List Mgmt. 2016 Free Agency/Trades/Draft thread Part 2

[Vader]

The resources used in trades are players and draft picks, we had both, just like every other club. Craig's reluctance to encourage some players to look elsewhere for opportunities is not the same thing as not having the resources, that was his way and therefor can not be used as an excuse to deny that we didn't take a more active part in the trade period because of him.

You really don't get it do you?

Losing those players gave us the draft picks to play with, which we used to trade for other players - without overly sacrificing our position in the draft. Our trading, whether it was Craig/Sando/Pyke in charge, has been limited to 1-2 fringe players, in every year that we didn't lose a player with significant trade value. There was no Gunston/Dangerfield type players who left during the Craig years, so no years of big trading. It really is that simple.

There has been NO CHANGE to Adelaide's trading policy since Craig left, which remains the same today as it was long before Craig was even appointed.

Are you suggesting that Pyke encouraged Dangerfield to look elsewhere? Or did someone encourage Gunston to go? Because that's the implication of your posting. The ONLY years we've been active at the trade table is when these players wanted "out". With the exception of Vince, nobody has been used as trade bait the way you suggest - not under any Adelaide coach.

 

[Scorpus]

The Vince trade was a great move and it's something we should look to emulate with Douglas

 

[Vader]

I think he needs 12 games, this will be number 10.

There was an article in the paper the other day which suggested he needed to play 3 more games to trigger the contract extension.

It was related to the number of games played over multiple years, not just this year.

 

[arrowman]

So really depends on how deep we go into finals and if he can keep his spot (which assuming he plays as well as he did vs WCE you'd have to think he would)

We'll Do It For Hendo!!!

 

[Vader]

Arguably cost us a flag as we just needed a decent key forward for our gun midfield to kick to.

Nah.. that was Ayres, who insisted on trading for Carey instead of Pavlich. He's the coach who cost us a flag as a result of his trading policies.

 

[pjcrows]

Maybe our trade target will require more than a 1st

If it's Rockliff I suggest he will.

I hate doing trade proposals because they are often fanciful but:

Lyons and our 1st (let's say Pick 14) to Melbourne for Pick 9.

Pick 9 and CEY to Brisbane for Rockliff.

So we lose Lyons, CEY and Pick 14 for Rockliff.

Keeping in mind that with this, we wouldn't have a pick before 50 in the draft. Unless, of course, we bring one in from trading someone else.

 

[Vader]

Here's the article discussing Henderson's contract:
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...k=d806a88358f42181dfb501cda0436800-1473238472

It's written by Rucci, so take everything you read with a grain of salt.

 

[pjcrows]

The Vince trade was a great move and it's something we should look to emulate with Douglas

Douglas wouldn't land Pick 23

 

[SA_Stazza]

I dont know why you cant wrap your head around the concept. It isnt even about how good the players are, or might be. Anderson came in at round one (for Hawhorn, mind you), got games staight away as an 18 year old. Didnt wait two years for a debut (whether thats CEYs fault or the clubs is irrelevant). Was selected for a final in year one. Second year written off- sick and injured. Changed clubs at 21 with a taste at AFL level and a final. Was a highly rated junior. You dont think that any of that sucked North into giving up a first in a pick swap? If he played VFL for the next 2 years what do you think theyd give up for 23 yo Jed Anderson, with 10 AFL games in 5 years? Would they even do the trade?

Are you taking into account the fact Hodge missed the start of that season, or that the only other depth the Hawks had in Anderson's position was Jonathan Simpkin? Or that he came on extremely late as the sub? Hardly bursting his way onto the scene...

You do realise the Hawks had the following players with injury concerns as of week 1 of the finals that year:

Jordan Lewis (corked hip)
Paul Puopolo (calf)
Cyril Rioli (ankle)
Liam Shiels (ankle)
Xavier Ellis (calf)
Max Bailey (hip/hammy)
Ryan Schoenmakers (knee) out for season
Matthew Suckling (knee) out for season
Alex Woodward (knee) out for season

And he played all of just over a quarter in that final as a sub, before being dropped.

Whether it's CEY's fault or the club's is entirely relevant - any other club and he would have played at least 50 games by now.

You seem to believe we needed help in the midfield the whole time CEY was kept out before this year, I would argue that is plain bullshit. There's no way he could have forced his way into the midfield we had in that period - ask Jarryd Lyons/Mitch Grigg how difficult it was.

