2016 Brisbane Lions starting line up

[Len S]

Care to explain how our treatment of injured was a joke?

 

[Len S]

Care to explain how our treatment of injured was a joke?

Young players ,such as Gardiner being permitted to play,carrying injuries.

 

[chopperduck]

Player plays with an injury!? Outrageous, cant believe this has happened. It's not like any other play plays through injury.

Seriously, you can't damn the club on those decisions when you have no idea about the injury, its impact on the player or the players wishes. The vast majority of players would play at some point during the season carrying and injury or niggle.

 

[a mayes ing]

Young players ,such as Gardiner being permitted to play,carrying injuries.

Every club has player/s carrying some kind of niggle/injury.

 

[M Malice]

if every player we had on our list who had an injury didn't play in 2015, we wouldn't have been able to field a side some weeks.

Every club has player/s carrying some kind of niggle/injury.

Player plays with an injury!? Outrageous, cant believe this has happened. It's not like any other play plays through injury.

Seriously, you can't damn the club on those decisions when you have no idea about the injury, its impact on the player or the players wishes. The vast majority of players would play at some point during the season carrying and injury or niggle.

agree with you chopperduck and a mayes ing

 

[Len S]

Every club has player/s carrying some kind of niggle/injury.

This is a never ending story,bit if you don't think the Rocky - broken ribs issue wasn't a case beyond a niggle,and case for kicking official backsides, I can't help you mate.

 

[a mayes ing]

This is a never ending story,bit if you don't think the Rocky - broken ribs issue wasn't a case beyond a niggle,and case for kicking official backsides, I can't help you mate.

This isn't about Rocky and his ribs. (Although if you don't think someone like Hodge from Hawthorne wouldn't try and play with semi healed ribs then you are kidding yourself)

There were probably a lot of players in our team wwho had injuries or niggles yet we played them. Every team does it, just off the top off my memory wasn't Hannebery from Sydney playing injured last season or the season before.
Tom Hawkins from Geelong with his back several seasons ago.
Gold Coast with Abblett.
Fremantle with Ballantyne.
Saint Kilda with Reiwoldt.
Etc.etc.

 

[Skoob]

This is a never ending story,bit if you don't think the Rocky - broken ribs issue wasn't a case beyond a niggle,and case for kicking official backsides, I can't help you mate.

The second injury to his ribs was bad luck, but he was an equal chance to make it through that game. What Rocky had to add in terms of leadership and experience, probably made it worth the risk.
We weren't playing for premiership points last season, we were playing for experience and development. Although I'd always favour a win over a loss, the bigger picture was getting our core functioning together. He would have been a better than 50/50 proposition and in the circumstances, playing him was an okay decision.

 

[Jman78]

Am I the only onr who thinks Jansen is a good shot for round 1?

 

[AFLQLD]

Am I the only onr who thinks Jansen is a good shot for round 1?

At this early stage I would think he is in the mix along with plenty of others. I think the latter stages of preseason, intraclub games and preseason games will probably be the deciding factors for players such as Jansen. From all reports we have had from our training crew so far he is doing everything right.

 

[BrizzyBandit]

FB: HAndrews. DMerrett. DMcStay.
HB: CBeams. JClarke. TCutler.

C: PHanley. DBeams. DRich.
Foll: SMartin. TRockcliff. RBastinac.

HF: TBell. JSchache. AChristensen.
FF: JGreen. JWalker. JFreeman.

Interchange: DZorko. MPaparone. MRobinson. LTaylor.


All this talk of Mayes playing in defense.... On current form I can't even get him in our 22.

On a side note... My 22 has
3 x Dan's
3 x Josh's
2 x Beams
3 x Tom's
2 x Dayne's

Gee I hope they have their nick names sorted.

 

[Milux]

FB: HAndrews. DMerrett. DMcStay.
HB: CBeams. JClarke. TCutler.

C: PHanley. DBeams. DRich.
Foll: SMartin. TRockcliff. RBastinac.

HF: TBell. JSchache. AChristensen.
FF: JGreen. JWalker. JFreeman.

Interchange: DZorko. MPaparone. MRobinson. LTaylor.


All this talk of Mayes playing in defense.... On current form I can't even get him in our 22.

