List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[SandyToes]

What pick did we get for Saad?

 

[Peel67skin]

What pick did we get for Saad?

Essendon second round .

 

[SandyToes]

Essendon second round .

That might be a trade in our favour at the end of the day

 

[OB11]

I know if Lynch left GC got money , but don't want to waste it on players having a few years left in their body . If he is Gibbs , Fyfe , or even Gov or Gaff type I agree paying over for him.

The only person of any quality to take our money was Ablett in 2010 - that's it. History says nobody of any quality is coming here until we get our act together.

If you can't land a 'big fish' (no pun intended Rocket) you need to work the fringes to get an edge. So far Witts and Lyons are successes on that front (although neither were best 22 entrenched players when we got them). Barlow and Rosa were past their best when we got them but we didn't have any other real options for getting experience.

The types of players you have listed are pipe dreams as they have other options to get the same money we would pay to either go home or go to more successful clubs.

The problem is if you don't spend the money you only get to carry a small percentage of that forward to future years, or we can just front load players contracts and then have them demand a trade for personal reasons and later tell us they wanted to leave to play finals.

 

[Stroppy]

Yep.
Got to dig in and try to get a bunch of draft/trade decisions right and build a team that can compete.

But I think it will take at least 2 more years. Look at the age profile of our list.

We have 1 quality player who turn 23 this year. (Martin)
We have 0 quality players who turn 24 this year.

Just don't see where the big improvement will come next year since we don't have the next wave of quality players moving into their prime years. There are only a handful of players who are guns at 22 and under and that is not something we can count on.

Our good players who are 25+ are mostly playing well already (Swallow, Lyons, May, Rory, Witts). Not sure Lynch will get a lot better until our midfield gets a lot better. Not sure Hall will be here. Need to see a fit Hanley first. Harbrow is OK but probably needs a better team to be more dangerous.

So, dig in, be patient, try to get as many draft/trade decisions right as possible, and hope that we get 6 or more high quality players out of the 22 and unders since we really really need more high quality players if we are ever to make finals.

Then, then, then, once we have a competitive youngish team pushing for finals, we can realistically try to get a gun from another team.

 

[OB11]

Yep.
Got to dig in and try to get a bunch of draft/trade decisions right and build a team that can compete.

But I think it will take at least 2 more years. Look at the age profile of our list.

We have 1 quality player who turn 23 this year. (Martin)
We have 0 quality players who turn 24 this year.

Just don't see where the big improvement will come next year since we don't have the next wave of quality players moving into their prime years. There are only a handful of players who are guns at 22 and under and that is not something we can count on.

Our good players who are 25+ are mostly playing well already (Swallow, Lyons, May, Rory, Witts). Not sure Lynch will get a lot better until our midfield gets a lot better. Not sure Hall will be here. Need to see a fit Hanley first. Harbrow is OK but probably needs a better team to be more dangerous.

So, dig in, be patient, try to get as many draft/trade decisions right as possible, and hope that we get 6 or more high quality players out of the 22 and unders since we really really need more high quality players if we are ever to make finals.

Then, then, then, once we have a competitive youngish team pushing for finals, we can realistically try to get a gun from another team.

Thank you - this is what I meant to say

We need to hit the draft and try to get in more quality, have the culture right so the kids want to grow together and the decent veterans we have buy in enough to support them until they are ready.

 

[OB11]

That might be a trade in our favour at the end of the day

The Essendon pick is looking good, especially if we get to use it before a bid for Bailey Scott comes in.

Get 3 top 25 kids in the supposed "super draft" before topping up with our academy players.

 

[Jirik13]

Yep.
Got to dig in and try to get a bunch of draft/trade decisions right and build a team that can compete.

But I think it will take at least 2 more years. Look at the age profile of our list.

We have 1 quality player who turn 23 this year. (Martin)
We have 0 quality players who turn 24 this year.

