2017 trade/draft thread

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Last year was an exception but it doesn't happen often enough. Rookie list players given 1-2 years then try again. Our management is obsessed with "types" of players. Keeping McInnes as cover is a joke, we don't need cover for the cover. If he's not good enough, pay him out and move on. No use him wasting a year on the list when we could be trying out a new rookie. I might be being to harsh on the talent of the list but at least turn over the match day squads a bit more. Players are complacent and no one is pushing them to succeed.

They just turn up every week, cruise through the game, talk to the media about our effort not being good enough, change nothing, do it all again next week

McInnes signed a 2 year contract in 2015, after he covered for Darling admirably early in the season. Nobody was complaining at the time. Some people were even saying he'd play every week at another club.

It's easy to say we should have cut him after 2016 but that takes balls when a guy plays the year injured (2016), is a possible ruck option for 2017 and would need his contract paid out.

Moving him to the rookie list means he only cost us our last pick in the rookie draft anyway. Hardly a huge error keeping him and there might be life in his AFL career yet... but almost certainly not at WC.

 

[ziad]

Sweet so the plan is:

Step 1: trade out A graders for whatever we can get

Step 2:trade in a list full of C graders

Step 3: get Ross Lyon as coach

Step 4: play C graders for next 5 years and compile draft picks by finishing last

Step 5: dart eyes repeatedly and collect the profits

don't be silly, C grades will not come to Perth

 

[Sloane4pm]

Has there been much mention of Gov Jnr over there? Rumors of him coming home or putting contract talks off have gone quiet not sure if a good or bad thing?

 

[DanWCE]

Has there been much mention of Gov Jnr over there? Rumors of him coming home or putting contract talks off have gone quiet not sure if a good or bad thing?

I think BOND 007 may have suggested something and he's got a finger on the pulse of our draft/trade dept but it could have been tongue in cheek.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Has there been much mention of Gov Jnr over there? Rumors of him coming home or putting contract talks off have gone quiet not sure if a good or bad thing?

Have heard he's bought a house in Lathlain and is pre-enrolling his son at Wesley.

You're in trouble.

 

[sey666]

Seems Daniel Menzel is a (restricted?) free agent this year. Says he is happy with another one year deal with Geelong. He is not from Victoria, still only 25 and would not cost us any draft picks - we should offer him a longer better deal. Barring another significant injury, he could be very good for us.

 

[Falco]

Seems Daniel Menzel is a (restricted?) free agent this year. Says he is happy with another one year deal with Geelong. He is not from Victoria, still only 25 and would not cost us any draft picks - we should offer him a longer better deal. Barring another significant injury, he could be very good for us.

I dont think he'll leave Geelong after how long they've persevered with him. Great player when up and about, but durability is a massive question mark over him. Don't think its a ridiculous proposition though.

 

[06Premiers]

Seems Daniel Menzel is a (restricted?) free agent this year. Says he is happy with another one year deal with Geelong. He is not from Victoria, still only 25 and would not cost us any draft picks - we should offer him a longer better deal. Barring another significant injury, he could be very good for us.

From Adelaide. Should get into some tasty threesome action with Gov Jr to allow both sets of brothers to play with each other.

 

[Gravitas]

Have heard he's bought a house in Lathlain and is pre-enrolling his son at Wesley.

You're in trouble.

Wesley? Doesn't bode well for our future father/son pick. If Gov Jnr wants his son to have half a brain and display any sort of intent/spirit on a football field he would do well to stay clear of Wesley. Trust me, been there, done that. The place is a shambles at the moment.

 

[Chris_6678]

Fyfe is enrolling into Belridge Senior High School for next year.

 

[kane249]

From Adelaide. Should get into some tasty threesome action with Gov Jr to allow both sets of brothers to play with each other.

Not sure if playing in the SANFL would be too big of a lure for Daniel Menzel though

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Seems Daniel Menzel is a (restricted?) free agent this year. Says he is happy with another one year deal with Geelong. He is not from Victoria, still only 25 and would not cost us any draft picks - we should offer him a longer better deal. Barring another significant injury, he could be very good for us.