On a side note... My 22 has
3 x Dan's
3 x Josh's
2 x Beams
3 x Tom's
2 x Dayne's

Gee I hope they have their nick names sorted.

Thats one exciting team. Whats more exciting is the players left out like mayes harwood and jansen who could slot in any where.

 

[matwt73]

Surprised not to see too many picking Gardiner, that guy is uncompromising which is great in a backline. What is good though is that he isn't a walk up starter, nice bit of depth developing here.

I rate Gardiner very highly. Of the three tall defenders though, Clarke is the most developed, Andrews appears to be developing nicely through playing the third tall/ floating role. Gardiner I expect will do a bit of his learning through the NEAFL this year, put on some more bulk and then replace Sauce for 2017. He has only just turned 20, so the idea that he will pick up a few games next year and then cement his senior position after three years in the system I'm pretty comfortable with. That's probably how it should work as opposed to the Clarke, 200 games before you turn 18 method.*

*I may have used exaggeration for rhetoric effect

 

[pOleK]

FB: HAndrews. DMerrett. DMcStay.
HB: CBeams. JClarke. TCutler.

C: PHanley. DBeams. DRich.
Foll: SMartin. TRockcliff. RBastinac.

HF: TBell. JSchache. AChristensen.
FF: JGreen. JWalker. JFreeman.

Interchange: DZorko. MPaparone. MRobinson. LTaylor.


All this talk of Mayes playing in defense.... On current form I can't even get him in our 22.

On a side note... My 22 has
3 x Dan's
3 x Josh's
2 x Beams
3 x Tom's
2 x Dayne's

Gee I hope they have their nick names sorted.

I really do love this team. Has the right mix of height, skill, defence/offence on each line with players in their 2nd-4th year hungry for a game who are ready to slot in when needed. Really hope we are not hit by injuries again because I really like this team

 

[pOleK]

Oh and 1st year boys wanting to kickstart their careers.

 

[M Malice]

FB: HAndrews. DMerrett. DMcStay.
HB: CBeams. JClarke. TCutler.

C: PHanley. DBeams. DRich.
Foll: SMartin. TRockcliff. RBastinac.

HF: TBell. JSchache. AChristensen.
FF: JGreen. JWalker. JFreeman.

Interchange: DZorko. MPaparone. MRobinson. LTaylor.


All this talk of Mayes playing in defense.... On current form I can't even get him in our 22.

On a side note... My 22 has
3 x Dan's
3 x Josh's
2 x Beams
3 x Tom's
2 x Dayne's

Gee I hope they have their nick names sorted.

love the look of this team too, the only questions i would have on it would be. can schache and freeman play in the same side? i am a fan of harwood and the run he provides off HB but he will be competing with c. beams for the spot who i also like.

 

[POBT]

I like Gardiner but I'm just a little unsure of his long term role in a side where Clarke and probably Andrews are pretty much locked into tall defensive spots. As I see it, there are a few options:

- he plays 2nd tall, allowing Andrews to float a bit. The question mark here is whether he is the right size to play as a genuine tall.

- he plays as the 3rd tall. Ideally though, you don't want your 3rd tall as a pure negator - he would need to start taking intercept marks and/or providing rebound.

- he plays as a flexible mid sized defender, a bit like Patfull did towards the end of his time here. But you need to be fairly athletic to play on smaller types and, as above, you'd ideally want a bit more offensive threat than what Gardiner has shown so far.

Regardless of what position he plays, I think he needs more to his game than the defensive, spoiling side of things. I hope that when he does play seniors, he's given a licence to go for his marks. He has a great ability to read play and we should encourage him to win the ball back.

Right now, I have him outside the best 22. Assuming Merrett, Clarke and Andrews all play, then his best hope for a senior spot is probably to hope Leppa continues to pick tall defensive groups and he gets a run as a Stratton type of mid sized defender.

 

[13Beast]

Good post POBT. Personally, I like option one, having him playing on the 2nd tall. Some might say he is a bit small for that, but he seems switched on and I reckon he can do the job. Can always cover or switch it up with some our other talls if he's getting monstered in a game.
The current afl obsession with "bigger, faster, stronger" doesn't hold much water with me when some guys can just play football hands down, regardless of what may be a perceived lack in height or speed etc. I think Gardiner is worth persisting with and if he continues to develop can definitely find a spot in our best 22 back-line. Although, on a side note, it's going to be interesting to see which possie Paine is being groomed for. Might be direct competition right there towards Gardiner.

