List Mgmt. 2016 Trade, Draft and free agency news (no hypothetical trades)

[TazHawk15]

Footy is funny.

Do I want Cloke at our club, **** no.

If the club decided to get him and he became a Hawk, would I embrace him.... **** yes.

It's just the way is.

 

[tige19]

Standard Bigfooty. Every other teams players are shit.... unless they are some untried 20 year old.

There was very similar discussion with Lake before he came over to Hawthorn. Too old, game has gone past him, he is shit, etc, .

It is very clear that Cloke is a massive confidence player. It is also quite clear that Buckley is not a great player manager. Together you have the situation where Cloke is completely devoid of confidence, and Buckley is not capable to getting the best out of him.

I have the upmost confidence that Clarkson would be able get Cloke back to his best. He would fill a massive hole in our team. Even when Roughie comes back, there is still a place for him in the team. As Roughead could be unleashed in the middle and be a contested beast.

Anyway its a moot point. I think our focus will be on O'Meara, Neale, etc. As an elite young inside mid is the absolute priority and will likely cost a bit. But if Cloke is available and comes cheaply, we would be stupid to dismiss the idea.

A slow and one dimensional player, that's Cloke. He doesn't seem the type Clarko likes, nor does have any form of pace like he once did. He used to run defenders into the ground with a mix of aerobic and anaerobic/explosive athleticism. That's not coming back in his twilight, like I said I'd prefer Majak Daw who'd be 1/4 the price and can play the Hale role perfectly with at least 7-8 years left.

 

[dipper86]

Standard Bigfooty. Every other teams players are shit.... unless they are some untried 20 year old.

There was very similar discussion with Lake before he came over to Hawthorn. Too old, game has gone past him, he is shit, etc, .

It is very clear that Cloke is a massive confidence player. It is also quite clear that Buckley is not a great player manager. Together you have the situation where Cloke is completely devoid of confidence, and Buckley is not capable to getting the best out of him.

I have the upmost confidence that Clarkson would be able get Cloke back to his best. He would fill a massive hole in our team. Even when Roughie comes back, there is still a place for him in the team. As Roughead could be unleashed in the middle and be a contested beast.

Anyway its a moot point. I think our focus will be on O'Meara, Neale, etc. As an elite young inside mid is the absolute priority and will likely cost a bit. But if Cloke is available and comes cheaply, we would be stupid to dismiss the idea.

I think there is a vast difference between Cloke v Lake especially when it comes to position wise, A forward nearing the end who's form drops of rapidly vs a KP defender that relied on his body being sound playing in an easier position who's greatest strength was the reading of the play in flight.
Personally I don't want to add to an aging list, I can see how Cloke can fill a role structurally with roughead missing, but to rely on a player nearing 30 who's kicking for goal is more miss than hit will do nothing than more than age me severely. might as well stick with Fitzpatrick. Stick to the draft and find a lower enough pick to have a crack at some of the best KP talent or find another Gunston like bargain elsewhere. The replenishing of the midfield should still be our priority.

 

[MC_9]

I think there is a vast difference between Cloke v Lake especially when it comes to position wise, A forward nearing the end who's form drops of rapidly vs a KP defender that relied on his body being sound playing in an easier position who's greatest strength was the reading of the play in flight.
Personally I don't want to add to an aging list, I can see how Cloke can fill a role structurally with roughead missing, but to rely on a player nearing 30 who's kicking for goal is more miss than hit will do nothing than more than age me severely. might as well stick with Fitzpatrick. Stick to the draft and find a lower enough pick to have a crack at some of the best KP talent or find another Gunston like bargain elsewhere. The replenishing of the midfield should still be our priority.

See i disagree. If you stick with Fitzpatrick, you know what you will get. Not much.

People are soo quick to right off players, even our own. Cloke has proven that he can kick goals, take strong marks, work hard. He is horribly out of form at the moment. But as I said, his form dipped drastically when Buckley took over. Watch Cloke kick 50+ goals if comes to Hawthorn.

