2016 trade hypotheticals

[Two Planks]

What about Tom Mitchell and Zak Jones for pick 2?

Do you honestly think pick 2 would be a better player than Mitchell let alone throwing Jones in as well.

 

[Clubbeta]

Do you honestly think pick 2 would be a better player than Mitchell let alone throwing Jones in as well.

Yes I think pick 2 has a high chance of being better then Mitchell. However I rate both Mitchell and Jones highly. Both would be worth first rounders. So effectively it's like the trades where people are offering off pick 2 for 2 lower first rounders just its players worth first rounders.

 

[Danog]

Demons get Michael Hibberd
Dogs Get demons 2017 3rd round pick
Bombers get pick 28 & Koby Stevens

I love playing the game "Guess what team this poster supports".

You're making it too easy though

 

[cotter101]

Do you honestly think pick 2 would be a better player than Mitchell let alone throwing Jones in as well.

That's like saying pick 2 probably wouldn't be a better player than Rockliff. Yet do you think people would agree he is worth it? It's the same thing.

Since 2000.

2000: Justin Koschitzke
2001: Luke Ball
2002: Daniel Wells
2003: Andrew Walker
2004: Jarryd Roughead
2005: Dale Thomas
2006: Scott Gumbleton
2007: Trent Cotchin
2008: Nic Nat
2009: Jack Trengove
2010: Harley Bennell
2011: Stephen Coniglio
2012: Johnathon O'Rourke
2013: Joshua Kelly
2014: Christian Petracca
2015: Joshua Schache

Probably 5 or 6 in that group I'd take ahead of someone like Rockliff or Mitchell.

 

[Two Planks]

That's like saying pick 2 probably wouldn't be a better player than Rockliff. Yet do you think people would agree he is worth it? It's the same thing.

Since 2000.

2000: Justin Koschitzke
2001: Luke Ball
2002: Daniel Wells
2003: Andrew Walker
2004: Jarryd Roughead
2005: Dale Thomas
2006: Scott Gumbleton
2007: Trent Cotchin
2008: Nic Nat
2009: Jack Trengove
2010: Harley Bennell
2011: Stephen Coniglio
2012: Johnathon O'Rourke
2013: Joshua Kelly
2014: Christian Petracca
2015: Joshua Schache

Probably 5 or 6 in that group I'd take ahead of someone like Rockliff or Mitchell.

I would rather the guarantee of Mitchell and Jones over the risk of getting an O'Rourke or Trengove.

 

[cotter101]

I would rather the guarantee of Mitchell and Jones over the risk of getting an O'Rourke or Trengove.

Essentially, I'm in agreeance with you. Merely suggesting most people and even clubs comically overrate draft picks.

 

[SterlingArcher]

thought so. So a very poor mans Shiels or just a poor mans Shiels?

The complete opposite to Shiels? An inside mid v an outside mid?

 

[SterlingArcher]

That's like saying pick 2 probably wouldn't be a better player than Rockliff. Yet do you think people would agree he is worth it? It's the same thing.

Since 2000.

2000: Justin Koschitzke
2001: Luke Ball
2002: Daniel Wells
2003: Andrew Walker
2004: Jarryd Roughead
2005: Dale Thomas
2006: Scott Gumbleton
2007: Trent Cotchin
2008: Nic Nat
2009: Jack Trengove
2010: Harley Bennell
2011: Stephen Coniglio
2012: Johnathon O'Rourke
2013: Joshua Kelly
2014: Christian Petracca
2015: Joshua Schache

Probably 5 or 6 in that group I'd take ahead of someone like Rockliff or Mitchell.

I would rather the guarantee of Mitchell and Jones over the risk of getting an O'Rourke or Trengove.

Essentially, I'm in agreeance with you. Merely suggesting most people and even clubs comically overrate draft picks.

At pick 2 though they also had the chance to take any player who went at pick 3, pick 4, pick 5 etc. I don't really get the argument of "these are the players taken at this pick historically, this is what it's worth".

 

[HBFlanker]

Im hearing that Norths second rounder (around 30) + Aaron Black will be moved to Carlton for Zach Touhy.

