List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Free agency and draft rumours

[cryptor]

 

[sven_inc]

If we went for a DFA, itd make sense for us to go for someone a far bit younger as per Wrights comments about trade period and the draft.

If we did go a DFA youd expect them to be some sort of upgrade on Simpkin as he was very competent and valuable depth.

Id think Adcock and Warnock types would a little wasted at the Hawks and wouldve been easier to keep Simpkin.

Id look for a DFA who is younger and still has some perceived development left.

Id take these guys, keeping in mind they were all delisted for a reason and in all likelihood not that diamond in the rough like Ceglar or Miles were.

- Zac O'Brien
- Majak Daw
- Jarred Redden
- Mat McDonough
- Daniel Markworth
- Spencer White

Doubt we'll take any but all may have some untapped development there even if its just getting their bodies right.

 

[WWSD]

Who could forget Simpkin winning 2 Premierships medals in one week back in 2013. He was a very good depth player in 2013 and 14 when brought into the team and had a habit of finding the footy and kicking goals during last quarters.

33 games and 15 goals for the Hawks in his three year at the club is a decent effort from a player who wasn't considered to be in our best 22.

 

[Badesumofu]

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't fill the senior list, actually. 15 and 18 will be used, of course, Heatherly upgraded, then I reckon whether we use 48 will depend on whether there is anyone we want available. Fewer on the senior list allows for more rookies, saves you some cap space (which can now be banked) and gives us a head start on freeing up list spots for next year's draft. Anyone we draft this year we are stuck with for 2 years.

I would be very shocked if we went anywhere near Daw. All things considered.

 

[WWSD]

We have five picks in the national draft with one of those picks upgrading Kurt Heatherley.

Picks 15,18,48,76 and 112. The club might elect to pick up one delisted free agent or have one live pick in the pre-season draft.

 

[PenAndPaper]

Kiwi experiment... Lol
Gotta love that
I have never understood why a ruck can't be a ruck/def... If they can rest forward why not back? Bailey was once a defender turned ruck I believe & so if Fitzy has played some good footy there why not groom that. I think that without a sub this year a second ruck will be resting 70-80% on the pine anyway & the ruck/fwd role will diminish to allow more forward rotation for mids to rest. If Fitzy can take a grab & kick a goal then great! You want a ruck that can drift forward but after seeing his interview he looked genuinely happy for the time spent in defence.... There could be a Fitzy twist coming from Clarko

You can't exactly rest down back that's why. You can rest up forward though because you're dictating when and how you want to run the majority of the time, down back it is the opponent dictating that the majority of the time.

 

[Gralin]

Good luck Joffa wherever you land

 

[nickrebellious]

Either we pick up a DFA or go with the 39/5 structure into 2016.

 

[Bad Boy Beama]

Do you think other boards are as keen on delistees as we seem to be? Or is it just what we do in the Hawk board?

I think Abasi a number of my fellow posters have the belief that our club can turn any player around and get the best out of them. So they see the potential of any delisted player from other clubs and they say to themselves " At Hawthorn ...................."

I see players like Adcock (x captain, great work ethic, aged below 30 )get delisted and go gee he would be good at us as back up small forward or defender, BUT at what cost. The cost being we won't develop our next generation of players.

For me, I said a long way back we should give Mitch Brown a go because he can be back KPD or KPF . His issues were with his shoulder have now been resolved. If he remains fit has 6+ years in the system so he wouldn't clog our list.

 

[whiteTiga2k]

Daniel Gorrenge? Is he any good?

 

[Jade]

Not specifically a trade that Hawthorn were involved in, but a copy of a post I put on the D&T board:

Very interesting note;

At the members forum last night, a member posed a question as to why Essendon had 'again' be fined by the AFL for breaching the Anti-Doping code. I don't know if any of you recall the incident in question, but here's a link for anyone interested:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-05/essendon-among-four-clubs-fined-for-asada-breach

The answer, given by Rob Kerr, was revealing. He said, very pointedly, that when players go on end of season leave, they are required to do a post season medical, and then attend the administration office to let the club know where they are going and when so that this information can be passed on to ASADA.

