List Mgmt. 2016 Trade Thread

[Klyntonius]

If Mitchell and Lewis both go, it's a massive and unexpected changing of the guard at Hawthorn. Truth is though, both those guys are past the peak of their powers.

If you bring in JOM and T Mitchell, it's actually some pretty good manoeuvring.

From what I can gather from reports, to bring in Tom Mitchell and O'Meara it's basically costing them Sam Mitchell, Lewis (assuming he bails), Hartung, Whitecross, This years first and second round picks and next years first. That manoeuvring is at a very heavy cost. They will be heavily reliant on picking up top free agents to give them any kind of depth, particularly with the likes of Hodge, Burgoyne and Gibson in their twilight years as well. They're gonna need O'Meara to be healthy for the next decade.

Just turned 30! Probably 2 years of decent footy left.

We will be shifting to do 2 things -

1. Improve our draft position which will be quite poor after the JOM deal

2. Clear more space to chase another target outside of JOM

By just turned, you mean six months ago? Will be 31 early next season. I would still like him but it would be through third and fourth round pick swaps.

 

[KickLongTackleHard]

West Coast got Mitchell essentially for pick 88, we shouldn't be giving up much more, if any more, than that for Lewis. A nice to have, not something we set out to get.

Also Lake is ex-Hawthorn. I'm sceptical. He's in on it. Don't listen to him. Hawks want Lewis out for $ space, we don't need to offer squat.

 

[Ando727]

West Coast got Mitchell essentially for pick 88, we shouldn't be giving up much more, if any more, than that for Lewis. A nice to have, not something we set out to get.

Also Lake is ex-Hawthorn. I'm sceptical. He's in on it. Don't listen to him. Hawks want Lewis out for $ space, we don't need to offer squat.

If the reason he's leaving Hawthorn is over money, we'll have to at least offer substantially more than Hawthorn has. It will be more than "squat" - unless the Hawks have offered him "diddly squat". And if they've offered him diddly squat then they won't get much salary cap relief. But he's still under contract for one more year. They won't let him go for nothing. And the Hawks are bastards - I don't recall us ever being on the better side of any deal with them.

 

[superstar25]

If the reason he's leaving Hawthorn is over money, we'll have to at least offer substantially more than Hawthorn has. It will be more than "squat" - unless the Hawks have offered him "diddly squat". And if they've offered him diddly squat then they won't get much salary cap relief. But he's still under contract for one more year. They won't let him go for nothing. And the Hawks are bastards - I don't recall us ever being on the better side of any deal with them.

I think the club would want a 2nd rnd pick for Lewis in the mid to high 20s that's the only way I can see him being traded and I'm pretty sure you guys won't be coughing up that much for him
Looking at what North got for Wells as a free agent we are better off waiting for next year when Lewis is a free agent and getting compo
So can't see trade happening really you guys won't pay overs I don't think your that keen on him

 

[tige19]

Nice spin champ

Deer.. Lights

650k for Jordan? Cmon lads, taking the absolute Micky right?

 

[tige19]

From what I can gather from reports, to bring in Tom Mitchell and O'Meara it's basically costing them Sam Mitchell, Lewis (assuming he bails), Hartung, Whitecross, This years first and second round picks and next years first. That manoeuvring is at a very heavy cost. They will be heavily reliant on picking up top free agents to give them any kind of depth, particularly with the likes of Hodge, Burgoyne and Gibson in their twilight years as well. They're gonna need O'Meara to be healthy for the next decade.





By just turned, you mean six months ago? Will be 31 early next season. I would still like him but it would be through third and fourth round pick swaps.

The club moved into the top 10 to try and prize JOM without adding a player, if a player is required it will be fringe. Wright also wanted the top 10 pick as the bargaining power is back with Hawthorn, if a deal can't be done there's the likely hood we will take JOM in the national draft. I know there are 9 other clubs with picks before us, but the likelyhood of those clubs impeding on JOM to Hawthorn is remote, I'm sure Wright has reached out to those clubs already with a worst case scenario "would you take JOM with your pick inside the top 10 if he was available?".