Our KPF stock is empty after Roughy. Gunston is elite, but is an athletic 3rd tall. We know what we will get with Shoey, he is solid but will never be a star. O'Brien has been on the list for 3 years, and doesn't look like he has added a single kg since being here, nor has he done much in half a season in the seniors. Fitzpatrick is nothing more then a journey man, who was delisted by Melbourne.

I agree that Cloke is not the long term answer. But he fills a short term hole, whilst we sort out other more urgent needs in the midfield. We should only take him if he comes cheaply. But I get the feeling that Collingwood will be happy to let him go for not much, as it is just not working anymore.

He may come here and be a failure. But we wont have given much up to get him, and his deal will be up. He is a low risk, high reward type player.

 

[Spursfan]

See i disagree. If you stick with Fitzpatrick, you know what you will get. Not much.

People are soo quick to right off players, even our own. Cloke has proven that he can kick goals, take strong marks, work hard. He is horribly out of form at the moment. But as I said, his form dipped drastically when Buckley took over. Watch Cloke kick 50+ goals if comes to Hawthorn.

Our KPF stock is empty after Roughy. Gunston is elite, but is an athletic 3rd tall. We know what we will get with Shoey, he is solid but will never be a star. O'Brien has been on the list for 3 years, and doesn't look like he has added a single kg since being here, nor has he done much in half a season in the seniors. Fitzpatrick is nothing more then a journey man, who was delisted by Melbourne.

I agree that Cloke is not the long term answer. But he fills a short term hole, whilst we sort out other more urgent needs in the midfield. We should only take him if he comes cheaply. But I get the feeling that Collingwood will be happy to let him go for not much, as it is just not working anymore.

He may come here and be a failure. But we wont have given much up to get him, and his deal will be up. He is a low risk, high reward type player.

Yeah if we could get him for a 2nd/3rd pick and pay him a modest salary I wouldn't rule it out. Building the midfield would be the number 1 priority in the offseason , but in the short term I agree we are missing a KPF presence.

 

[tige19]

Daw or Cloke? One is out of contract on rookie wages, the other is in contract on 800k.. One is 30 the other is 25, one is one dimensional the other is versatile, one is an athletic freak the other is pedestrian.

 

[Jason Dunstall]

Daw or Cloke? One is out of contract on rookie wages, the other is in contract on 800k.. One is 30 the other is 25, one is one dimensional the other is versatile, one is an athletic freak the other is pedestrian.

So you're going with Cloke?

 

[coxy149]

Daw or Cloke? One is out of contract on rookie wages, the other is in contract on 800k.. One is 30 the other is 25, one is one dimensional the other is versatile, one is an athletic freak the other is pedestrian.

Daw would be a much better fit than Cooke and a lot cheaper. Still think the hawks should try and get redpath from the doggies
What's going on with Kane Lucas from west coast I always thought he was a pretty good footballer but can't break into their side

 

[MC_9]

Daw or Cloke? One is out of contract on rookie wages, the other is in contract on 800k.. One is 30 the other is 25, one is one dimensional the other is versatile, one is an athletic freak the other is pedestrian.

One is proven at AFL level, the other is a VFL list clogger. One has kicked 429 goals, the other has kicked 16. One is a KPF, the other is an mediocre ruckman. One is a natural footballer, the other is an athlete.

 

[MC_9]

Daw would be a much better fit than Cooke and a lot cheaper

Why?

North Melbourne were desperate for a KPF, and Daw was still playing in the VFL. They were so desperate they went and picked up an 30 year old KPF who was supposed to be finished and a spud, but is now in career best form and sitting 4th in the Coleman. Sound familiar. Could you imagine this board if someone suggest we pick up Waite.

Daw is just not a natural footballer. He never will be. The only position he may be serviceable in is as a ruckman.

 

[tige19]

One is proven at AFL level, the other is a VFL list clogger. One has kicked 429 goals, the other has kicked 16. One is a KPF, the other is an mediocre ruckman. One is a natural footballer, the other is an athlete.

