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Big Gazoongas
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Be patient, shouldn't be to long before the GWS zone encompasses all of Australia and there will be a draft that only GWS can participate in.
Deaneus!
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It's easy.
- GWS must succeed, they're key to TV rights with western Sydney population
- it took too long for Sydney to get established (and it's questionable they are)
- therefore give them overboard concessions to make them constantly successful and attract kids who will become paying members in 20 years
Big Gazoongas
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That's a very good question.
The AFL are clearly devoid of any leadership from a CEO perspective. I have thought for a little while the bloke that seems to be the puppeteer is Mike Fitzpatrick.
If ever there was an organisation that needed a clean sweep and a power grinder put to it, its the AFL. How some of them still hold the positions they have is a mystery.
The Essendon saga should have been the start of the end for all the AFL leaders, CEO and all of the board at AFL house and that end should have been instigated and implemented from a political perspective.
The behaviour and actions of those at AFL house, particularly through the Essendon saga, is a blight on our great game.
How an organisation can beat it's chest like a silver back gorilla with regards to implementation of drug codes and then openly try to negotiate an outcome behind closed doors with the perpetrators shows the type of leadership we have at AFL house.......its not worth a bucket of poo!!!
3) When said shit doesn't turn out to happen (because it never was going to), simply declare that clubs/players have acted because your agenda flushed them out into the open, forcing them to do something
4) Rinse and repeat
Deaneus!
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I'm in my yearly cycle of hating football right now. I've also stopped caring about cricket, so that's not good...
I'm in the same boat. The days of enjoying my favourite sports as sports are long gone. I'm now sick of the media hype driven by gossip merchants and thick-as-bricks ex-players, corporatisation led by MBA flogs, overpaid monotone robots demanding more money and oversaturation.
My interest in summer sports was akin to the majority of Tealsters interest in their club during the "lost" years of 2010-2012.
Only "Professional" sporting event I have been to this summer was an Adelaide Bite game.
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I'd say that proposed rule would come into play if a team uses a draft pick in the top 20 to make a bid on a F-S candidate from another team that finished in the top 8 in that draft year, that the other top 8 team would then not be able to match the bid. But this would be stupid if that first team that made the bid was also a top 8 team (unless they keep top 8 out of the top 20 draft picks altogether?
)So in the BJ case, since noone used a top 20 bid on BJ, we being a top 8 team had access to him.
OTOH, Jackson Edwards could maybe attract a draft pick in the top 20 bid on him and again if we're in top 8, we would not be able to match and so lose him as a F-S. Whereas, if noone bid on him within top 20 draft, we would be able to just pick him as a normal draft pick (which we probably wouldn't, and use a later pick to draft him or match another bid).
But as I wrote above, another top 8 team could make a bid on Jackson and we would not be able to match but yet he ends up going to a top 8 team ... sigh
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But who is the AFL directly answerable to? No one? If all or a large majority of the Clubs united over an issue, could they kick out the existing AFL leadership?
Big Gazoongas
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Right now it doesn't look like they are answerable to anyone.
I don't know if AFL clubs have a mechanism to instigate removal of incumbents, someone more knowledgeable on this may be able to chime in.
Regardless the AFL can not go on without accountability. Look at FIFA and Septic Bladder. Im not saying the AFL are at FIFA proportions but highlighting what can happen when people play god.
If the AFL clubs can't do anything it must come from the political side.
At the very least there should have been an investigation into the behaviour, actions and decisions of the leaders at AFL house over the Essendon saga.
When you listen to Ben McDevitt and the evidence he presented against you wonder how the AFL came to the decisions they did??
For me its a no brainer, one way or another not one of them should still hold a position.
It will depend on the constitution of the AFL. Anyone have a copy?
TexForPM
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Gillon is getting henpecked by NSW
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The AFL Commission control the AFL
Current Members
Mike Fitzpatrick - Chairman
Gillion McLachlan - Chief Executive Officer - Nothing different as the CEO is on the Board of most organisations.