Whilst not mentioning Carlisle by name, he 'spat' (for lack of a better word), that a player that had 'quit the club', didn't show for either of these requirements; and the inference was very clear that it WAS Carlisle. Worth noting that Carlisle WAS still under contract at this time, and was obligated to complete these requirements.

In addition, Kerr thanked Hawthorn by name when discussing our off season activities and then stated, and I quote, that 'St Kilda attempted to stitch us up'.

These two pieces of information reaffirmed for me two facts that I thought were reasonably obvious even at the time:

1) Carlisle is an incredibly unprofessional person.
2) St Kilda acted like rank amateurs, and were deliberately attempting to 'under' a deal.

Absolutely deserving of each other. If I was a betting man I dare say in several years this deal is going to be looked at VERY harshly by St Kilda fans.

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That angry little man of yours is basically my second favourite performer from the trade period. If not for you blokes coming in, those absolute bloody amateurs at the Saints would have continued to try and be campaigners basically.

So thanks Hawks.

 

[Agent Smith]

That feels better

Close, but I thought it was more like this:

 

[PhatHQ]

You can't exactly rest down back that's why. You can rest up forward though because you're dictating when and how you want to run the majority of the time, down back it is the opponent dictating that the majority of the time.

The point could be argued that forwards have to move just as much with defensive & attacking structures that are utilised at Hawthorn. Look at the amount of work there is in pushing into defence to move the ball forward. I would say that there isn't a great deal of difference regardless of who is dictating the play. In the case of Hawthorn being dictated to then there is more chance a backman will be stuck inside the 50 defending & that a "resting forward" will have pushed up the ground to impact on a contest or be running to make space or a play only to have to push deeper forward to hit the scoreboard. On the off chance that Hawthorn is dictating the play then a deep defensive post would be the best spot to rest given the ball is up the other end a lot of the time & that Fitzy is somewhat capable of making a defensive play if it comes his way. But that's just my POV

 

[PhatHQ]

Daniel Gorrenge? Is he any good?

I think he'd go ok with an attitude adjustment. Big, fit, run all day... Apparently has a degenerative heart condition that can't be resolved.... Asoftiouscokerus or something like that. If he could resolve that I recon he would come good

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

Has a delisted player from another club jumped into the frame? Simpkin or pick 112 in the National draft?

 

[Glacier]

Close, but I thought it was more like this:

Thanks all
Im back on track now

 

[Davo23]

Not specifically a trade that Hawthorn were involved in, but a copy of a post I put on the D&T board:

Very interesting note;

At the members forum last night, a member posed a question as to why Essendon had 'again' be fined by the AFL for breaching the Anti-Doping code. I don't know if any of you recall the incident in question, but here's a link for anyone interested:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-05/essendon-among-four-clubs-fined-for-asada-breach

The answer, given by Rob Kerr, was revealing. He said, very pointedly, that when players go on end of season leave, they are required to do a post season medical, and then attend the administration office to let the club know where they are going and when so that this information can be passed on to ASADA.

Whilst not mentioning Carlisle by name, he 'spat' (for lack of a better word), that a player that had 'quit the club', didn't show for either of these requirements; and the inference was very clear that it WAS Carlisle. Worth noting that Carlisle WAS still under contract at this time, and was obligated to complete these requirements.

In addition, Kerr thanked Hawthorn by name when discussing our off season activities and then stated, and I quote, that 'St Kilda attempted to stitch us up'.

These two pieces of information reaffirmed for me two facts that I thought were reasonably obvious even at the time:

1) Carlisle is an incredibly unprofessional person.
2) St Kilda acted like rank amateurs, and were deliberately attempting to 'under' a deal.

Absolutely deserving of each other. If I was a betting man I dare say in several years this deal is going to be looked at VERY harshly by St Kilda fans.

--------------------------------------------

That angry little man of yours is basically my second favourite performer from the trade period. If not for you blokes coming in, those absolute bloody amateurs at the Saints would have continued to try and be campaigners basically.

So thanks Hawks.