It's a supply and demand situation.. We need a key forward, Clarko liked diverse players and with the age demographic of our list Cloke doesn't fit. You can't speak of past feats, Cloke was a good forward but that was 2 years ago. Daw has been a raw athlete for a long time but his past 4-5 games at AFL level have shown how much he has improved.

Daw would be the ideal replacement for Hale, not only that but it's obvious his ceiling hasn't been reached yet. He would offer a fair chunk more than Cegs as a forward and given a decent run at it he could probably match him as a ruck option.

I'm a bit lost as to why we'd have an argument about Cloke, he is in his twilight and to find any type of form that warrant games at Hawthorn you have to go back 2 years.

You also need to take into account cost $$ is Clokes 500k price tag worth the output in comparison to Daws say $150-200k salary?

 

[MC_9]

It's a supply and demand situation.. We need a key forward, Clarko liked diverse players and with the age demographic of our list Cloke doesn't fit. You can't speak of past feats, Cloke was a good forward but that was 2 years ago. Daw has been a raw athlete for a long time but his past 4-5 games at AFL level have shown how much he has improved.

Daw would be the ideal replacement for Hale, not only that but it's obvious his ceiling hasn't been reached yet. He would offer a fair chunk more than Cegs as a forward and given a decent run at it he could probably match him as a ruck option.

I'm a bit lost as to why we'd have an argument about Cloke, he is in his twilight and to find any type of form that warrant games at Hawthorn you have to go back 2 years.

You also need to take into account cost $$ is Clokes 500k price tag worth the output in comparison to Daws say $150-200k salary?

To be honest. I am not entirely against the idea of getting Daw. However getting Daw and Cloke are not mutually exclusive. In fact they would both come into the team with different roles and different positions.

Daw would come in for Ceglar (who has been pretty average), and play Hales role. Cloke would come in for Roughead, while he is out of the team. We have no idea of Roughead's playing future.

I agree on the price tag. Collingwood would have to pay some of his salary, or we would restructure his deal as we did with Lake.

As I said previously. Getting an elite young mid is number 1, 2 and 3 priority. But once the dust settles and we have landed O'Meara (for argument sake), and we can get Cloke on the cheap. You do it.

 

[StalkingHawk]

Obviously the doggies are going to stick by the million dollar man tom Boyd and crameri still has to come back and the forward line would be better suited to gorrila player like Boyd and workhorse like crameri, so maybe redpath could be gettable?
He is a beast don't know what he would cost though

Maybe litherland and our second round pick?

Didn't this guy go pick 75 or something ridiculous? From memory, was touted as having the best hands of anyone in his draft. I wonder why he slipped so far. Certainly looks pretty decent

 

[Blaze Storm]

Daw or Cloke? One is out of contract on rookie wages, the other is in contract on 800k.. One is 30 the other is 25, one is one dimensional the other is versatile, one is an athletic freak the other is pedestrian.

You're overselling Daw's abilities a little. Sure, he's more versatile, but only so far as he can offer a less predictable variation of disappointment...

 

[HawksILove]

Let's try and get this bloke instead of Daw or Cloke
What do you think?

http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/player-profile/james-stewart

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Daw, Redpath and Kane Lucas......



Bloody hell.






....And it's only June.

 

[TallyHawk]

Jon Ralph even jumping on the Cloke to Hawthorn wagon now in the HS.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...h/news-story/9b2ef1d18d8a3e1822826b6f641a97cc

The world has gone mad. I have no doubt he got the idea from here. Hi Jon, I hope you're having a nice evening.

A mate of a mate indicated Mitch Thorpe was killing it in country football and has been approached by a number of clubs to determine if he has had an attitude adjustment. Hawks reportedly keen, just dependent on Mitchell and Hodge retiring as they can't stand the guy. Bookmark it Jon.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Daw or Cloke? One is out of contract on rookie wages, the other is in contract on 800k.. One is 30 the other is 25, one is one dimensional the other is versatile, one is an athletic freak the other is pedestrian.

