2016 Brisbane Lions starting line up

[captainrich]

Sorry for intruding guys but have a couple of things to say.

Firstly, don't allow a trade for Stefan Martin. Easier said than done but he is far to important to lose
Secondly, let me congratulate you on the signing of Josh Schache*. He'll be a beauty and meets a need for you. *imminent with #1 pick
Thirdly, whether you end up with pick 1 or not do all within your power to get Charlie Dixon across from the Suns. And be prepared to give up whats required
Fourthly, put Sam Mayes name in any trade calculations. Seems to have stagnated somewhat and I don't see a legitimate want/need for him in the team. Harsh maybe but I can see him in a package deal to the Suns for Dixon. Adelaide clubs would show interest as well.

And lastly for now can anyone give me a progress report on Josh McGuiness's season in the NEAFL. His light bodied I know but a smart player, who attracts the ball and uses it well. If his body is up to it I think he'll make a contribution to the best 22 in 2016.

Same goes for Liam Dawson, if it comes down to Mayes V Dawson at selection in 2016 than go with the latter in Dawson unless badly out of touch or injured.

Mayes has shown alot over the past couple of weeks, is a smooth mover and quite a good kick, and is loyal to the club we would surely not get rid of him

 

[jackess]

Sorry for intruding guys but have a couple of things to say.

Firstly, don't allow a trade for Stefan Martin. Easier said than done but he is far to important to lose
Secondly, let me congratulate you on the signing of Josh Schache*. He'll be a beauty and meets a need for you. *imminent with #1 pick
Thirdly, whether you end up with pick 1 or not do all within your power to get Charlie Dixon across from the Suns. And be prepared to give up whats required
Fourthly, put Sam Mayes name in any trade calculations. Seems to have stagnated somewhat and I don't see a legitimate want/need for him in the team. Harsh maybe but I can see him in a package deal to the Suns for Dixon. Adelaide clubs would show interest as well.

And lastly for now can anyone give me a progress report on Josh McGuiness's season in the NEAFL. His light bodied I know but a smart player, who attracts the ball and uses it well. If his body is up to it I think he'll make a contribution to the best 22 in 2016.

Same goes for Liam Dawson, if it comes down to Mayes V Dawson at selection in 2016 than go with the latter in Dawson unless badly out of touch or injured.

On Mayes stagnating. Do you trade him when his trade value is at a minimum or do you back the systems you have your club to turn his form around?

On Mayes vs Dawson. I think Mayes is a lot more mobile than Dawson while sharing a lot of his other skills. While long term I see Dawson locked into a forward or back flank Mayes is more likely to end up on a wing or through the midfield. More upside in Mayes IMO.

McGuiness was finding a bit of form playing on the wing before injury but is a project player with minimal upside. More likely to not make it in the AFL than actually having a career in the AFL IMO.

 

[getgaff]

At an early call my 2016 Lions line up

BACKS: Claye Beams ~ Daniel Merrett ~ Harris Andrews/ Darcy Gardiner
HALF BACKS: Nick Robertson/ Marco Paparone ~ Justin Clarke ~ Daniel Rich

CENTRES: Dayne Zorko ~ Dayne Beams ~ Pearce Hanley
FOLLOWERS: Stefan Martin ~ Tom Rockliff ~ Jack Redden

HALF FORWARDS: Mitch Robinson ~ Daniel McStay ~ Allen Christensen
FULL FORWARDS: Jonathan Freeman/ Michael Close/ Charlie Dixon (2 of the 3) ~ Lewis Taylor

INTERCHANGE: Josh Green ~ Liam Dawson ~ Josh McGuiness ~ Zac O'Brien

IN THE MIX: Ben Keays ~ Josh Schache ~ Eric Hipwood ~ Ryan Harwood ~ Trent West ~ Marco Paparone ~ Tom Cutler ~ Jaden McGrath ~ Josh Clayton ~ Billy Evans

 

[getgaff]

Mayes has shown alot over the past couple of weeks, is a smooth mover and quite a good kick, and is loyal to the club we would surely not get rid of him

Mayes is a definite smooth mover and has high quality disposal efficiency, not doubting that, but to land a big fish you need to throw some quality bait out. Mayes would be the type of player who can be a deal breaker especially at the Suns who don't have a lot of "taller" midfielders as such

 

[jackess]

