List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Free agency and draft rumours

[savagelunchbox]

Derp, Jack Fitzpatrick played full back this year. He may not have won a spoon this season but he was in a shit side and got about as many games as Watson.

Wow, you are the definition of stupid you think Fitzgibbons was recruited to play as a defender.

 

[Kuuz]

I would suggest that Daw is about as much chance of being made into a CHB as Sam Grimley is of being a Hawthorn premiership player.

It's not going to happen.

 

[PhatHQ]

I get that hes a phenomenal athlete, probably one of the only ones who rivals Nic Nat.

But hes shown some serious glimpses, kicked 6 in a game, dominated another before getting knocked out, flashes thereabouts.

Lots of knee issues.

Court case aside, wouldnt he be the perfect rookie? Definite upgrade on Grimley.

How does he compare to Fitzpatrick?

Probably shown more than him too to be fair.

I get that he was delisted for a reason, and am sure most clubs' supporters would be at least asking the question?

Clubs probably less interested obviously but could he be developed into a CHB?

Fast, strong, can take a contested mark. Maybe not a pure footballer, but could he be moulded into a role playing CHB with a small role in the ruck or FWD.

Its still silly season, but surely hes at least worth debating?

Im all for a good debate.
Court case... Not with a 10 foot pole.
I don't see Majak as a skilled structural general that can pinpoint attack strategys, Ala Lake or Gibbo, more a see ball get ball that can play forward & jump in the ruck as a support to BB or Cegs. Essentially he would be competing against Fitzy for the same role. Probably a better ruck prospect than Fitzy but what do I know...
I like ...... Who would make a good forward that can go back at a stretch.
So no Majak from me

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Im all for a good debate.
Court case... Not with a 10 foot pole.
I don't see Majak as a skilled structural general that can pinpoint attack strategys, Ala Lake or Gibbo, more a see ball get ball that can play forward & jump in the ruck as a support to BB or Cegs. Essentially he would be competing against Fitzy for the same role. Probably a better ruck prospect than Fitzy but what do I know...
I like ...... Who would make a good forward that can go back at a stretch.
So no Majak from me

Majak is better than Fitzy but obviously their are also external factors.

 

[PhatHQ]

I proposed this weeks ago and everyone told me I was smoking something.

Did you beat me to the Watson debate? I thought I was the only one.... Such a lonely trail this one! Lol

 

[Gralin]

Majak is better than Fitzy but obviously their are also external factors.

As a physical specimen maybe but as a footballer, doubt it, just cause Daw can run fast and jump doesn't mean he knows how to play footy, I give you Nic Nats GF performance as exhibit A

 

[PhatHQ]

Well my ideas are more in line with the club's, we did pick up Fitzpatrick as a backup after all.

I thought it would be Gorringe

 

[Lethality]

Wow, you are the definition of stupid you think Fitzgibbons was recruited to play as a defender.

I just observe where he has played, it's been mostly at either ends of the ground. If I brought up Fitzpatrick a few months ago no doubt you would have had the same scornful reaction that you have for the idea of Watson being recruited.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

As a physical specimen maybe but as a footballer, doubt it, just cause Daw can run fast and jump doesn't mean he knows how to play footy, I give you Nic Nats GF performance as exhibit A

Fitzy is one of the most uncoordinated footballers I've seen.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Ummm, I'm not sure how to break this to you......the Grimley has been delisted.

 

[Gralin]

Fitzy is one of the most uncoordinated footballers I've seen.

So if my math is correct fantastic athlete = shite footballer therefor shite athlete = fantastic footballer, Hawks have done it again bucking the trend

 

[Changa10]

Is this the one Glacier ?

 

[Davo-27]

Is this the one Glacier ?

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Winter is Coming..... and so are the Wight Walkers

 

[wahawk]

Not saying our youngsters will get us to the ultimate, but they are more of a chance than delisted guys mentioned here

What ?
Are you including Matthew Watson ?

 

[wahawk]

I proposed this weeks ago and everyone told me I was smoking something.

I actually thought that you were taking the p!ss outta yourself.

Then when you kept it going, I thought, you love having the p!ss taken outta you

But, you are f##kin serious, aren't you ?

 

[triple treat]

Wow, you are the definition of stupid you think Fitzgibbons was recruited to play as a defender.

well that makes 2 of us...... the only decent footy hes played was in defence, and we seem to be 1 tall defender short!!!!!!!!!