Daw
We've picked up Fitzpatrick so anything is possible

 

[Great 2008]

A mate of a mate indicated Mitch Thorpe was killing it in country football and has been approached by a number of clubs to determine if he has had an attitude adjustment. Hawks reportedly keen, just dependent on Mitchell and Hodge retiring as they can't stand the guy. Bookmark it Jon.

Daw, Redpath and Kane Lucas......



Bloody hell.






....And it's only June.

….and now your old mate Thorp as well.

To be fair watched Redpath the other day and he would be the pick of the bunch. Redpath has a terrific work ethic and loves to tackle not to mention his good hands. Has struggled a bit for consistency but was a rookie selection and has had injury issues to contend with. Is only 25 and a lump of a boy. Would like.

 

[tige19]

Daw
We've picked up Fitzpatrick so anything is possible

The Fitzpatrick pick up is a head scratcher, rookie spot I can see the benefit but he takes up a main list spot? I was never a fan of his recruitment but many posters thought it was a good way to go, you never know he could produce something or come in handy if Cegs or BB go down.

 

[tige19]

….and now your old mate Thorp as well.

To be fair watched Redpath the other day and he would be the pick of the bunch. Redpath has a terrific work ethic and loves to tackle not to mention his good hands. Has struggled a bit for consistency but was a rookie selection and has had injury issues to contend with. Is only 25 and a lump of a boy. Would like.

I know a few people that knock around with him from his Kyneton days, a real lad to and was always a freakish big forward. I reckon he is a little one dimensional for a Clarko type but you never know.

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

A mate of a mate indicated Mitch Thorpe was killing it in country football and has been approached by a number of clubs to determine if he has had an attitude adjustment. Hawks reportedly keen, just dependent on Mitchell and Hodge retiring as they can't stand the guy. Bookmark it Jon.

I am deadset going to piss myself laughing if that name makes it into the media in any discussion at all over the next month. Surely even Jon isn't that dumb

 

[TallyHawk]

I am deadset going to piss myself laughing if that name makes it into the media in any discussion at all over the next month. Surely even Jon isn't that dumb

No joke mate it's happening
Ex-Hawk likely to win second chance - AFL.com.au
www.afl.com.au › news › thorps-second-...

 

[Great 2008]

No joke mate it's happening
Ex-Hawk likely to win second chance - AFL.com.au
www.afl.com.au › news › thorps-second-...

Stop teasing that article is 3 years old.

 

[dipper86]

See i disagree. If you stick with Fitzpatrick, you know what you will get. Not much.

People are soo quick to right off players, even our own. Cloke has proven that he can kick goals, take strong marks, work hard. He is horribly out of form at the moment. But as I said, his form dipped drastically when Buckley took over. Watch Cloke kick 50+ goals if comes to Hawthorn.

Our KPF stock is empty after Roughy. Gunston is elite, but is an athletic 3rd tall. We know what we will get with Shoey, he is solid but will never be a star. O'Brien has been on the list for 3 years, and doesn't look like he has added a single kg since being here, nor has he done much in half a season in the seniors. Fitzpatrick is nothing more then a journey man, who was delisted by Melbourne.

I agree that Cloke is not the long term answer. But he fills a short term hole, whilst we sort out other more urgent needs in the midfield. We should only take him if he comes cheaply. But I get the feeling that Collingwood will be happy to let him go for not much, as it is just not working anymore.

He may come here and be a failure. But we wont have given much up to get him, and his deal will be up. He is a low risk, high reward type player.

I disagree that you disagree lol, he has proven he could kick goals 3 years ago, that's no form slump, thats now a sustained period of failure. Under Buckley in his first two years he had his 2nd strongest season in terms of goals kicked and marks, since then he has been nothing short of a witches hat. Cloke has slowed down, he's lost a yard of pace and his agility is non existent, the only part of his game which would be attractive to Clarkson is that he's still a workhorse, other than that he has absolutely no versatility which is pre requisite under Clarkson.
Collingwood won't get rid of him cheaply, that's not Collingwood. They are just as bad as Essendon and Carlton in terms of rating their own