At an early call my 2016 Lions line up

BACKS: Claye Beams ~ Daniel Merrett ~ Harris Andrews/ Darcy Gardiner
HALF BACKS: Nick Robertson/ Marco Paparone ~ Justin Clarke ~ Daniel Rich

CENTRES: Dayne Zorko ~ Dayne Beams ~ Pearce Hanley
FOLLOWERS: Stefan Martin ~ Tom Rockliff ~ Jack Redden

HALF FORWARDS: Mitch Robinson ~ Daniel McStay ~ Allen Christensen
FULL FORWARDS: Jonathan Freeman/ Michael Close/ Charlie Dixon (2 of the 3) ~ Lewis Taylor

INTERCHANGE: Josh Green ~ Liam Dawson ~ Josh McGuiness ~ Zac O'Brien

IN THE MIX: Ben Keays ~ Josh Schache ~ Eric Hipwood ~ Ryan Harwood ~ Trent West ~ Marco Paparone ~ Tom Cutler ~ Jaden McGrath ~ Josh Clayton ~ Billy Evans

Sensing some Josh McGuiness bias here.

 

[Schache It Off]

Mayes is a definite smooth mover and has high quality disposal efficiency, not doubting that, but to land a big fish you need to throw some quality bait out. Mayes would be the type of player who can be a deal breaker especially at the Suns who don't have a lot of "taller" midfielders as such

Don't think we are in a position to trade Mayes considering he has been very loyal ever since the Go home 5..

We are in a unique situation, we just can't afford to trade our loyal kids, especially when they are top ten...Something we are lacking

 

[getgaff]

On Mayes stagnating. Do you trade him when his trade value is at a minimum or do you back the systems you have your club to turn his form around?

On Mayes vs Dawson. I think Mayes is a lot more mobile than Dawson while sharing a lot of his other skills. While long term I see Dawson locked into a forward or back flank Mayes is more likely to end up on a wing or through the midfield. More upside in Mayes IMO.

McGuiness was finding a bit of form playing on the wing before injury but is a project player with minimal upside. More likely to not make it in the AFL than actually having a career in the AFL IMO.

If it's to land a big forward you need to cut your losses RE: Mayes. The midfield depth has already been strengthened in the 2014 trade period and I'd have Mayes as a second tier outside wingman at an absolute stretch.

Dawson and Mayes are two different players, the only real comparison is size. Dawson is more contested ball where as Mayes is more outside, run and carry.

That's unfortunate RE: McGuiness because he's a smart player, reads the play well and disposes well but I had a bad feeling his body might fail him.

 

[getgaff]

Sensing some Josh McGuiness bias here.

Your right. I've jumped the gun a bit there because I liked what I heard about him pre the 2014 draft, but it's unfortunate for the kid. Has the playing attributes to make a career just not physical attributes.

 

[getgaff]

So I'm going to presume that not a lot of members here want Mayes included as trade bait?

It's fair enough because loyalty has been an issue with draftees to the Lions and Mayes has bucked that trend of Polec, Yeo, Longer, Docherty, Karnezis etc by staying loyal whilst seeing fellow draftees/ mates return home but like I said before to catch a big fish you need to put tempting bait out there.

Mayes is that type of tempting bait that could draw a big goal kicking forward to your club.

 

[lionshine]

At an early call my 2016 Lions line up

BACKS: Claye Beams ~ Daniel Merrett ~ Harris Andrews/ Darcy Gardiner
HALF BACKS: Nick Robertson/ Marco Paparone ~ Justin Clarke ~ Daniel Rich

CENTRES: Dayne Zorko ~ Dayne Beams ~ Pearce Hanley
FOLLOWERS: Stefan Martin ~ Tom Rockliff ~ Jack Redden

HALF FORWARDS: Mitch Robinson ~ Daniel McStay ~ Allen Christensen
FULL FORWARDS: Jonathan Freeman/ Michael Close/ Charlie Dixon (2 of the 3) ~ Lewis Taylor

INTERCHANGE: Josh Green ~ Liam Dawson ~ Josh McGuiness ~ Zac O'Brien

IN THE MIX: Ben Keays ~ Josh Schache ~ Eric Hipwood ~ Ryan Harwood ~ Trent West ~ Marco Paparone ~ Tom Cutler ~ Jaden McGrath ~ Josh Clayton ~ Billy Evans

Would have almost all the players you have listed as "in the mix" in the best 22 before Zac O'Brien.

