2017 Ladder Predictions

[Janus]

I'll believe it when I see it. These are predictions are not unlike the predictions that you lot made at the beginning of 2015 and 2016.

 

[GreyCrow]

Crows are fapping based on a 2016 where they suffered no injuries and 2 thirds of their best 22 had career best years. If improvement is linear, sure they should be around the mark, but we all know linear improvement is by no means guaranteed. Crows are a reasonably good side, but if Talia, Sloane or Lil Eddie miss any decent portions of the year they will be exposed. A normal run with Injuries should see them in the bottom half of the 8.

Explain our 2015 and your 2015

 

[Papa G]

Explain our 2015 and your 2015

Port failed massively in 2015. Just went inexplicably backwards. Whether they got ahead of themselves or just thought it was going to happen it's hard to say, but it was a fail, no excuses.

Adelaide's 2015 saw their coach die which seemed to galvanise the group. They also had Dangerfield in 15. They were actually a better team in 15 than they were in 16, but in 16 everything went right injury wise and Pyke probably had a new coach bounce.

 

[GreyCrow]

Port failed massively in 2015. Just went inexplicably backwards. Whether they got ahead of themselves or just thought it was going to happen it's hard to say, but it was a fail, no excuses.

Adelaide's 2015 saw their coach die which seemed to galvanise the group. They also had Dangerfield in 15. They were actually a better team in 15 than they were in 16, but in 16 everything went right injury wise and Pyke probably had a new coach bounce.

Fair enough. I think our draw and Pykes 2nd year will see a natural progression enough to see us in the 8. Putting a positive spin on it , as a supporter, means I see us in the top 4.

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

You should consult with some Freo supporters before you make bets like this !! It can come undone very quickly when a few things turn against you.

Hoping for a good run to actually start. We've had our fair share of twists n turns in the last couple of years. We're due to have an ok run.

But yeah, anything can happen, we'll have to wait n see...

 

[Janus]

Fair enough. I think our draw and Pykes 2nd year will see a natural progression enough to see us in the 8. Putting a positive spin on it , as a supporter, means I see us in the top 4.

So do I.

Then I see you bouncing out of finals in straight sets because your midfield is swill.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

Here's how I see Ports season panning out being as un-biased as I can be.
Rnd 1 Sydney-SCG-loss.
Sydney just miles ahead of PA.
Rnd 2 Freo-AO-win.
Not guaranteed but I'm not convinced that Freo will jump straight back up the ladder.
Rnd 3 Crows-AO-(Port home game). Loss.
Crows too much forward fire power and solid defence.
Rnd 4 GWS-MO- loss.
GWS will belt them again.
Rnd 5 Carlton-AO-win.
Carlton contenders for spoon.
Rnd 6 Brisbane-Gabba-win.
Port should win but they like to lose up there recently, not guaranteed.
Rnd 7 WC-AO-loss.
WC too good.
Rnd 8 GC-MS-loss.
A good run with injuries could see them improve
Rnd 9 Bye.
Rnd 10 Geelong-AO-loss.
Just like last year.
Rnd 11 Hawks-AO-win.
Hawks hard to guess but I'll give Port the benefit of the doubt.
Rnd 12 Essendon-ES-win.
Port better than them.
Rnd 13 Brisbane-AO-win.
Brisbane another spoon contender.
Rnd 14 Collingwood-MCG-loss.
I'm tipping pies but really 50/50.
Rnd 15 Richmond-AO-win
Not sure what's going on at Punt road.
Rnd 16 WC-DS-loss.
See Rnd 7.
Rnd 17 Nth Melbourne-AO-win.
North big sliders.
Rnd 18 Melbourne-MCG- loss.
Port have had the edge on the Dees recently but I think that will be reversed this season.
Rnd 19 StKilda-AO-loss.
Could go either way but I'm backing the Saints this time.
Rnd 20 Crows-AO- loss.
See Rnd 3.
Rnd 21 Collingwood-AO-win.
Both these sides pretty even I think; home ground advantage wins.
Rnd 22 WB-Eureka oval? Loss.
Port not good enough to beat Bulldogs.
Rnd 23 GC-AO- win.
Home ground advantage.
That's 10 wins 12 losses on my prediction.
I don't think they'll slip down the ladder too far but I just don't see where the improvement is going to come from TBO.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

1.Essendon
2.Carlton

rest are irrelevant

 

[Alwaysacrow]

Ha ha. Great movie and fantastic one liner; not sure what your point is though Wesley

 

[Janus]

Ha ha. Great movie and fantastic one liner; not sure what your point I'd though Wesley

The point is twofold:

1. You're more likely to succeed if you keep betting on one outcome, rather than chopping and changing all the time.

2. Port wears black

 

[Alwaysacrow]

2. Port wears black

So does Collingwood, Richmond and Essendon, am I missing any?

 

[Giant Pete]

The point is twofold:

1. You're more likely to succeed if you keep betting on one outcome, rather than chopping and changing all the time.

2. Port wears black

Oh no.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Port failed massively in 2015. Just went inexplicably backwards. Whether they got ahead of themselves or just thought it was going to happen it's hard to say, but it was a fail, no excuses.

Adelaide's 2015 saw their coach die which seemed to galvanise the group. They also had Dangerfield in 15. They were actually a better team in 15 than they were in 16, but in 16 everything went right injury wise and Pyke probably had a new coach bounce.

Lol, so the Crows have been lucky (including losing a coach midseason) & Port have been unlucky to make the finals...but it is all going to change around this year as 3rd time lucky...