Richard Goyder - Commissioner
Paul Basset - Commissioner
Kim Williams - Commissioner
Mayor General Simone Wilkie - Commissioner
Andrew Newbold - Commissioner
Gabrielle Trainor - Commissioner
The 18 Clubs can influence the Commission and call for a vote of No confidence. As they nominate and elect the commission.
The Federal and Vic Government can disband the Board. (Reason the Vic government can because it registered in Vic.)
A winning Legal Challenge thru the high court or federal court. Could possibly remove the commission. would need the legal beagles to call that one.
Kane McGoodwin
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They are mostly very well connected, so it would be near impossible to overthrow them.
Not only well connected, But According to people with the power, they are running a very successful organisation with wins finically, a big win in how they are setting up the women's comp, the steady increase in Viewers and Membership, the dominance of social media, they are ticking most boxes, Overall they are seen as doing a very good job.
At this time it would be impossible to remove them.
They probably don't really know anything other than that there working hard and if they're ahead they need to continue because the opposition will certainly be coming back hard at them or if they're behind they need to work harder and stick to their structures and hope to get back in front.
What would be interesting would be if a player like Danger has had 20 and kicked 2 goals to half time, they ask something like, "you're really making a mess of them out there, is there any particular opponent that you've embarrassed?" "nah, mate, just working hard and a few things have gone my way, but it's tough out there, you've got to earn every kick. Brisbane may be behind by 70 points on the scoreboard, but it's not reflective of their attack on the ball and man out there"
Kane McGoodwin
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Would you say the CEO is doing a good job?
Me personally No, But word from others he is doing well considering, Some believe he inherited a mine field.
Don't know what his KPI's are but he is ticking a couple of them ie profit, attendance, Women teams, Good Friday football, Next big tick will come to the end of the year with Night Grand final and the ratings win, One thing is he could do with a better media manager.
But he has failed in several other areas, that did get a lot of media attention,
Kane McGoodwin
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The guy is not very bright & struggles to make a decision! These are key requirements of a competent CEO!
I would like to know who thinks he is doing a good job...
Hate him or disagree with him you cannot say that he not very bright far from it. Check out his history before you go too far along that line of thinking.
As for decision making why is it the CEO takes the blame for the bad ones but the AFL credit for the good ones. that to me points to a reasonable competent CEO. I am still stuck on the way he handled the Essendon situation even tho he did inherit that one.
But I would say Good Friday, Women's Comp, Buying out Etihad stadium and the plans around it, would be making a decision.
I have attempted to put the mistakes I believe the AFL has made in one column and the good points in another column and so far have been surprised.
In order to honestly judge a man we owe to ourselves to looks at all the points
Of running a business? Yes. He's increasing profits, throwing everything at his expansion markets, burying PR crises, controlling the unions/staff, silencing media criticism, pushing his preferred brands and getting Government grants to pick up development costs.
Of running a sport? Nope.
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WTF? Surely they jest. If they change the rule and we lose a first round quality father son because of it, it will be almost impossible to hide the bias.I'd say that proposed rule would come into play if a team uses a draft pick in the top 20 to make a bid on a F-S candidate from another team that finished in the top 8 in that draft year, that the other top 8 team would then not be able to match the bid. But this would be stupid if that first team that made the bid was also a top 8 team (unless they keep top 8 out of the top 20 draft picks altogether?
So in the BJ case, since noone used a top 20 bid on BJ, we being a top 8 team had access to him.
OTOH, Jackson Edwards could maybe attract a draft pick in the top 20 bid on him and again if we're in top 8, we would not be able to match and so lose him as a F-S. Whereas, if noone bid on him within top 20 draft, we would be able to just pick him as a normal draft pick (which we probably wouldn't, and use a later pick to draft him or match another bid).
But as I wrote above, another top 8 team could make a bid on Jackson and we would not be able to match but yet he ends up going to a top 8 team ... sigh
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