I'd be disappointed if we didn't offer him a 3 year deal would. Would add something to our team and would push some spuds out.

 

[avishka5]

I'd be disappointed if we didn't offer him a 3 year deal would. Would add something to our team and would push some spuds out.

Good lecras replacement but i rather us look for talls and try and improve our midfield. Menzel is an icing on top of the cake sort.

 

[dajesmac]

Doing a bit of early research into the draft this year and there's a few that have caught my eye. Callum Coleman-Jones (ruck/forward from SA with a strong grab), James Worpel (185cm inside mid) and Cameron Rayner (185cm HFF) in particular - though it's obviously impossible to be able to gauge whether they will be within our each by the end of the season. I suspect we will be having our first dip inside the top 10-12. Aaron Naughton (West Australian KPD) would not be the worst option - while we don't lack KPD our stocks are somewhat ageing, though ideally we'd be in a position to fill other needs first.

Given we are likely to do the obligatory 'recruit a mature ager with a rookie selection' move this year, I would not be averse to having second chances to Dylan Main (averaging 25 possessions and 5 tackles) and/or Will Maginess (20 possessions and 1.5 goals), the former in particular.

While we're on the subject, can anyone tell me how the hell Brander is a GWS academy prospect if he is Victorian?

 

[mattyc75]

Doing a bit of early research into the draft this year and there's a few that have caught my eye. Callum Coleman-Jones (ruck/forward from SA with a strong grab), James Worpel (185cm inside mid) and Cameron Rayner (185cm HFF) in particular - though it's obviously impossible to be able to gauge whether they will be within our each by the end of the season. I suspect we will be having our first dip inside the top 10-12. Aaron Naughton (West Australian KPD) would not be the worst option - while we don't lack KPD our stocks are somewhat ageing, though ideally we'd be in a position to fill other needs first.

Given we are likely to do the obligatory 'recruit a mature ager with a rookie selection' move this year, I would not be averse to having second chances to Dylan Main (averaging 25 possessions and 5 tackles) and/or Will Maginess (20 possessions and 1.5 goals), the former in particular.

While we're on the subject, can anyone tell me how the hell Brander is a GWS academy prospect if he is Victorian?

Of the first 3 you mentioned Rayner is the best and should be gone before our first pick, worpel is a strong bodied inside mid,could play straight away but has kicking issues. Coleman Jones if he can be mainly a forward could be a good pick up,on the phantom draft boards there is a big difference in how he is viewed but the posters there

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[Falco]

Of the first 3 you mentioned Rayner is the best and should be gone before our first pick, worpel is a strong bodied inside mid,could play straight away but has kicking issues. Coleman Jones if he can be mainly a forward could be a good pick up,on the phantom draft boards there is a big difference in how he is viewed but the posters there

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Davies-Uniacke looks a great mid prospect too, well rounded and above average in most areas. I've seen the knock on Worpel's kicking as well. I would be very interested to see how we envisage picking up a KPF in this draft if our first pick is 11 or lower. I think we're going to have to be doing some canny trading to stengthen our position. St Kilda are laughing because they could possibly end up with two top 10 picks courtesy of the Hawks spudding it up this year (except when they play us of course).

 

[Falco]

If Venables makes his debut towards the end of the year, what does that mean for Hutchings? One more year as depth if Priddis retires?

 

[DanWCE]

Wesley? Doesn't bode well for our future father/son pick. If Gov Jnr wants his son to have half a brain and display any sort of intent/spirit on a football field he would do well to stay clear of Wesley. Trust me, been there, done that. The place is a shambles at the moment.

I can't comment on the footy side of things at Wesley but as a school it sounds pretty horrible. My brother in law has just left there. Typical teachers hands tied by entitled parents sort of BS. Whatever is happening there has gone far beyond boys just being boys.

If Venables makes his debut towards the end of the year, what does that mean for Hutchings? One more year as depth if Priddis retires?

