2017 trade hypothetical thread

[Xhoquelin]

Dogs won't win a flag with Campbell at the helm and Goldstein could give English some pointers. English is probably trying to develop into a Goldy type ruck so learning from him for at least a couple of years isn't the worst idea.
I said Dale is worth a second rounder so him for Goldy seems fair IMO.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Dogs won't win a flag with Campbell at the helm and Goldstein could give English some pointers. English is probably trying to develop into a Goldy type ruck so learning from him for at least a couple of years isn't the worst idea.
I said Dale is worth a second rounder so him for Goldy seems fair IMO.

They could just keep Dale and hand over the 2nd rounder. You don't hand over competent depth players for the sake of it. At worst Dale is depth, and a premiership window side needs all the depth you can get. Premierships aren't won by the top 10-12 players. They are won by your bottom 15 and the more competent these players are the better.

Bulldogs would be better going after Leunberger from Essendon at half the price and keeping Dale...

 

[dazbroncos]

That's one way to put it. Almost fell off my chair....this the same Goldstein that has been dropped this week from a side coming 17th right? He's been awful this season. A club might trade for him but on form you are taking one massive punt at anything more than a second round (mid) selection...and I doubt Geelong really need him anyway. Half the reason your mids do well is your quick ruck men.

Given the fact we paid 28 I think it was a few years ago for HMAC, got about 8 games from him and he was younger than Goldy, and took him for 3 years..

We are massively gun shy on taking Goldy and paying more for him - or anything for him TBH. He could be good - too risky for us IMO.

GO Catters

 

[19thcrow]

If Lever was to leave and choose Collingwood would this trade be beneficial for both clubs?

Adelaide: De Goey and Sidebottom
Collingwood : Lever and ???

I understand Lever alone isn't enough to make it fair. Might not even be a trade either team would want either. What player from Adelaide( be realistic) or draft pick would even this out. Lever is worth more than both of De Goey and Sidebottom individually. What does Collingwood need to benefit them in a weak area?

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[Pea Nut]

If Lever was to leave and choose Collingwood would this trade be beneficial for both clubs?

Adelaide: De Goey and Sidebottom
Collingwood : Lever and ???

I understand Lever alone isn't enough to make it fair. Might not even be a trade either team would want either. What player from Adelaide( be realistic) or draft pick would even this out. Lever is worth more than both of De Goey and Sidebottom individually. What does Collingwood need to benefit them in a weak area?

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Collingwood fans will melt at that proposal.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Collingwood won't trade De Goey he's one of their few good decision makers.

 

[19thcrow]

Collingwood fans will melt at that proposal.

Most likely they would melt but it is just hypothetical. Would depend if they like De Goey more than their recruiters see pick 5 getting them. Crows would have to cough up something else on top of Lever.

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[anotherletdown]

I'll pass thanks. Why don't we just take their first and be done with it- IF and I mean IF Zac Jones wants to depart and frankly I haven't heard him want to yet.

Talia is steak knives to us but of some use to Melbourne and I expect Melbourne's pick to be a little better than it currently is.

As for Jones..... well what can I say. The silence is deafening

 

[adammania9]

If Lever was to leave and choose Collingwood would this trade be beneficial for both clubs?

Adelaide: De Goey and Sidebottom
Collingwood : Lever and ???

I understand Lever alone isn't enough to make it fair. Might not even be a trade either team would want either. What player from Adelaide( be realistic) or draft pick would even this out. Lever is worth more than both of De Goey and Sidebottom individually. What does Collingwood need to benefit them in a weak area?

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I mean, we have a lot of midfielders, but those aren't exactly the mids we're itching to kick off the list.

 

[19thcrow]

I mean, we have a lot of midfielders, but those aren't exactly the mids we're itching to kick off the list.

I wouldn't want to be asking for your fringe midfielders. Lever is a quality defender I'd be happy to breakeven on a trade with 2 for 2 benefiting each club. What players does Collingwood need that would be beneficial to pies. Also has to even the trade out too.