"Changed clubs at 21 with a taste" - yes, less of a taste than CEY has had so far.

No, I honestly don't. They were desperate for outside run given their lack of depth in that area, especially given Wells' injury history and questionable future at the time.

If they wanted him badly enough, of corse they would have done the trade - at 23 with five seasons in the system, coming out of a successful system no less (see Adelaide currently) they wouldn't have blinked twice given their list's age profile. Hawks would have still bent them over. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

 

[Red mist]

We have no 2nd round picks!

If anything we should be looking to trade next years 1st for 2 picks in the 20's from the gold coast as they have too many picks... Or trade Douglas or cey for picks.

Like CEY and Lyons, even Grigg. Get two seconds. Convert that to a first.

 

[Vader]

Whether it's CEY's fault or the club's is entirely relevant - any other club and he would have played at least 50 games by now.

That's a massive call, with very little basis in reality. Players who can't kick (consistently) will struggle to get a game at any club, not just Adelaide.

 

[Vhaluus]

That's a massive call, with very little basis in reality. Players who can't kick (consistently) will struggle to get a game at any club, not just Adelaide.

Better not tell Danger.

 

[Crowked]

If it's Rockliff I suggest he will.

I hate doing trade proposals because they are often fanciful but:

Lyons and our 1st (let's say Pick 14) to Melbourne for Pick 9.

Pick 9 and CEY to Brisbane for Rockliff.

So we lose Lyons, CEY and Pick 14 for Rockliff.

Keeping in mind that with this, we wouldn't have a pick before 50 in the draft. Unless, of course, we bring one in from trading someone else.

My god!!! Massive overs IMO

 

[Scorpus]

Douglas wouldn't land Pick 23

No he wouldn't. But I think he would land a second round pick. Could be worth it

 

[pjcrows]

My god!!! Massive overs IMO

Possibly - that's what it'd take.

 

[Runnin Blue]

I wonder whether we are back into parker

I wondered this a few days ago too but didn't mention it because it's doubtful.

I have a vague memory of a rumour last year saying that we were heavily into him but put it off for 12 months. That would lead us to about now.

Not going to get my hopes up though.

EDIT: contracted until 2021 too!

 

[pjcrows]

Parker? Hehe.

 

[GreyCrow]

Whether it's CEY's fault or the club's is entirely relevant - any other club and he would have played at least 50 games by now.

Not any other club. Maybe you could argue 4 would have. Melbourne, Richmond , Gold Coast ,Carlton

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

That's a big assumption.

No it's not - we all witnessed how he kept the playing group together.

Sometimes I wonder what goes through your brain...

 

[Crowstar]

Possibly - that's what it'd take.

Looked ok but id say CEY and 9 for Rockliff and 2nd rounder. We won't go into the draft with our first pick at 50.
We need to move on one of Mackay, Douglas or Cheney to get anything of remote value.
Having said that we have spots free from Jaensch, VB and assuming they go Henderson, Thompson, Shaw.
Upgrade ROB, Keath or Greenwood.
That leaves us with 4 picks in the draft with not many decent picks.

Good luck Hamish!

 

[GreyCrow]

Parker? Hehe.

0.15 in

 

[SA_Stazza]

That's a massive call, with very little basis in reality. Players who can't kick (consistently) will struggle to get a game at any club, not just Adelaide.

189/89 mids with the ability to win contested ball and clearances don't just fall off trees. They are in fairly high demand these days given it's the way the game is shifting...

He went at 70% effectiveness in his only game this year, 67.5% the year before. It's still rated above average. Didn't see how bad his kick was when he was slotting that one tucked in on the boundary last round..

Ranked 4th last year for average contested possesions at AFC (even above Matt Crouch, Douglas, Laird, Sam Jacobs, Betts and Lynch)

Ranked 5th for average clearances

Ranked top 12 at AFC for average effective disposals...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Like CEY and Lyons, even Grigg. Get two seconds. Convert that to a first.

Imo it's not the year to convert picks as we are missing a 2nd rounder.

 

[lincsPJ]

My god!!! Massive overs IMO

Massive is a big call. A late first rounder and 2 average mids for one of the premier mids of the comp?

What do you reckon rockliff is worth in a hypothetical trade with the AFC?

 

[aneale]

That's a big assumption.

So are the suggestions he has enough pull to just not have players picked because he doesn't like them

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