Nothing to do with Hinkley missing strong assistant coaches, temporary fitness advantage to run out games, etc. Imo, your squad is weaker than it was in 2015 with less experience & need a part rebuild.

Meanwhile, Crows have been steadily building our squad & Pyke should be better placed to make all the changes he wants, now he has had a year to understand the club. I don't have us top-3 this year, but it won't be a fluke if we are in the finals again.

 

[baldandbroke]

You need to grow a penis mate. Bob Skilton's nickname was the Chimp, because he looked like a Chimp.
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Are you going to cry about that too?

Mmm, such an intelligent riposte especially the penis bit ... but, if you are so "OK" with calling Eddie a chimp after the banana throwing incident, why did you edit it out of the original post PG? Could it be your true thoughts were showing just a bit too much? (here is where you tell me that you have a friend that is black and he doesn't mind being called a chimp either)

 

[TooBlue14]

Probably my third attempt at this. Looking at each round ive done a ladder predictor.

1-Sydney 20 wins
2-GWS 19 wins
3-Adelaide 18 wins
4-Western Bulldogs 16 wins
5-Geelong 16 wins
6-West Coast 12 wins
7-Saints 12 wins
8-Collingwood 12 wins
9-Melbourne 11 wins
10-Fremantle 11 wins
11-Hawthorn 10 wins
12-Port Adelaide 10 wins
13-Essendon 8 wins
14-Richmond 7 wins
15-Carlton 6 wins
16-GC 4 wins
17-North 2 wins
18-Brisbane 2 wins

Huge gaps between 5th and 6th just like this year. Top 4, particularly 3-5 to have a lot of competition. 6th to 12th to be fairly close also. Drop between 12th and 13th. And from 13th down anything can happen.

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

Imo, your squad is weaker than it was in 2015 with less experience & need a part rebuild.

Dafuq

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Dafuq

No Schultz & Carlisle... imo your spine looks weaker, particularly compared to the top teams.

Midfield drops away after Gray, Boak & Wingard.

Have some promising younger players, but they need to gain experience.

 

[eth-dog]

No Schultz & Carlisle... imo your spine looks weaker, particularly compared to the top teams.

Midfield drops away after Gray, Boak & Wingard.

Have some promising younger players, but they need to gain experience.

Hombsch, Trengove and Clurey is pretty good in defence; Westhoff and Dixon forward with Ryder as the ruck. Pretty good if you ask me.

 

[Janus]

No Schultz & Carlisle... imo your spine looks weaker, particularly compared to the top teams.

Midfield drops away after Gray, Boak & Wingard.

Have some promising younger players, but they need to gain experience.

Key one on one defenders will soon go the way of the dodo to be replaced by holistic team defence, due to the fact that the days of gorilla forwards dominating in individual contests of strength being over thanks to a plethora of rule changes that make it almost impossible to get seperation without being hit on the lead.

Add to that the propensity for coaches to require their forwards to push up into the midfield, with the defenders naturally following, and you can understand why teams selected the players they did in the draft. The game is moving away from rigidity and into flexibility.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Hombsch, Trengove and Clurey is pretty good in defence; Westhoff and Dixon forward with Ryder as the ruck. Pretty good if you ask me.

So about mid-table for kpp.

Is Westoff a good 2nd kpp forward or is he better as a 3rd tall?

Is Trengove needed more down back or up forward/ruck?

Hombsch good player, but isn't he more suited as a 3rd tall? Clury & Austin look likely, but lack experience compared to Carlisle. Hence my part rebuild comment.

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

No Schultz & Carlisle... imo your spine looks weaker, particularly compared to the top teams.

Midfield drops away after Gray, Boak & Wingard.

Have some promising younger players, but they need to gain experience.

Everyone's entitled their opinion...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Everyone's entitled their opinion...

Indeed.

How do you see your Kpp line-up this year? How does it compare to 2014?

 

[Ricmel]

Key one on one defenders will soon go the way of the dodo to be replaced by holistic team defence, due to the fact that the days of gorilla forwards dominating in individual contests of strength being over thanks to a plethora of rule changes that make it almost impossible to get seperation without being hit on the lead.

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You need to have a look at the results of a team that had no KPD in 2016 (StKilda) and the impact of that.

GWS, loss by 47, Cameron 5
Eagles loss by 103. Kennedy 5
Crows loss by 92, Jenkins 7
Swans loss by 70, Franklin 6

Hogan also kicked 5 against us.

 

[TheFourPillars]

You need to have a look at the results of a team that had no KPD in 2016 (StKilda) and the impact of that.

GWS, loss by 47, Cameron 5
Eagles loss by 103. Kennedy 5
Crows loss by 92, Jenkins 7
Swans loss by 70, Franklin 6

Hogan also kicked 5 against us.

Ok I agree with what your saying but by changing things up and adding Carlisle does that offset some of the gains you had in other areas?

 

[Ricmel]

Ok I agree with what your saying but by changing things up and adding Carlisle does that offset some of the gains you had in other areas?

I don't know really. I don't remember much of Carlisle - can't recall how good or bad he is but effectively, in this Saints team I think he replaces Fisher. The way Fisher was going at the end of 2016, Carlisle would have to be pretty ordinary if it was a downgrade.

I think Carlisle and Brown at CHB and FB gives Saints a totally different look to 2016. On the one hand it could result in our ball movement being slower, on the other, it could give our half backs more license to run.

Won't know until the season starts I guess.