Lewis will be a nice fit for your mob, he uses the footy well going forward and will compliment your young mids. He is a required player as Wrighty said so a deal will need to be facilitated that we're happy with, all in all I think our clubs are on good terms and we are easy and fair to deal with so don't expect an essendon like drama when negotiations start to kick off.

 

[Devastating Boris]

Deer.. Lights

650k for Jordan? Cmon lads, taking the absolute Micky right?

Yeeeeeeeah Maybe in 6-650 range. But that's the beauty of having cap space. It's not going to hurt us.

 

[booshboy]

I'm all for Lewis, if it's not going to cost us going all out on potentially a Fyfe in free agency next year.

 

[Smithdogmaddog]

West Coast got Mitchell essentially for pick 88, we shouldn't be giving up much more, if any more, than that for Lewis. A nice to have, not something we set out to get.

Also Lake is ex-Hawthorn. I'm sceptical. He's in on it. Don't listen to him. Hawks want Lewis out for $ space, we don't need to offer squat.

Completely different situation to Mitchell as he is 4 years older than Lewis so has more footy ahead of him potentially. Late 30s or early 40s pick is about right.

Lake was pretty unbiased in his assessment basically said he is almost cooked similar to Lakes last season at Bulldogs. Said a change will allow him to extend his career. Only had 1 year left at hawks but could get 2 at Melbourne potentially.

 

[Russian Demon]

What the hell has been happening? I stop looking at trade week and bigfooty for 1 day to focus and work and suddenly we're into Lewis?

If he wants to come fine, but I will hurt someone if its for big dollars or anything other than a 1 year deal + trigger clause. I know we have cap room for the moment, but if we bring in old guys like Lewis then I want to know the list management have a strategy for getting those dollars off the books when guys we can actually build a team around come up for contracts.

As an aside, I was listening to some analysis on comparing the AFL system to where the NFL/NBA has got to. I think the one thing I've noticed is that premierships (the first tilt) are build around drafting well over 3-4 years. That gives you a 3-5 year window to nab a flag or three. After that, you can extend the window, keep yourself competitive (like the Patriots), and you might snag another flag in there somewhere. You'll stay competetive, be in contention t the top of the table and hence keep members happy, but I think snagging the choccies might get harder. Whereas teams who do a full rebuild can come out of nowhere and pass everyone (i.e. Bulldogs).

 

[tige19]

Yeeeeeeeah Maybe in 6-650 range. But that's the beauty of having cap space. It's not going to hurt us.

$450-$500k max brother.. honest

 

[Bluelegs]

Lewis would be fantastic for us. We are very lacking in experience and on-field leadership, Jones and Vince can't do it all. And think about what Lewis could do for players like Oliver, Petracca, and Brayshaw.

There is no way we will be paying massive dollars for him and a two year deal for a 30 year old champion is absolutely fine

 

[givemethecure]

I think what we are all forgetting is that Lewis is a massive arseh*le who everyone hates. Dramatically increases our quota of those if he comes.

 

[Demon 16]

We don't have the trade power. We have no first this year, have all but committed our second so our ability to get a trade done is minimal

You've missed part of my point, or maybe I wasn't clear.

I'm trying to say that if we lock up $650k per year, over 2 or 3 years, it might hinder our ability to land a young gun during that time.

Next year we could trade our first round pick and our first rounder for 2018 - and that's without moving any players around. That could get us someone good - but not if we cant afford to pay them well.

 

[harry000]

I think what we are all forgetting is that Lewis is a massive arseh*le who everyone hates. Dramatically increases our quota of those if he comes.

Love this.. the Kent squad can add another member and Richmond will cry even harder when we rustle their jimmys

 

[Djcjdees]

He's has a bad run but if you presume for a moment that Hawthorn don't rush and get him right, they are getting a Selwood level midfielder onto their list.

A bad run is an understatement. I dunno, that many injuries to a player that young. Alarm bells go off for me.

 

[LeverPuller]

The more I think about it the more I like it. He can be our quasi-Burgoyne. He's not going to be in the middle at every clearance - we have too many awesome clearance mids for that. But when the chips are down and we need a clearance, having Jordan Lewis alongside Clarabel, Jones and JV will be wicked.

