Review 2017 AFL National Draft - Friday 24th November

Dow, LDU & Rayner are taken. Who do you select at pick 4?


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The comparisons of Cerra and Dow to Dangerfield makes Buckenara lack a bit of credability. Cerra especially doens't have the type of explosiveness that Danger has.

I was reading those comparisons and thinking "Gee for a "poor draft" its got some quality."
 
I was reading those comparisons and thinking "Gee for a "poor draft" its got some quality."

I think people are coming around to the fact that it's not a poor draft.

Rayner is a clear no 1 but for doubts on his endurance.

Very even down to 6. Then very even to early mid 20's.
 

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My only concern dropping back to #4 (if we win this weekend) is that Rayner, LDU and Dow could all go Top 3.

Which leaves us potentially with Cerra (inside leaning mid), Brander (KP) or Fogarty (HF/Mid). If we are drafting for needs, potentially Stevenson (speed) or O'Brien (footskills) could be options.

We drop down to #4, we potentially miss
the 3 best all around midfielders in the draft.
 
I was reading those comparisons and thinking "Gee for a "poor draft" its got some quality."

Yeah some of those comparisons are hilarious. I always rate Buckernara's opinion but a lot of them are so far off the mark I'd questioned if he has seen them play. My comparisons would more be along the lines of:

Rayner - Dusty Martin
Dow - Luke Shuey
LDU - Callan Ward
Fogarty - Jack Ziebell but a bit quicker.
Cerra - Trent Cotchin
Higgins - Robbie Gray/Zorko
O'Brien - Scully (Not as quick or as damaging kick)
Coffield - Birchall
Garner - Docherty
 
Yeah some of those comparisons are hilarious. I always rate Buckernara's opinion but a lot of them are so far off the mark I'd questioned if he has seen them play. My comparisons would more be along the lines of:

Rayner - Dusty Martin
Dow - Luke Shuey
LDU - Callan Ward
Fogarty - Jack Ziebell but a bit quicker.
Cerra - Trent Cotchin
Higgins - Robbie Gray/Zorko
O'Brien - Scully (Not as quick or as damaging kick)
Coffield - Birchall
Garner - Docherty
Zorko comparison with Higgins is spot on , but I'd argue Obrien has on par pace & is more skillfull than Scully ... Endurance is what separates Scully he's just a beast . On talent alone Obrien is top 3-5 in this draft but has been found wanting a bit in the contested ball . If he lands outside the top 10 he's going to be a steal for whomever lands him .
 
Yeah some of those comparisons are hilarious. I always rate Buckernara's opinion but a lot of them are so far off the mark I'd questioned if he has seen them play. My comparisons would more be along the lines of:

Rayner - Dusty Martin
Dow - Luke Shuey
LDU - Callan Ward
Fogarty - Jack Ziebell but a bit quicker.
Cerra - Trent Cotchin
Higgins - Robbie Gray/Zorko
O'Brien - Scully (Not as quick or as damaging kick)
Coffield - Birchall
Garner - Docherty
#helpfindcerra

Pass..
 
Zorko comparison with Higgins is spot on , but I'd argue Obrien has on par pace & is more skillfull than Scully ... Endurance is what separates Scully he's just a beast . On talent alone Obrien is top 3-5 in this draft but has been found wanting a bit in the contested ball . If he lands outside the top 10 he's going to be a steal for whomever lands him .

Higgins is definitely not like Picken or Garlett like Buckenara suggested, and he is definitely not like Lewis Taylor like Knightmare suggests.

Has Gray's overhead marking ability with Zorko's pace and ability to open the game up. Very natural footballer and I'm surprised guys like Cerra are rated above him.

If you can't win the contested footy you aren't going to be rated in that top 5 category. Which is why I think O'brien is more a 10-15 sort of pick. He's had too many down games across TAC cup where he hasn't had much of an impact.
 
I'd love Clark or Graner with our 2nd pick. Both are good tacklers who run both ways. Both good, fit, natural runners as well.
Hunter can kick on both legs and can roost it 60+.