 

[Kevvo]

This year I reckon Gardiner's spot may vary and depend on form, but ultimately I see him playing Merrett's role when Merrett moves on. I guess that's probably close enough to option 1 above. Skinner could be interesting competition for Gardiner in that role.

 

[Viceregal]

Good post POBT. Personally, I like option one, having him playing on the 2nd tall. Some might say he is a bit small for that, but he seems switched on and I reckon he can do the job. Can always cover or switch it up with some our other talls if he's getting monstered in a game.

This year I reckon Gardiner's spot may vary and depend on form, but ultimately I see him playing Merrett's role when Merrett moves on. I guess that's probably close enough to option 1 above. Skinner could be interesting competition for Gardiner in that role.

How does not tall enough for a second tall and next in line for first tall end up in the same discussion about the same player? Or is first tall more about bulk or reach than height and second tall vice versa or ... ?

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

I like Gardiner but I'm just a little unsure of his long term role in a side where Clarke and probably Andrews are pretty much locked into tall defensive spots. As I see it, there are a few options:

- he plays 2nd tall, allowing Andrews to float a bit. The question mark here is whether he is the right size to play as a genuine tall.

- he plays as the 3rd tall. Ideally though, you don't want your 3rd tall as a pure negator - he would need to start taking intercept marks and/or providing rebound.

- he plays as a flexible mid sized defender, a bit like Patfull did towards the end of his time here. But you need to be fairly athletic to play on smaller types and, as above, you'd ideally want a bit more offensive threat than what Gardiner has shown so far.

Regardless of what position he plays, I think he needs more to his game than the defensive, spoiling side of things. I hope that when he does play seniors, he's given a licence to go for his marks. He has a great ability to read play and we should encourage him to win the ball back.

Right now, I have him outside the best 22. Assuming Merrett, Clarke and Andrews all play, then his best hope for a senior spot is probably to hope Leppa continues to pick tall defensive groups and he gets a run as a Stratton type of mid sized defender.

I see him developing into that 2nd Tall option. At his size I see no reason why he can't compete against forwards around that 195 mark. The concern seems to be that the talls are getting taller, with the recently rated talls closer to that 2m mark,Patton, Boyd, Daniher, Moore, Wright, Schache...this is where hopefully Clarke, Skinner or Andrews can step up against these type. Theres still a lot of decent forward under 195 that will need decent negative minded defender on them.

I would personally like to see him playing a lot this year. I think it would be great to get as many games into Clarke, Gardiner and Andrews as possible, playing all three along side Merrett. The team would be a little top heavy and lack some rebound, but would benefit us post-Merrett.

 

[pOleK]

This year I reckon Gardiner's spot may vary and depend on form, but ultimately I see him playing Merrett's role when Merrett moves on. I guess that's probably close enough to option 1 above. Skinner could be interesting competition for Gardiner in that role.

I completely forgot baiut Skinner. We also have Paparone and Hipwood back there who may also compete for a spot in the backline. Love the young depth though, if someone is injured or in other cases performing not so well could be a wakeup call to those players to step up there game.

 

[chopperduck]

This is a never ending story,bit if you don't think the Rocky - broken ribs issue wasn't a case beyond a niggle,and case for kicking official backsides, I can't help you mate.

Probably happens multiple times a season without people knowing. Clarke played out a game after breaking his jaw or cheek or something. Lappin played in a GF with cracked ribs, it is possible to do, and is often upto the player themselves.

 

[THE MIGHTY ROAR]

FB:Andrews Gardiner Cutler
HB:McStay Clarke Paperone
C:Robertson Beams Hanley
HF:Bell Walker Christensen
FF:Green Freeman Schache
R:Martin Rockliff Bastinac
INT:Rich Zorco Robinson Mathieson

 

[POBT]

Whenever I put Gardiner into my side for round 1, I have to drop another player who provides a bit more of an offensive threat or who gives us more positional flexibility. I'm not opposed to going with four talls but it probably means a guy like Dawson or Paparone drops out of the first string defensive group.