Given how long we retained Ginners as depth and our propensity to lose player types in injury clusters (KPD, rucks) I think we would retain Hutchy until such time as we have better depth. He is the epitome of plug and play depth, but he could probably get a gig elsewhere if he isnt getting games with us.

 

[mattyc75]

Davies-Uniacke looks a great mid prospect too, well rounded and above average in most areas. I've seen the knock on Worpel's kicking as well. I would be very interested to see how we envisage picking up a KPF in this draft if our first pick is 11 or lower. I think we're going to have to be doing some canny trading to stengthen our position. St Kilda are laughing because they could possibly end up with two top 10 picks courtesy of the Hawks spudding it up this year (except when they play us of course).

Noah balta could be there at our second,a talented kpf too.there should be some good prospects there at our first

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[avishka5]

I can't comment on the footy side of things at Wesley but as a school it sounds pretty horrible. My brother in law has just left there. Typical teachers hands tied by entitled parents sort of BS. Whatever is happening there has gone far beyond boys just being boys.



Given how long we retained Ginners as depth and our propensity to lose player types in injury clusters (KPD, rucks) I think we would retain Hutchy until such time as we have better depth. He is the epitome of plug and play depth, but he could probably get a gig elsewhere if he isnt getting games with us.

Hutchy will probably get picked up as depth at another club but won't be a 22. I would keep him still on a list as you stated he is a plug and play. One thing that's me about Hutchings is his inability to rack up the footy. It really hurt us last year when we really lacked mids racking the footy.

 

[Falco]

Noah balta could be there at our second,a talented kpf too.there should be some good prospects there at our first

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I don't think the strike rate for pure Best 22 KPFs is good outside of the first round, obviously there are exceptions (Gov, Lynch, Hansen) but its a gamble (then again so is drafting). I would want to be able to get into the first round twice (optimistic I know) but I can't help but think our poor list turnover and inability to take chances with trading players has combined to negate our ability to access premium talent. For mine, this is something we need to fix.

 

[dajesmac]

Of the first 3 you mentioned Rayner is the best and should be gone before our first pick, worpel is a strong bodied inside mid,could play straight away but has kicking issues. Coleman Jones if he can be mainly a forward could be a good pick up,on the phantom draft boards there is a big difference in how he is viewed but the posters there

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Yeah I'm guessing two out of those three will probably go top ten.

As for Worpel I think we could do with another genuine grunt to develop in the background. After Priddis we have Redden (lol) and then Mutimer (decent but doesn't project super highly) as coal-face mids.

 

[Falco]

Yeah I'm guessing two out of those three will probably go top ten.

As for Worpel I think we could do with another genuine grunt to develop in the background. After Priddis we have Redden (lol) and then Mutimer (decent but doesn't project super highly) as coal-face mids.

Agreed but Worpel has flaws in his kicking that may detract us and other clubs. SPP was under the same cloud but showed (so far) that this hasnt been an issue for him. We may see the risk as worth taking.

Inside mids are a must for us, but high level ones at that. My two cents given what we know:

First round: KPF
Second round: Inside Mid
Third: Project ruck/KPP
Fourth: High Risk Mid/flanker
Rookies: Talented players who have flaws that could be ironed out in the AFL system, WAFL performers.

 

[boondy]

Agreed but Worpel has flaws in his kicking that may detract us and other clubs. SPP was under the same cloud but showed (so far) that this hasnt been an issue for him. We may see the risk as worth taking.

Inside mids are a must for us, but high level ones at that. My two cents given what we know:

First round: KPF
Second round: Inside Mid
Third: Project ruck/KPP
Fourth: High Risk Mid/flanker
Rookies: Talented players who have flaws that could be ironed out in the AFL system, WAFL performers.

With Duggan Sheed Partington inside mids are covered better than quick line breaking mids that can start there careers as a nimble forward .

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Definitely agree that we need to draft a key forward in the 1st round, unless we get really lucky with a later pick, especially with JK obviously getting older and some uncertainty with the young KPF's we have developing including with their lack of height. Another KPF will also allow Darling (or the younger prospects) to play as a 3rd tall instead.