Oh and his game on the weekend

Top 10 hopeful Hunter Clark was an unstoppable force for Dandenong, racking up 34 disposals, seven clearances, 10 inside 50s and booting two goals in his side’s narrow loss
 
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TAC Cup Scouting Notes: Power Turn Pioneers Lights Off

ByJohnny Bradman
Posted on August 22,


The Gippsland Power took another important step towards finals by defeating the Bendigo Pioneers by almost three goals in Ballarat on Sunday. The final margin was held for most of the day, although the Pioneers challenged at times. Despite the inclusions of Brent Daniels, Jarrod Brander, Jye Caldwell and Paddy Dow, the Power won the big moments to ensure the 4 points. For the Pioneers, the loss will see them claim the Wooden Spoon unless they can conjure a win against the top placed Oakleigh Chargers this weekend.


GIPPSLAND POWER
NICK HOGAN | MID | 175CM | 78KG

( 12 Kicks, 11 handballs, 1 goal)
Nick Hogan showed why he is starting to pop up on the radar of recruiters on the weekend. The son of local Gippsland star, and former Sydney Swan, Damian, Nick was dynamic on the weekend. He consistently burst from stoppages with pace and his run and carry into the forward half was damaging. A classy mover with great skills, Hogan accumulated 23 disposals, kicked a great goal, and was involved in four scoring assists. His clearance work was of high quality and he finished with six clearances for the day.

CALLUM PORTER | MID | 181CM | 73KG
( 13 Kicks, 9 Handballs)
Porter once again did his draft chances no harm. His last few months have been excellent and his performance on the weekend was classy. Porter finished the day with 22 disposals, but like Hogan, he took advantage of the Power’s ruck dominance to pump the ball six times to his forwards. A composed ball user, Porter has some very good qualities including winning his ‘own’ ball.

JACK HUDSON | FWD | 180CM | 80KG
( 10 Kicks, 3 Handballs, 3 Goals)
Hudson was the difference between the two teams in the end with his ability to kick an important goal when his team needed it. A busy forward, Hudson also placed great pressure on the opposition defence with his pace and tackling pressure. Hudson sealed the game for the Power when he intercepted a kick in from the Pioneers and converted to put the result beyond doubt. Hudson is a damaging forward if afford time and space and his ability to turn the ball over in the Power forward half was a highlight of the match.

BOADIE MOTTON | MID | 176CM | 68KG
( 9 Kicks, 10 handballs)
Motton was an important player for the Power on the weekend. He was very composed when under pressure and made some great decisions with ball in hand. He has a nice mix between contested ball and also getting on the outside. he is also prepared to get to the ‘Coal face ‘ and lay effective tackles. A very encouraging performance.

CALEB SERONG | FWD | 176CM | 69KG
( 8 Kicks,13 Handballs)

Serong was a consistent contributor for the Power on the weekend. He was terrific around the clearances, either winning them or putting physical pressure on his opponents. He has a nice balance between contested and uncontested possessions and he puts his body on the line when required. Serong is an excellent linking player and he uses his hands well to bring others into the game, especially in contested situations.He would benefit from working on his kicking effectiveness, although many of his kicks are under pressure around the contest.

LIAM CARROLL | DEF | 182CM | 70KG
( 6 kicks, 1 handball)

Although Carroll did not accumulate big numbers on the weekend, he showed enough as a defender to be named in the Power’s best 6 on the day. He defended well and his impact on high balls coming in was significant. Carroll also rebounded out of the defensive 50 on four occasions. Carroll showed poise under pressure and wasn’t flustered when the Pioneers challenged.



BENDIGO PIONEERS
JYE CALDWELL | MID | 181CM | 78KG
(6 Kicks, 15 handballs)

The well built bottom- ager, showed why he is an AIS member with a very good game against the Power. Caldwell brought his teammates into the game with his linking handball and pace from the contest. Caldwell excelled around the stoppages and finished with six clearances in a great all round game. There isn’t much to dislike about his game and he seems to go up another ‘gear’ when the heat is really on. He has a great temperament and plays a team game. Caldwell has all the attributes to be a future top 10 prospect in 2018.

PADDY DOW | MID | 184CM | 78KG
( 15 kicks, 20 handballs)

Dow really took his game to another level against Gippsland in a consummate all round performance, that highlighted the possibility that he could be the number one choice at this year’s draft. In my opinion, he was the most damaging player on the ground, accumulating possessions at will and dominating the clearances, despite the Pioneers being out sized in the ruck. Dow also kicked two goals and his explosiveness from stoppages was a pleasure to watch. Dow has great agility, uses the ball well and is also very good above his head in marking contests. Many football followers would’ve walked away from Ballarat very impressed with his game.