 

[Davo-27]

Matthew Watson isnt worth the time, you could recruit 3 random 190+ cm forward/defenders in the 2015 draft and they would not only perform better than Watson but have potential to develope and learn, once a player gets to about 22, he is at the peak of his abilities and its about finding where he plays best, but he is limited at that stage i believe, Watson is right now at the best he is gonna get and his best is horrible.....

 

[Davo-27]

well that makes 2 of us...... the only decent footy hes played was in defence, and we seem to be 1 tall defender short!!!!!!!!!

im curious, how many tall defenders do you think we need? Gibson, Frawley, Spangher, Stratton, Brand, Heatherley, is 6 enough?

 

[Dewnior]

im curious, how many tall defenders do you think we need? Gibson, Frawley, Spangher, Stratton, Brand, Heatherley, is 6 enough?

To be fair, Stratts is not suited to defending talls, Spangher is injury prone, Brand just had both shoulders reconstructed, Gibbo only has a couple of years left in him and plays his best as a floating spoiler and Heatherly is still a Kiwi experiment. If Frawley goes down we could be in a fair bit of trouble.

 

[Dewnior]

double post

 

[Lethality]

I actually thought that you were taking the p!ss outta yourself.

Then when you kept it going, I thought, you love having the p!ss taken outta you

But, you are f##kin serious, aren't you ?

The club has taken in so-called potatoes in the past and done ok with them, it shouldn't be so far-fetched that they could continue doing it.

 

[wahawk]

The club has taken in so-called potatoes in the past and done ok with them, it shouldn't be so far-fetched that they could continue doing it.

Mate I was taking the p!ss

 

[seysearles]

If some people are keen on Watson and Warnock, their going to lose their s#!t over Majak Daw..!

For the record I would absolutely swoop on him just before the Roos can in the rookie or PS draft.

Turn him into a CHB.

I see him better working security detail for Clarkson.

 

[Dipper]

So rather than drafting rucks and then losing the value of those draft picks, it's probably much more sensible to pick up the biggest bargain basement ruckmen you can so you're maximising returns.

I know that we we got through a number of 'project ruckmen' a few years, back, most only lasting a year or so but providing valuable back up but it's interesting that both Hale and McEvoy were both very high draft picks you almost wonder whether it's a model that's being followed. Big men take more time to develop and rucks are the biggest of the big men, let other clubs draft ones with genuine potential and use up a few years on their list in development time then strike when they're reaching their peak.

If it's not a model then it should be!

Bailey went reasonably high and with all his injuries we didn't get our return for a long time and even then it in terms of games played it was a pretty poor return although playing in a flag winning side obviously makes it all worthwhile but his career shows the benefit of taking the opposite approach.

Our ruckmen in this 3 peat dynasty went for picks 7,9 and 18 but for the first 2 we allowed other clubs to kindly develop them for about 9 and 5 years, whilst we had to wait a good 5 or 6 years for our own one to offer anything back.

Of course Ceglar is looking pretty good as a cheap pick up.

Pittonet didn't go super high but wasn't he the second highest ruck selected in his draft? Although he looked like someone that could potentially be ready to play AFL (physically anyway) a lot sooner than most, which may have played a part in the decision to take him.

FA makes it even less attractive to take rucks in the draft, as by the time they're hitting their straps you could lose them for nothing....probably unrestricted too. I seem to remember it being mentioned in Pittonet's draft that there was a pattern developing for fewer and fewer ruckmen to be taken with high picks so maybe lists managers in general are cottoning on to this or maybe they're becoming worried about their jobs and not wanting to use picks on players that might develop after they've been sacked!

 

[PhatHQ]

To be fair, Stratts is not suited to defending talls, Spangher is injury prone, Brand just had both shoulders reconstructed, Gibbo only has a couple of years left in him and plays his best as a floating spoiler and Heatherly is still a Kiwi experiment. If Frawley goes down we could be in a fair bit of trouble.

Kiwi experiment... Lol
Gotta love that
I have never understood why a ruck can't be a ruck/def... If they can rest forward why not back? Bailey was once a defender turned ruck I believe & so if Fitzy has played some good footy there why not groom that. I think that without a sub this year a second ruck will be resting 70-80% on the pine anyway & the ruck/fwd role will diminish to allow more forward rotation for mids to rest. If Fitzy can take a grab & kick a goal then great! You want a ruck that can drift forward but after seeing his interview he looked genuinely happy for the time spent in defence.... There could be a Fitzy twist coming from Clarko