 

[getgaff]

Would have almost all the players you have listed as "in the mix" in the best 22 before Zac O'Brien.

That's a good thing, means that there is depth available. Someone like Keays could really impress in the pre season and push for a game in Round 1. Loving the fact that this team is generating constructive feedback, I know it's a little early but thats OK.

What I like about O'Brien is that he accumulates the ball, might butcher it but he is an attractor of the pill. Already a bigger body than any new raw draftees being mature aged and is a gut runner.

 

[dlanod]

So I'm going to presume that not a lot of members here want Mayes included as trade bait?

I don't even think it's about loyalty. To use a presumably close to home example, Gaff was slow to come on and stagnated in his third year and regressed a fair bit. Were you arguing that WC should be getting rid of him towards the end of that year? Mayes is heading towards the end of his third year. I don't think many players peak at 21, especially after a transition from a half-forward flanker (his pre-draft bio) to a true wing/half-back flanker with the corresponding increase in both running and responsibility.

 

[dlanod]

What I like about O'Brien is that he accumulates the ball, might butcher it but he is an attractor of the pill. Already a bigger body than any new raw draftees being mature aged and is a gut runner.

Both of our teams had someone by that description before, and he's out of the AFL. There's not really a great position for those in our game any more unless they have some other truly elite talent to keep them in a team. Sewell is probably another good example of that type of player, and he went on the scrap heap very quickly when his elite level ball extraction skills started fading.

 

[getgaff]

I don't even think it's about loyalty. To use a presumably close to home example, Gaff was slow to come on and stagnated in his third year and regressed a fair bit. Were you arguing that WC should be getting rid of him towards the end of that year? Mayes is heading towards the end of his third year. I don't think many players peak at 21, especially after a transition from a half-forward flanker (his pre-draft bio) to a true wing/half-back flanker with the corresponding increase in both running and responsibility.

Gaff's a great example really so kudos for using him and no I wouldn't have willingly wanted to get rid of him at the end of 2014. Like Mayes now it depends what we could have landed for him and if there was a desire for Andrew to leave the club or go home.

If a fair deal for both parties or a slight win in West Coast's favour (due to Gaff being only 22 and 4 years into his career) could have been achieved and Gaff indicated a desire to return to Victoria than I'd deal with it, if I'd be happy about it would depend on what we landed in exchange. Mayes at 21, like Gaff at the end of 2014 is nowhere near peaking either. His ceiling is high, maybe not All Australian yet in 2016 but a good role player within a team

What I'm trying to say is you need to put a decent carrot out there for a power forward trade to occur. Let's not forget Aish here either. If you can obtain a KPF from a trade for Aish than Mayes doesn't need to be considered in a trade and you get the type of player that you need for a 40 game (if that) midfielder in Aish.

A player like Mayes thrown into a trade for a forward wanting a new team is likely to get a deal done but. Whats you thoughts on Carlisle dlanod. Interested???

 

[dlanod]

Whats you thoughts on Carlisle dlanod. Interested???

I'd be interested in Carlisle but by all accounts there's approximately a zero percent chance of him leaving Victoria, which is understandable given he can get equivalent dollars without having to move to the footy frontier. Dixon was on the cards, but I'd hesitate to swap Mayes for him if Mayes would even head down the road as I think we're more likely to get a decent career out of Mayes. The other forward-type that we've been linked to was Walker, who would attract offers substantially below the value of Mayes. I also don't see any club trading a contracted forward option such that Mayes is the tipping point in any trade offer.

 

[getgaff]

Both of our teams had someone by that description before, and he's out of the AFL. There's not really a great position for those in our game any more unless they have some other truly elite talent to keep them in a team. Sewell is probably another good example of that type of player, and he went on the scrap heap very quickly when his elite level ball extraction skills started fading.

Ah Dalziell. So much potential wasted. I can remember the day clearly we got him via trade and how stoked I was. Turned out to be a massive flop because of what you said above. Ran hard but that was it. Skills weren't up to scratch which is a knock on O'Brien. You can win 30 touches a week all you like but if it's at low efficiency than you need to work at that I agree.


So from my initial 22 there's room to fit Mayes and Keays* IN, McGuinness, O'Brien and possibly Dawson OUT. I'll no doubt be back after the trade and draft period with best 22 updates

 

[jackess]

Ah Dalziell. So much potential wasted. I can remember the day clearly we got him via trade and how stoked I was. Turned out to be a massive flop because of what you said above. Ran hard but that was it. Skills weren't up to scratch which is a knock on O'Brien. You can win 30 touches a week all you like but if it's at low efficiency than you need to work at that I agree.