JARROD BRANDER | DEF/FWD | 195CM | 90KG
(11 Kicks ,10 handballs)

Is he a forward or a defender? That is the question that is being asked about Brander at the moment. Stationed at centre-half forward, Brander played a very good game. He manages to get separation on his opponents and his lead up marking was very hard to contain. Brander is another player that seems to like the game going up a notch and he attempted to put his stamp on the game when it was in the balance. Brander kicked two very nice goals and missed one that he would kick most weeks. The questions about him being a top 10 choice in the draft were definitely answered in his first TAC Cup game of the season.


AUSTIN MERTZ | DEF | 189CM | 90KG
(9 kicks, 9 handballs)

Mertz has become a very important defender for the Bendigo Pioneers as the season has progressed. A tall defender with pace, he has the capacity to close time and space on opponents. Mertz, rebounded the ball well on the weekend with 5 defensive rebounds. He still has some rawness about his game and needs to get his kicking to an elite level to become an even better player. You cannot, however question his commitment to the team and contest.

DARBY HENDERSON | MID | 176CM | 72KG
(10 Kicks, 17 Handballs)

Averaging 29 disposals a game, Henderson was once again a very good contributor for the Pioneers. His work in and around the contest was very good and his ability to find team mates with his hands is excellent. Often found at the bottom of the packs , Henderson has the hardness and physical presence to allow others to come into the game. Having an exceptional year, Henderson is leading the stats in the competition and will be looking at a solid finish to a terrific season.

BRENT DANIELS | FWD | 172CM | 70KG
( 8 kicks, 11 handballs)

Daniels was a solid contributor for the Pioneers against the Power. Despite not picking up huge numbers, he was still able to influence the contest with two goals, an area in which he excels. I would’ve liked to have seen him go through the midfield or even play off half back where he can be even more damaging. Daniels can cut sides to pieces with his explosive run and carry and can hit the scoreboard even if playing back.
 
Hunter can kick on both legs and can roost it 60+.


Oh and his game on the weekend

Top 10 hopeful Hunter Clark was an unstoppable force for Dandenong, racking up 34 disposals, seven clearances, 10 inside 50s and booting two goals in his side’s narrow loss

Really coming into his own in the 2nd half of the year.

Didn't really play much midfield in the first half of the year as he was mainly playing across half back. Now that he is playing midfield he is really getting noticed. Really strong in the air like Bartel/Parker and really makes tackles stick. One of the better well rounded midfielders in this draft. I'm tipping once he tests at the combine he'll come into top 10 calculations
 

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Nah
Rayner, Dow and LDU all ahead of him
One thing I know for sure, I watched a game when Cerra was in Year 10 and Ryan Clarke was Year 12. Cerra was by far the better performer on the day. He's, basically, had horrible luck with injuries since that day, nothing that will impact on his career, though. As a Year 10, he starred for Easterm Ranges in the TAC Cup final. I know we haven't spoken to him yet but whoever does get him will win the lottery for mine.
 
Fair enough for the clubs to be nervous. But didn't the same things get said about Selwood though Pykie ?

Selwood had one knee, not two.
 
Thoughts on a hypothetical fellow Roos . Say Kelly stays put and have pick 1 , do we offer up pick 1 for St kildas 7&9 then try and package up Goldy + pick 18 for dogs pick 10 . Or stick with our pick 1?
 
yeah true.. One knee could an accident but 2 suggests some fragility and we need to get our first pick spot on
Not sure if you read the article but its says he didnt do 2 knees as such but that the first one didnt work as they would have liked and being 16 at the time and still growing it gives weight that he might be fine and never have a other problem
 
No.1 draft pick may not matter for North Melbourne or Brisbane in an even year

SAM LANDSBERGER, Herald Sun

THIS is not the Cameron Rayner Cup.

That’s the sexy sell for an ugly contest, but it’s not quite the case.

The No.1 pick will be decided when Brisbane Lions host North Melbourne off Broadway on Saturday afternoon.

The loser will profit with the golden selection.

Will it remain at the Gabba for the first time since 1998, or be delivered to Arden St for the first time in history?

Whoever holds the pick will boast the most marketability on draft night, as well as the cheeky chance of walking a player through to the pre-season draft.

There is an aura about No.1.

We all know Essendon plumped for Andy McGrath last November, but how many could reel off the next few selections — Tim Taranto, Hugh McCluggage, Ben Ainsworth and Will Setterfield?

But in football terms, it might not mean too much.