I hate Carlisle, and I'm sure he's a piece of sh*t.
But he's been right royally screwed by the scumbag media, and I'm sure Essendon has something to do with the release of the video.

Also you're happily wallowing in all the crap.

 

[Jade]

I hate Carlisle, and I'm sure he's a piece of sh*t.
But he's been right royally screwed by the scumbag media, and I'm sure Essendon has something to do with the release of the video.

Also you're happily wallowing in all the crap.

According to all reports, no, Essendon had nothing to do with it.

Would fail the common sense test too, as ACA had the video BEFORE the trade; not a good position for Essendon to be in at all.

 

[cryptor]

Has a delisted player from another club jumped into the frame? Simpkin or pick 112 in the National draft?

If we're going to use another pick in the draft it will be the one that is/was earmarked for the upgrade of Heatherley. So we'd use pick 76 and Heatherley would be upgraded with 112.

I think you're point still stands though. Don't see us using a pick as late as 76 on a draftee. Unless there's a state level player we're keen on. They'd have to be better than Simpkin though.

 

[Davo23]

According to all reports, no, Essendon had nothing to do with it.

Would fail the common sense test too, as ACA had the video BEFORE the trade; not a good position for Essendon to be in at all.

So the video was released just AFTER Essendon secured a great trade, yet Essendon was not responsuible for it being released at that time?

LOL
Yes, I believe that.

I also believe James Hird has great hair.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Not specifically a trade that Hawthorn were involved in, but a copy of a post I put on the D&T board:

Very interesting note;

At the members forum last night, a member posed a question as to why Essendon had 'again' be fined by the AFL for breaching the Anti-Doping code. I don't know if any of you recall the incident in question, but here's a link for anyone interested:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-05/essendon-among-four-clubs-fined-for-asada-breach

The answer, given by Rob Kerr, was revealing. He said, very pointedly, that when players go on end of season leave, they are required to do a post season medical, and then attend the administration office to let the club know where they are going and when so that this information can be passed on to ASADA.

Whilst not mentioning Carlisle by name, he 'spat' (for lack of a better word), that a player that had 'quit the club', didn't show for either of these requirements; and the inference was very clear that it WAS Carlisle. Worth noting that Carlisle WAS still under contract at this time, and was obligated to complete these requirements.

In addition, Kerr thanked Hawthorn by name when discussing our off season activities and then stated, and I quote, that 'St Kilda attempted to stitch us up'.

These two pieces of information reaffirmed for me two facts that I thought were reasonably obvious even at the time:

1) Carlisle is an incredibly unprofessional person.
2) St Kilda acted like rank amateurs, and were deliberately attempting to 'under' a deal.

Absolutely deserving of each other. If I was a betting man I dare say in several years this deal is going to be looked at VERY harshly by St Kilda fans.

--------------------------------------------

That angry little man of yours is basically my second favourite performer from the trade period. If not for you blokes coming in, those absolute bloody amateurs at the Saints would have continued to try and be campaigners basically.

So thanks Hawks.

Jade, I think there's still a few questions around here as to what our involvement actually means.

Were we in for Carlisle completely, just throwing in a late bid because we could or were we brought in to help Essendon get what they needed with a handshake agreement of some draft bidding to come in return.

 

[Jade]

So the video was released just AFTER Essendon secured a great trade, yet Essendon was not responsuible for it being released at that time?

LOL
Yes, I believe that.

I also believe James Hird has great hair.

Whether you believe it or not those are the facts my friend.

 

[Jade]

Jade, I think there's still a few questions around here as to what our involvement actually means.

Were we in for Carlisle completely, just throwing in a late bid because we could or were we brought in to help Essendon get what they needed with a handshake agreement of some draft bidding to come in return.

Either way, I can confirm that Rob Kerr did thank the Hawks last night.

 

[Davo23]

Whether you believe it or not those are the facts my friend.

These facts, you mean "from all reports" as you posted?

And I'm not your friend, mate.

 

[Jade]

These facts, you mean "from all reports" as you posted?

And I'm not your friend, mate.

No, they are the facts.

'By all reports' was/is a turn of phrase that I used.

If you take offense to people calling you 'friend' that'd be a slight worry.