So from my initial 22 there's room to fit Mayes and Keays* IN, McGuinness, O'Brien and possibly Dawson OUT. I'll no doubt be back after the trade and draft period with best 22 updates

Whichever one of Robertson and Paparone miss out on the back flank position would still be in the best 22 probably.

 

[getgaff]

The other forward-type that we've been linked to was Walker, who would attract offers substantially below the value of Mayes. I also don't see any club trading a contracted forward option such that Mayes is the tipping point in any trade offer.

That's another thing to consider, when is Mayes contracted till?

Andrew Walker for Mayes would be a winning deal for Carlton in a heartbeat I reckon. T. Menzel involved too maybe to sweeten the deal for Brisbane

 

[jackess]

That's another thing to consider, when is Mayes contracted till?

Andrew Walker for Mayes would be a winning deal for Carlton in a heartbeat I reckon. T. Menzel involved too maybe to sweeten the deal for Brisbane

Wrong Walker.

Clue: It's not Taylor

 

[Bucking Beads]

Why the bloody hell are we trading Mayes??? No Just no!!

 

[Caiphus]

If we got rid of Mayes we would have only Rich left after Leuey and Aish depart this off-season from first round picks of the last decade. And he's dedicated to the club, he gets another two years to prove himself at least and his form has been returning in the last few rounds.

 

[captainrich]

That's another thing to consider, when is Mayes contracted till?

Andrew Walker for Mayes would be a winning deal for Carlton in a heartbeat I reckon. T. Menzel involved too maybe to sweeten the deal for Brisbane

Why would we get rid of one of our upcoming talents to give Calrton a "winning deal"

why would we want a 29 year old utility as well?

appareciate your efforts in getting involved in our list management, but drop the Sam Mayes trade chat honestly been rebuffed plenty of times already

 

[Jman78]

We have to get some silk and speed into that midfield as a forward line having Freeman (with a proper preseason), Schache, McStay / Close, Green, Christensen etc etc etc it really does start to look tantalizing, and with Suckling, Rich and Hanley delivering it looks even better (yes I know Suckling hasn't been as good this year, but he is normally an elite kick).

So the question is what are we missing, what needs to come into the team, where is the balance out? Yes they are young and not as hard bodied, but as getgaff mentioned you need to put some bait out. I'm not suggesting Mayes at all, but team balance is close to, if not the biggest issue for us...... I think anyway.

 

[bato]

Sorry for intruding guys but have a couple of things to say.

Firstly, don't allow a trade for Stefan Martin. Easier said than done but he is far to important to lose
Secondly, let me congratulate you on the signing of Josh Schache*. He'll be a beauty and meets a need for you. *imminent with #1 pick
Thirdly, whether you end up with pick 1 or not do all within your power to get Charlie Dixon across from the Suns. And be prepared to give up whats required
Fourthly, put Sam Mayes name in any trade calculations. Seems to have stagnated somewhat and I don't see a legitimate want/need for him in the team. Harsh maybe but I can see him in a package deal to the Suns for Dixon. Adelaide clubs would show interest as well.

And lastly for now can anyone give me a progress report on Josh McGuiness's season in the NEAFL. His light bodied I know but a smart player, who attracts the ball and uses it well. If his body is up to it I think he'll make a contribution to the best 22 in 2016.

Same goes for Liam Dawson, if it comes down to Mayes V Dawson at selection in 2016 than go with the latter in Dawson unless badly out of touch or injured.

Stef isn't going anywhere. Luey will be gone however.

Thank you.

Port reportedly offering 100K+ a season more than Brisbane are. Unlikely he comes to the Lions now.

Putting Sam Mayes up for trade would be sending all sorts of wrong messages. We've spent a year developing his game in a new position, so we're most definitely not going to just give him away.

Josh McGuinness is injured. Hasn't played for a while pretty sure. Probably hasn't done enough in the NEAFL, when he has played, to warrant selection in the seniors.

Dawson is a gun. Loves a mark. Reads the game so well for someone that young.

 

[POBT]

Gee, some fairly condescending opposition supporters rocking up here.

"Let me tell you what is best for you."

Just because we're from footy's backwaters doesn't mean that we can't come up with our own unrealistic trade scenarios.