 

[adammania9]

I wouldn't want to be asking for your fringe midfielders. Lever is a quality defender I'd be happy to breakeven on a trade with 2 for 2 benefiting each club. What players does Collingwood need that would be beneficial to pies. Also has to even the trade out too.

I don't want Lever personally - Howe is our superstar intercept defender, and Lever is who we hope Scharenberg can emulate (unlikely but no use giving up yet). If he was a one-on-one key defender, I'd be for him but otherwise, we're good in that department. Although not a star nor a standard football player, we still have Langdon in that department too. I imagine the only reason we're so heavy on Lever is that perhaps Howe could be a forward with his contested marking? Otherwise it makes no sense to me.

 

[Apex36]

I wouldn't want to be asking for your fringe midfielders. Lever is a quality defender I'd be happy to breakeven on a trade with 2 for 2 benefiting each club. What players does Collingwood need that would be beneficial to pies. Also has to even the trade out too.

You'd have to throw in another quality player if you were after our vice captain and a midfielder who's fast becoming our best clearance player, who are both contracted.

 

[19thcrow]

I don't want Lever personally - Howe is our superstar intercept defender, and Lever is who we hope Scharenberg can emulate (unlikely but no use giving up yet). If he was a one-on-one key defender, I'd be for him but otherwise, we're good in that department. Although not a star nor a standard football player, we still have Langdon in that department too. I imagine the only reason we're so heavy on Lever is that perhaps Howe could be a forward with his contested marking? Otherwise it makes no sense to me.

Must be a need that your recruiting team see as a need more than you think. I wouldn't pick pies as a team with a high need for Lever either.

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[adammania9]

Must be a need that your recruiting team see as a need more than you think. I wouldn't pick pies as a team with a high need for Lever either.

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B: Howe, Dunn, Goldsack
HB: Crisp/Varcoe, Lever, Maynard

Looks like a very good back line but would have absolutely no improvement from 2017. Dunn the only consistent stopper (at 30, won't be around forever), and still no small defender so small forwards like Fantasia and Garlett will continue to kill us. Lever although a star would be an absolute nothing pick-up in my view. He's definitely not the solution to our many problems.

 

[19thcrow]

You'd have to throw in another quality player if you were after our vice captain and a midfielder who's fast becoming our best clearance player, who are both contracted.

Read back that was my original question. Who or what pick would need to be added. I just looked up and Sidebottom is contracted till 2021 so doubt he'll be traded. De Goey is out of contract next year so could be possible.

 

[adammania9]

Some thought JDG could potentially be trade bait this year but the failure to progress as a list means that 'now' has become the future and thus De Goey is one of our most important players to develop and keep. His last few games have been brilliant.

I think the Pies need to remain composed and not panic trade and established players. I want the club to take one step at a time.

 

[Big Bruce]

Not saying we will win, I actually think we won't make the gf but Gibbs won't be the reason.

Started really well looking good hope you do the cats and get a bit of a gap on the ladder from them. I think you should've payed the two 1st rounders for Gibbs but I would love to see you go the whole way.

 

[BomberDee]

Kyle Langford + 2nd rounder for Todd Goldstein.

Can't see him landing at Essendon. Richmond or Bulldogs would be a better fit for Goldstein!

 

[Burtman]

I wouldn't want to be asking for your fringe midfielders. Lever is a quality defender I'd be happy to breakeven on a trade with 2 for 2 benefiting each club. What players does Collingwood need that would be beneficial to pies. Also has to even the trade out too.

I think they would be very interested in McGovern, wether he'd be interested is another conversation. Even if they landed Reid I think he'd be very high on their list

 

[LeverPuller]

Right, based on the Russell Barwick rumour at https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/07/27/could-complex-deal-help-land-the-biggest-fish-of-all/

What we know:

Zak Jones to Melbourne
Kurt Tippett to the Bulldogs
Dusty Martin to Sydney
Unknown Sydney player to Collingwood

I'm going to assume the Sydney player is Sam Reid. Been linked all year plus his brother is at the Pies.