Just don't see where the big improvement will come next year since we don't have the next wave of quality players moving into their prime years. There are only a handful of players who are guns at 22 and under and that is not something we can count on.

Our good players who are 25+ are mostly playing well already (Swallow, Lyons, May, Rory, Witts). Not sure Lynch will get a lot better until our midfield gets a lot better. Not sure Hall will be here. Need to see a fit Hanley first. Harbrow is OK but probably needs a better team to be more dangerous.

So, dig in, be patient, try to get as many draft/trade decisions right as possible, and hope that we get 6 or more high quality players out of the 22 and unders since we really really need more high quality players if we are ever to make finals.

Then, then, then, once we have a competitive youngish team pushing for finals, we can realistically try to get a gun from another team.

I am more optimistic. I predict next year we will be pushing for finals unless Lynch, Fiorini and others don't sign.

To my amazement, if we had a regular schedule this year, we would probably had 4-5 Ws right now even with a pretty bad injury list. Besides players you mentioned and I know a lot of people disagree but I consider Sexton and Lemmens as quality players 24 years old. Sexton plays really well this year. Lemmens is probably our best pressure forward at the moment.

Next year 21-23 years old Fiorini, Bowes, Ainsworth, Macpherson, Joyce should start really produce as well as Ah Chee, Wright, Weller. Brodie and Scrimshaw, Spencer should also contribute significantly. Day with one year under belt after injury will be better too.

Ballard and Crossley look like real talents and will play more next year. Then you got Wigg (I still believe he could be a steal), Powell, Dawson, Heron, Jaska, Nutting. All could contribute next year and will be a good depth. We will draft some great 1st round talent.

One year under Dew will also make difference. Players will be familiar with plans, standards.

 

[JRyan23]

I am more optimistic. I predict next year we will be pushing for finals unless Lynch, Fiorini and others don't sign.

To my amazement, if we had a regular schedule this year, we would probably had 4-5 Ws right now even with a pretty bad injury list. Besides players you mentioned and I know a lot of people disagree but I consider Sexton and Lemmens as quality players 24 years old. Sexton plays really well this year. Lemmens is probably our best pressure forward at the moment.

Next year 21-23 years old Fiorini, Bowes, Ainsworth, Macpherson, Joyce should start really produce as well as Ah Chee, Wright, Weller. Brodie and Scrimshaw, Spencer should also contribute significantly. Day with one year under belt after injury will be better too.

Ballard and Crossley look like real talents and will play more next year. Then you got Wigg (I still believe he could be a steal), Powell, Dawson, Heron, Jaska, Nutting. All could contribute next year and will be a good depth. We will draft some great 1st round talent.

One year under Dew will also make difference. Players will be familiar with plans, standards.

exactly, next year and full gameplan will be in place as this year was getting the basics of hard contested football which we aren't known for into our game. Next year, gameplans, ball movement etc will be looked at and IMO will see us play finals next year

 

[17er]

I am more optimistic. I predict next year we will be pushing for finals unless Lynch, Fiorini and others don't sign.

To my amazement, if we had a regular schedule this year, we would probably had 4-5 Ws right now even with a pretty bad injury list. Besides players you mentioned and I know a lot of people disagree but I consider Sexton and Lemmens as quality players 24 years old. Sexton plays really well this year. Lemmens is probably our best pressure forward at the moment.

Next year 21-23 years old Fiorini, Bowes, Ainsworth, Macpherson, Joyce should start really produce as well as Ah Chee, Wright, Weller. Brodie and Scrimshaw, Spencer should also contribute significantly. Day with one year under belt after injury will be better too.

Ballard and Crossley look like real talents and will play more next year. Then you got Wigg (I still believe he could be a steal), Powell, Dawson, Heron, Jaska, Nutting. All could contribute next year and will be a good depth. We will draft some great 1st round talent.

One year under Dew will also make difference. Players will be familiar with plans, standards.

