Draft Review 2016 - Revisiting the 2016 AFL Draft

[Jeremias]

This its just plain incorrect

Which bit?

That you’re underrating Daicos, overrating McGrath, or only pumping him up because you won today?

Or the combo?

 

[Yoda_]

Stewart is the clear 1
I dont think you can judge it purely on awards like BnF's and All Australians, i would have McCluggage at 2 despite having neither.
The 3-8 is hard to order, I would rate Ryan closer to 8 than 3.
I would probably have McGrath at 10 behind Will Hayward

In another 5 years itll be bumped again and the order will be different

I wanna throw a name from left field, rookie pick number 10, selected by St.Kilda. Rowan Marshal. Been pretty bloody good and in any other era probably gets recognised more than he does now but he is consistently in the top 3 - 4 rucks every year.

 

[Yoda_]

Which bit?

That you’re underrating Daicos, overrating McGrath, or only pumping him up because you won today?

Or the combo?

I don't think you want to admit wrong so we are probably going around in circles if we continue

 

[nahnah]

Stewart will be interesting, the clear number 1 and i cant see being overtaken at this stage. He will though likely retire 3-5 years before the rest so i wonder if recency bias will come into it a few years after he is retired?
Has a player ever been the clear number 1 from a draft where they are so much older than the majority drafted?

 

[Yoda_]

Stewart will be interesting, the clear number 1 and i cant see being overtaken at this stage. He will though likely retire 3-5 years before the rest so i wonder if recency bias will come into it a few years after he is retired?
Has a player ever been the clear number 1 from a draft where they are so much older than the majority drafted?

Isaac Smith was 21 and picked at number 19 iirc.

 

[Jeremias]

I don't think you want to admit wrong so we are probably going around in circles if we continue

Wrong? I don't think it's wrong to suggest you're showing extreme bias by having McGrath ahead of those I mentioned earlier.

 

[Yoda_]

Wrong? I don't think it's wrong to suggest you're showing extreme bias by having McGrath ahead of those I mentioned earlier.

Im dealing in facts

 

[Jeremias]

Im dealing in facts

No, you're talking shit to try and discredit others whilst talking up McGrath in his first real good season at the top level.

A gentle reminder this isn't Bay 13.

 

[Wild Bill]

I guess Shane Woewodin is a better player than Scott West then in your scale of appreciation

lol what? West has 5 AAs and 7 best and fairest.

McGrath hasn’t had a top 3 finish in a B&F or ever made an AA squad let alone the final team. 8 decent games this year doesn’t erase the last 7 years.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I wanna throw a name from left field, rookie pick number 10, selected by St.Kilda. Rowan Marshal. Been pretty bloody good and in any other era probably gets recognised more than he does now but he is consistently in the top 3 - 4 rucks every year.

Can argue that Marshall is the best ruck from that draft.

Marshall, English, Darcy and Draper is a pretty bloody good draft for rucks as well.

 

[adammania9]

Can argue that Marshall is the best ruck from that draft.

Marshall, English, Darcy and Draper is a pretty bloody good draft for rucks as well.

Also Oscar McInerney and Darcy Cameron

 

[Yoda_]

No, you're talking s**t to try and discredit others whilst talking up McGrath in his first real good season at the top level.

A gentle reminder this isn't Bay 13.

go check the facts instead of the "just because" dribble your spouting chief.

Daicos was an in and out fringe player until 3 years ago, in 2020 he finally put it all together as a role player with more teasing of the player he could become. 2021 was the season he started to stamp himself on games whilst 2022 was when it all came together.


McGrath's ceiling isn't near what Josh is at, im not lying to myself on that front. Andy has been at a B level fluttering on A for some time. Sure he's been very good this year but your argument of "just because" doesn't stand up when facts show McGrath has been a constant mainstay in a side who has bordered on finals (sure, not winning one) for close to 50% of his career.

 

[Yoda_]

lol what? West has 5 AAs and 7 best and fairest.

McGrath hasn’t had a top 3 finish in a B&F or ever made an AA squad let alone the final team. 8 decent games this year doesn’t erase the last 7 years.

2020 didn't exist? your opinion is null in void as your bias shows once again you know little about the topic at hand Billy boy

 

[Wild Bill]

2020 didn't exist? your opinion is null in void as your bias shows once again you know little about the topic at hand Billy boy

Finished top 3 in 2020?
1st Ridley
2nd Merrett
3rd Saad

Yeah - you certainly know your football.

 

[Jeremias]

go check the facts instead of the "just because" dribble your spouting chief.

That’s an amazing line given you’ve followed it up with this…

Daicos was an in and out fringe player until 3 years ago, in 2020 he finally put it all together as a role player with more teasing of the player he could become. 2021 was the season he started to stamp himself on games whilst 2022 was when it all came together.

Daicos was drafted into a club that made a grand final in his second year, and a preliminary final in his 3rd.

