, our guys are elite in those spots - but every team has quick wingmen & forward pocket players. What hurts us is that other teams have included pace in their grunty midfields, whereas we haven't.

Apart from Chaplin beating Lake in a foot race I disagree with the rest. Burgoyne, Rioli, Puopolo, Breust all rotate through the midfield and add significant speed along with Langford. Miles, Grigg & Thomas are slow. McIntosh & Ellis on the wings are moderate paced. Roughy & Roo evenly matched, Rance slightly quicker than Frawley. There ruck men are as every bit as slow as ours! Birchall, Burgoyne & Duryea are collectively quicker than Houli, Vlaustin & Hunt. Rioli, Breust & Poppy compare favourably with Edwards, Martin & Lloyd. Stratton moves ok for someone you labelled slow! Over to you Brant.

 

[Scissor4life]

Anyone else hear the rumour about Chad wanting to come to the Hawks?...apparently that's why we stopped talking to Danger
All will be revealed soon enough

 

[Clarkos_Soldier]

I remember watching AFL 360 earlier this year when Dangerfield talked very fondly of Geelong. It made me wonder what it meant. However, to understand the reasons behind what someone might be saying and translating the meaning behind it, it's very important to know something about the individual in question.

Fact 1, Dangerfield is a restricted free agent at the end of this year. Fact 2, Dangerfield no doubt wants as big a pay package as possible. Fact 3, Dangerfield is from Geelong area and barracked for them when he was growing up. Fact 4, he wants to move back to Victoria for three reasons; 1. To be close to family 2. For success 3. Plan his life after his footy playing career.

Now, all of us know these facts so how do you use them to get a big pay package while ensuring the other three aims are achieved. Pick a Victorian team that ensures success, can pay the package you want and also paves the way to life after playing footy (which i think for Dangerfield will mean coaching). So if i was his agent the first thing i would say to him is "given what people know about you, they are going to assume Geelong is in the box seat, so let them think that, even promote it to raise the stakes. But we both know Geelong will not give you the success in the next few years and cannot help you with life after you finish playing. The only teams that can fulfill your goals are: Hawthorn, Collingwood, Richmond and Bulldogs. But lets face it, Richmond and Bulldogs do not possess the success driven culture and there are no guarantees they will make a grand final nevermind win one. Your targets will have to be one of Collingwood and Hawthorn. Also, the coaching system of the modern era that reaps success, well, that's reinvented more successfully every year by a man they call Clarko. And if there is one thing that The Game of Thrones has taught everyone it's this; educated, intelligent, cunning, caring and imaginative little men are reliable and wise counsellors, teachers, mentors and leaders."

I have no connections to the Hawthorn football club, except that i am a fan, know no insiders sharing their deep secrets with me, nor do i know Dangerfield or his agent. However, aside from my far fetched wishful thinking, which eases my mind into thinking there is a logical reason for my daydream, i have an incredibly positive feeling that he is coming to Hawthorn.

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

Anyone else hear the rumour about Chad wanting to come to the Hawks?...apparently that's why we stopped talking to Danger
All will be revealed soon enough

He would be a handy pick up! I thought he was South Australian and made it quite clear around the time he was drafted that he wouldn't play with an interstate team.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Anyone else hear the rumour about Chad wanting to come to the Hawks?...apparently that's why we stopped talking to Danger
All will be revealed soon enough

You mean the media saying that Hawthorn are interested in Wingard? Not the other way around.

 

[dipper86]

I am not sure how you are quantifying/ comparing leg speed across all 18 teams but Richmond have only Deledio, Rance, Grimes, Edwards and possibly Martin who have above average leg speed. I consider Richmond a dour team in terms of leg speed.

You forgot Cotchin....he's got some leg speed.

 

[StillAtLarge]

You forgot Cotchin....he's got some leg speed.

You're kidding yeah? Cotchin wouldn't be able to cross a road without the flashing red man making an appearance. He is real slow, glacial in fact.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

You're kidding yeah? Cotchin wouldn't be able to cross a road without the flashing red man making an appearance. He is real slow, glacial in fact.

Faster than any of our mids.

 

[StillAtLarge]

Faster than any of our mids.

Burgoyne would leave him for dead

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Burgoyne would leave him for dead

Not really a mid though is he. We're not going to see Burgoyne in the middle for 3 and a half quarters.

 

[dipper86]

You're kidding yeah? Cotchin wouldn't be able to cross a road without the flashing red man making an appearance. He is real slow, glacial in fact.

No I'm not kidding.....he's deceptively quick.
A couple of years ago he had explosive pace....he's had a few knee issues and has now slowed down a bit.
In no way is he slow.

 

[coxy149]

Carlisle won't be hawk and there are other alternatives. West coast will need to get rid of kpp with Mackenzie and brown coming back you would think only one comes in to play with mcgovern and schofield, Mackenzie is the obvious choice.
So maybe Mitch Brown is up for grabs, currency would be down.
Jeremy howe could be a good replacement for when gibbo hangs up the boots.
Can't see bennell or any other young midfielder coming in this off-season. Next off-season for sure but don't think hawks will go in for a young gun a year or two till they are out of contract, unless the player has publicly nominated the hawks.
I think yarran will be hawk as will leunberger if hale hangs up the boots. Kreuzer would be better and should be a priority but I don't think he will leave Carlton.

 

[tige19]

Faster than any of our mids.

I'd say Cotch is Shiels type of speed, probably the average for league footballers.