 

[Demon 16]

From what I can gather from reports, to bring in Tom Mitchell and O'Meara it's basically costing them Sam Mitchell, Lewis (assuming he bails), Hartung, Whitecross, This years first and second round picks and next years first. That manoeuvring is at a very heavy cost. They will be heavily reliant on picking up top free agents to give them any kind of depth, particularly with the likes of Hodge, Burgoyne and Gibson in their twilight years as well. They're gonna need O'Meara to be healthy for the next decade.

You're right they're certainly making big plays to get these guys in, but if you consider them not doing it, I think the short term future looks worse.

They are not a club that like to bottom out and rebuild - and if they maintain the status quo, they have an aging core group with no high draft picks for another few years.

They'll probably drift slowly down the ladder for 3 years until they realise they need to bottom out to get the high picks in and rebuild over a further 3 year period.

 

[BigSexc]

Looking like Lewis to Melb will happen...

This is a nightmare..

I hate everything about Lewis. Riding in the coat tails of Mitchell, Hodge and co all the way to 4 flags.

Carries on like he was BOG in each of them.

If we trade a first or second rounder, I'll lose all faith.

Lewis just a dog sniper. King hit so many bloke I can't even remember them all. Goldie last year a disgrace.

You can tell he's an insecure arseh*le as well. King hits, pseudo tough guy attitude, bullying first year player, spray on hair etc

Puts in ZERO time in the gym as well. Too lazy.

Probably spends his time away from the club pumping his money into some shit business. Alcohol delivery or some shit.

 

[Jaeger]

West Coast got Mitchell essentially for pick 88, we shouldn't be giving up much more, if any more, than that for Lewis. A nice to have, not something we set out to get.

Clearly West Coast did very well out of that trade, but Lewis is four years younger than Mitchell.

 

[blitznu]

$450-$500k max brother.. honest

Yeah there is noway he is on 650k. Reckon 450k and club has prob came to him again asking for another pay cut. But like he said on 360 he would be keen if in coming players brought in and he wouldnt be keen if they were coming in being highest paid. Then reports Vickery on 500k and JOM wants 750k as well as Mitchell coming in on presumably more than what Lewis is on and i'd be pissed off and want out as well everything the club rattled on about buying in then a spud and an injured player who hasnt played in 2 ****ing years come in earning more yeah i'd chase a payrise else where. He is 31 start of season so isnt worth a heap
On news in perth lastnight saying dees had it planned to unveil him yesterday as a dees player so must of been a big backflip by hawks

 

[Cannon82]

Looking like Lewis to Melb will happen...

This is a nightmare..

I hate everything about Lewis. Riding in the coat tails of Mitchell, Hodge and co all the way to 4 flags.

Carries on like he was BOG in each of them.

If we trade a first or second rounder, I'll lose all faith.

Lewis just a dog sniper. King hit so many bloke I can't even remember them all. Goldie last year a disgrace.

You can tell he's an insecure arseh*le as well. King hits, pseudo tough guy attitude, bullying first year player, spray on hair etc

Puts in ZERO time in the gym as well. Too lazy.

Probably spends his time away from the club pumping his money into some shit business. Alcohol delivery or some shit.

Good rant.

 

[harry000]

Looking like Lewis to Melb will happen...

This is a nightmare..

I hate everything about Lewis. Riding in the coat tails of Mitchell, Hodge and co all the way to 4 flags.

Carries on like he was BOG in each of them.

If we trade a first or second rounder, I'll lose all faith.

Lewis just a dog sniper. King hit so many bloke I can't even remember them all. Goldie last year a disgrace.

You can tell he's an insecure arseh*le as well. King hits, pseudo tough guy attitude, bullying first year player, spray on hair etc

Puts in ZERO time in the gym as well. Too lazy.

Probably spends his time away from the club pumping his money into some shit business. Alcohol delivery or some shit.

LOL this is total BS.. was B&F in a premiership year. If anything he is under rated by people like you because hes been in the shadow of Hodge and Mitchell.

 

[Devastating Boris]

Lewis carried hawthorn for a lot of last year with injuries to hodge and Mitchell.

Edit: (completely off topic) whilst typing the "injuries" the autocorrect went to "injustices". I think I like this term better.

 

[booshboy]

Well boys. It looks like this happening.