It is beyond disingenuous to use that against him whilst lauding McGrath for playing every game in a side that made one elimination final - and lost it - in that time frame.

Josh may well have been a starting wing for Essendon over those two seasons had he been drafted there.

McGrath's ceiling isn't near what Josh is at, im not lying to myself on that front. Andy has been at a B level fluttering on A for some time. Sure he's been very good this year but your argument of "just because" doesn't stand up when facts show McGrath has been a constant mainstay in a side who has bordered on finals (sure, not winning one) for close to 50% of his career.

That’s just about the only fact you’ve actually presented. Took you a while.

Constant mainstay in a mediocre side vs developing kid in a premiership side.

No matter which way you try and twist that, it doesn’t end in Andy’s favour.

Good footballer, but you’re convincing nobody other than yourself here. It’s pretty embarrassing and does the player no favors.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

McGrath isn't a top 10 player in this draft as is stands, but he is having an unbelievable season and is finally living up to his draft pick albeit in a back pocket.

If he plays at this level consistenty he will definitely move his way in. But I wouldn't have him over some of the gun mids or elite attacking players. No list manager would.

Stewart
Larkey
Bolton
McCluggage
Stengle
Taranto
English
Marshall
Darcy
Ridley
Ryan
Daicos

I don't think he would be recruited over any of these players.

The next rung still has plenty of quality. Hayward, Drew, Zurhaar, Guthrie, Henry, Rioli, Marshell, Cameron, Battle, Ainsworth, some of these guys have played better footy in the past and some are having similarly good seasons in 2024. Also need to remember KPP take longer.

4th is ridiculous.

 

[Yoda_]

Finished top 3 in 2020?
1st Ridley
2nd Merrett
3rd Saad

Yeah - you certainly know your football.

Apologies, misread the print i was using

Ill show myself out

 

[Ambrosia]

McGrath’s form hasn’t exactly come from no where. He’s always been a good to very good player who’s disposal/decision making let him down a bit.

Finished top 3 in 2020?
1st Ridley
2nd Merrett
3rd Saad

Yeah - you certainly know your football.

Essendon’s best and fairest voting heavily favours players who play every game. He was leading that year before getting injury

 

[Wild Bill]

English I ummmed and uhhhed about

Daicos.J only "popped" in 2023 after promising so much early but finally putting it all together

Bolton has been a dick tease since he was drafted. I trust my wife's netball ability more than Bolton to show up every week in a season

McCluggage - see English. Nice player, but could have, like draft day, could have gone either way and not been wrong

Is this also for real??

Hugh McCluggage has consistently outperformed McGrath every year since 2018 - including this year. Hugh is miles in front and has the runs on the board.

Wrong is anyone listing Mcgrath ahead of him. Lift.

 

[Haychh]

Agree Andy at 4 is a bit on the nose but he has been great this year, probably falls in the 10-15 range of this draft but no Dons fan is disappointed we picked him.

Pointless argument as McCluggage and Taranto are better players but not what we need right now anyway. Durham and Caldwell do more with less.

 

[Blackhawk42]

McGrath isn't a top 10 player in this draft as is stands, but he is having an unbelievable season and is finally living up to his draft pick albeit in a back pocket.

If he plays at this level consistenty he will definitely move his way in. But I wouldn't have him over some of the gun mids or elite attacking players. No list manager would.

Stewart
Larkey
Bolton
McCluggage
Stengle
Taranto
English
Marshall
Darcy
Ridley
Ryan
Daicos

I don't think he would be recruited over any of these players.

The next rung still has plenty of quality. Hayward, Drew, Zurhaar, Guthrie, Henry, Rioli, Marshell, Cameron, Battle, Ainsworth, some of these guys have played better footy in the past and some are having similarly good seasons in 2024. Also need to remember KPP take longer.

4th is ridiculous.

Scrimshaw having a fantastic season as well. Probably the best of his career and doing so playing a slightly different role.

 

[blaisee]

This should be an interesting read for Freo fans

These are the receipts I have kept

Enjoy

 

[conrad_437]

This season has certainly shown that Bolton is a great player to have when they going is great. When the going gets tough, he turns to water. Great highlight reel and possibly the best downhill skier of all time.

But I'm not sure if he would be in my top 3 picked.

 

[Wild Bill]

This season has certainly shown that Bolton is a great player to have when they going is great. When the going gets tough, he turns to water. Great highlight reel and possibly the best downhill skier of all time.

But I'm not sure if he would be in my top 3 picked.

Cream and not the cake. Good with good players around him.

 

[blaisee]

Shai Bolton

29

Shai Bolton

Age

26

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

seems to be judged differently on bigfooty, maybe because he plays for Richmond

Be interesting to see that change if he plays for another club and has a similar output .

Reckon it will , it’s an interesting case study in cognitive bias

At least we have moved from definitive statements that he is not in the top 20, to musings that he may or
Not be in the top 3.