North will be getting an end of first round compensation pick for Daniel wells so will still head into the draft with 11 and 20ish.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Im hearing that Norths second rounder (around 30) + Aaron Black will be moved to Carlton for Zach Touhy.

North will be getting an end of first round compensation pick for Daniel wells so will still head into the draft with 11 and 20ish.

Can we just have the 2nd rounder?

We have enough shit forwards.

 

[HBFlanker]

Can we just have the 2nd rounder?

We have enough shit forwards.

Matthew Wright won your goalkicking. You need forwards.

 

[Suma Magic]

Im hearing that Norths second rounder (around 30) + Aaron Black will be moved to Carlton for Zach Touhy.

North will be getting an end of first round compensation pick for Daniel wells so will still head into the draft with 11 and 20ish.

At his age it could be band 3. No real precedent on a contract that big at his age.

 

[HBFlanker]

At his age it could be band 3. No real precedent on a contract that big at his age.

The age is a factor but he will become a top 3 highest paid player at Collingwood next year, which will favour an end of first round pick to North.

Im struggling to think of anyone besides Pendles who would be on over 500k next year at collingwood next year, especially with treloars back ended deal.

 

[juss]

At pick 2 though they also had the chance to take any player who went at pick 3, pick 4, pick 5 etc. I don't really get the argument of "these are the players taken at this pick historically, this is what it's worth".

It's ridiculous logic, it would be like if pick 7 happened to have the best list of players someone trying to argue it was worth more than say pick 2 which might not have had the same success rate. I can't comprehend how people don't understand that who was drafted at what pick is irrelevant.

Higher pick = higher value regardless of any player selection history.

 

[Jeremias]

Matthew Wright won your goalkicking. You need forwards.

Recruiting a bog ordinary footballer is not the way to rectify our forward line.

I'd rather play Liam Jones every week.

 

[HBFlanker]

Recruiting a bog ordinary footballer is not the way to rectify our forward line.

I'd rather play Liam Jones every week.

Liam Jones is the worst player in the AFL

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Matthew Wright won your goalkicking. You need forwards.

We need good forwards. Already have heaps of shit ones

 

[Smalls0304]

Im hearing that Norths second rounder (around 30) + Aaron Black will be moved to Carlton for Zach Touhy.

North will be getting an end of first round compensation pick for Daniel wells so will still head into the draft with 11 and 20ish.

There is literally 0% chance this happens

 

[Jeremias]

Liam Jones is the worst player in the AFL

Should tell you a fair bit about Black that I'd rather play Liam Jones than recruit him and an average pick for a best 22 player.

 

[HBFlanker]

There is literally 0% chance this happens

So you think Norths pick 11 is more around the mark?

Dreaming

 

[Smalls0304]

So you think Norths pick 11 is more around the mark?

Dreaming

If it was going to happen i think it would be closer to Tuohy & 23 for 11 & 2017 3rd or something. Not saying you would do it but with the little currency we have, its going to take a decent pick to get us to trade him. We've drafted McKay, SOSOS & Curnow. No point picking up a spud like Black.

 

[Suma Magic]

The age is a factor but he will become a top 3 highest paid player at Collingwood next year, which will favour an end of first round pick to North.

Im struggling to think of anyone besides Pendles who would be on over 500k next year at collingwood next year, especially with treloars back ended deal.

Yeah he well could be band 2. I'm just saying the afl has complete discretion on this one, given age is a factor and there is no precedent. They could cite Waite getting nothing as justification for giving you band 3.

 

[Smalls0304]

Im hearing that Norths second rounder (around 30) + Aaron Black will be moved to Carlton for Zach Touhy.

North will be getting an end of first round compensation pick for Daniel wells so will still head into the draft with 11 and 20ish.

Do you really think if you had pick 11 & 19, we would accept Black & 30?!

 

[CrippsyCream]

Im hearing that Norths second rounder (around 30) + Aaron Black will be moved to Carlton for Zach Touhy.

North will be getting an end of first round compensation pick for Daniel wells so will still head into the draft with 11 and 20ish.

Just had a look at your posting history...you don't even have the strike rate of a broken watch.

 

[TedDougChris]

Recruiting a bog ordinary footballer is not the way to rectify our forward line.

I'd rather play Liam Jones every week.

Let's not say things we can't take back here......