So, by received.

Melbourne receive Zak Jones
Western Bulldogs receive Kurt Tippett
Collingwood receive Sam Reid, Melbourne 1st round pick
Sydney receive Dustin Martin, Collingwood 2nd round pick, Western Bulldogs 3rd round pick
Richmond receive Collingwood 1st round pick, Sydney 1st round pick

Melbourne give up 1st round pick
Western Bulldogs give up 3rd round pick
Collingwood downgrade 1st round pick and give up 2nd round pick
Sydney give up 1st round pick, Kurt Tippett, Sam Reid and Zak Jones
Richmond give up Dusty Martin.

Not sure if there might be a Melbourne-Sydney pick swap in there. Thoughts?

 

[Zach Package]

Surely you could break that up into smaller deals. Dees give a first for Zak Jones is it's own deal. Pies getting Reid through FA is it's own deal. Doggies potentially looking at Tippett is it's own deal.

If the Swans are looking at putting together a package for Martin it doesn't have to be a massive 5 way deal. They've got all of their own picks, what they'll receive for Zak Jones and Kurt Tippett and a potential Reid compo pick.

 

[LeverPuller]

Surely you could break that up into smaller deals. Dees give a first for Zak Jones is it's own deal. Pies getting Reid through FA is it's own deal. Doggies potentially looking at Tippett is it's own deal.

If the Swans are looking at putting together a package for Martin it doesn't have to be a massive 5 way deal. They've got all of their own picks, what they'll receive for Zak Jones and Kurt Tippett and a potential Reid compo pick.

Given Reid is RFA Sydney can always force the trade. The question is whether the deal is going to be high enough to put together the currency to drag Martin off the Tigers who we are assuming will match almost any deal unless a trade is pre-arranged.

I think the Zak Jones element is linked in the sense of the first round pick - if it can pry loose the top 5 pick at Collingwood to send to Richmond they'll certainly offer it up.

I agree on the Tippett thing though, that's about cap room clearance.

So then:

Western Bulldogs receive Kurt Tippett
Sydney receive WB 2nd round pick

Melbourne receive Zak Jones
Sydney receive MFC 1st round pick

Collingwood receive Sam Reid, MFC 1st round pick
Sydney receive CFC 1st & 2nd round picks

Richmond receive CFC 1st, Sydney 1st round picks
Sydney receive Dustin Martin

 

[Prochard123]

Right, based on the Russell Barwick rumour at https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/07/27/could-complex-deal-help-land-the-biggest-fish-of-all/

What we know:

Zak Jones to Melbourne
Kurt Tippett to the Bulldogs
Dusty Martin to Sydney
Unknown Sydney player to Collingwood

I'm going to assume the Sydney player is Sam Reid. Been linked all year plus his brother is at the Pies.

So, by received.

Melbourne receive Zak Jones
Western Bulldogs receive Kurt Tippett
Collingwood receive Sam Reid, Melbourne 1st round pick
Sydney receive Dustin Martin, Collingwood 2nd round pick, Western Bulldogs 3rd round pick
Richmond receive Collingwood 1st round pick, Sydney 1st round pick

Melbourne give up 1st round pick
Western Bulldogs give up 3rd round pick
Collingwood downgrade 1st round pick and give up 2nd round pick
Sydney give up 1st round pick, Kurt Tippett, Sam Reid and Zak Jones
Richmond give up Dusty Martin.

Not sure if there might be a Melbourne-Sydney pick swap in there. Thoughts?

wtf? u do realise Reid is a FA? So are you saying we downgrade our 1st rounder for nothing?

 

[Topkent]

wtf? u do realise Reid is a FA? So are you saying we downgrade our 1st rounder for nothing?

Considering the crap you posted on the last page I wouldn't be questioning anyone.

 

[Topkent]

Personally I'd prefer the one elite player. Look what happened with Melbourne and Kelly. We still have ports 1st for another mid.

We got Tyson Salem and Hunt in that deal 3 best 22 midfielders vs 1