The 2017 draft class is wide open, lacking a Nick Riewoldt standout.

This year there is no Lachie Whitfield, who was identified by recruiters as the clear No.1 as far as 18 months before the 2012 national draft.

If there was a betting market, Rayner would be favourite to have his name called first.

He is the cool kid from Penleigh Essendon Grammar School who plays with power and explosion, similar to Brownlow favourite Dustin Martin.

Rayner wants the big stage and he makes things happen whenever he is around the ball.

He could be the man for both the Lions and Kangas, or he could be neither’s choice.

The evenness of this year’s pool mean both could get the player on top of their talent list.

Last year the Lions took McCluggage at No.3, when they rated him above McGrath and Taranto at No.1.

They might prefer a Paddy Dow or Adam Cerra, while Luke Davies-Uniacke could trump Rayner at the Roos.

It is Dow with a bullet for some scouts, particularly after his exhilarating display for Bendigo Pioneers on Sunday.

The Lions’ developing spine is their strength, and the Kangas have Coleman Medal longshot Ben Brown. But would Jarrod Brander appeal?

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North Melbourne could opt for Luke Davies-Uniacke with its first draft selection. Picture: Jason Sammon
The 194cm forward, who is no longer in the Greater Western Sydney academy, has impressed as a key defender this season and is the best tall in the draft since Will Sutherland signed a Victorian cricket rookie contract.

St Kilda now holds two top-10 picks and the Western Bulldogs are likely to have their first since Marcus Bontempelli in 2013.

They won’t mind the difficulty rivals have sorting the cream before them.

“Just when you are sold on a player they give you reasons to query them again,” one recruiter said.


“It’s a frustrating year with lots of injuries as well.”

Suddenly the four points at the Gabba, and avoiding the wooden spoon, don’t seem so bad after all.

THE LEADING CONTENDERS FOR THE NO.1 PICK
CAMERON RAYNER (Western Jets/Vic Metro)

Height 187cm, Weight 88kg

Could the Kangaroos pair ‘Mini Dusty’ with big Dusty? Bombers fan Rayner plays the same way as Martin blueprint and thrives in the limelight. Not a great runner yet, but the explosive half-forward made a statement when he averaged 120 SuperCoach points and slotted 12 goals in four Vic Metro games.

PADDY DOW (Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country)

Height 184cm, Weight: 78kg

Midfielder with great character who cuts angles, kicks goals, can win clearances and marks overhead. Seven of the eight Victorians the Lions have drafted over the past two years have been country boys. Bagged two goals from 35 disposals on Sunday.

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Paddy Dow in action for Vic Country. Picture: Getty Images

LUKE DAVIES-UNIACKE (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)

Height: 187cm, Weight: 85kg

Plays as a Nat Fyfe-type taller midfielder and is a threat near goal. Averaged 349 metres gained for Vic Country and opened this year’s national carnival with 34 disposals, but ultimately missed All-Australian selection. The Rye lad loves riding waves and is at school with St Kilda’s Josh Battle.

ADAM CERRA (Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro)

Height: 186cm, Weight: 85kg

A knee injury ruined his 2016 season and shoulder surgery this month ended his 2017 campaign. But in between the classy midfielder produced some solid form. Smart footballer who lacks a gear of acceleration, but averaged 95 SuperCoach points from 18.3 disposals and 4.3 clearances for Vic Metro.

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Eastern Ranges midfielder Adam Cerra.

DARCY FOGARTY (Glenelg/South Australia)

Height: 192cm, Weight: 92kg

A knee injury recently ended his season after a quiet patch of form. Fogarty was seen to be drifting down the draft order, but former Hawthorn recruiter Gary Buckenara still rates him as the No. 1 pick. Buckenara said he plays like a stronger Jack Gunston and will be a star. Has the flexibility to play as a third tall or a defender. Averaged 72 SuperCoach points for South Australia.

Analysis: Sam Landsberger

WHAT THEY NEED
North Melbourne

Loaded with tall players and inside midfielders, the Kangaroos desperately need top-end talent with speed and polish to capitalise on its contested ball power. Ideally it is a Dustin Martin-type who is capable of making an impact with and without the ball.

Brisbane Lions

Exciting and incredibly even list. Developing talls at both ends of the ground, but could use a specialist forward-midfielder to buzz around Eric Hipwood and Josh Schache.
 

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Review 2017 AFL National Draft - Friday 24th November


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