The problem our list managers will need to solve by the end of the year is which players to delist because we have a lot of talented potential without being able to say we have 35 players ready to compete for spots in 2019 AND make the Top 4. Instead, we have about 16 players who are automatic selections and there is a definite selection policy to play old hands with experimentals, while the next 5 up from NEAFL are inexperienced and the injury list is critical. This led to the blooding of Rookies, which took 7 rounds, a remarkable thing in and of itself, and there is the possibility that by year's end we'll have to play every single bloke on the list.

How do you judge who to delist based on that? It seems likely that Rischa and Rosa are gone, with Barlow also in the gun. Harbrow and Hanley ought to be safe, but maybe nobody is safe. Some trades might force our hand and you'd think Schoenfeld, Willis and Lonergan are potential goners. I cannot see any of Powell, Ballard, Crossley, Nutting, Jaska, Heron or Dawson being let go, nor MacPherson, Joyce or Spencer or the 2016 draftees. Kolodjashnij may never play footy again, so the question has to be whether to extend Young, Holman and/or Wigg.

Personally, I think this year's draft will be seen as one of our best because I think we will be drafting academy players late and they will be premium value. Look at Crossley, who at pick #52 was able to come in and affect a game, displaying innate abilities that had the crowd and commentators going off. He has played 14 NEAFL games and isn't 19 yet. Realistically, he should have been picked earlier in the Draft, but since the Suns would have countered anyway, the other 17 teams let him through to #52. Nutting a couple of picks later was a bonus because had Crossley been tapped in the 2nd round the Suns would have had to use later picks to get and possibly missed out on Ballard at #42 as well.

The 3 Academy players looking most likely are Bailey Scott, Caleb Graham and Dirk Koenen. Scott is likely to get tapped late in the 1st and it will cost us a 2nd to get him - I really don't think the Kangas or Cats can afford him in addition to the players they already have father/sons or Talent Academy noms high on their list. Apart from being massive jerks, what benefit does it give opponents to claim Graham or Koenen in the second when we are getting them in the third, just like with Crossley, who couldn't have done more for the Allies to promote himself and still only went third round. Once again, overrated Vic Metro and Vic Country players will dominate the first round and the brightest SA and WA guys will go 2nd round, leaving our Academy guys to be picked up late.

 

[OB11]

I am more optimistic. I predict next year we will be pushing for finals unless Lynch, Fiorini and others don't sign.

To my amazement, if we had a regular schedule this year, we would probably had 4-5 Ws right now even with a pretty bad injury list. Besides players you mentioned and I know a lot of people disagree but I consider Sexton and Lemmens as quality players 24 years old. Sexton plays really well this year. Lemmens is probably our best pressure forward at the moment.

Next year 21-23 years old Fiorini, Bowes, Ainsworth, Macpherson, Joyce should start really produce as well as Ah Chee, Wright, Weller. Brodie and Scrimshaw, Spencer should also contribute significantly. Day with one year under belt after injury will be better too.

Ballard and Crossley look like real talents and will play more next year. Then you got Wigg (I still believe he could be a steal), Powell, Dawson, Heron, Jaska, Nutting. All could contribute next year and will be a good depth. We will draft some great 1st round talent.

One year under Dew will also make difference. Players will be familiar with plans, standards.

Like a lot of what you said except your first 2 comments:

1. We've beaten the 2 bottom teams and Kangaroos, got close to a team around our mark, and been flogged by 3 teams that are better than us. The schedule has been kind to us;

2. Sexton and Lemmens - they don't meet my standard of quality players in that age bracket

 

[Jirik13]

The problem our list managers will need to solve by the end of the year is which players to delist because we have a lot of talented potential without being able to say we have 35 players ready to compete for spots in 2019 AND make the Top 4. Instead, we have about 16 players who are automatic selections and there is a definite selection policy to play old hands with experimentals, while the next 5 up from NEAFL are inexperienced and the injury list is critical. This led to the blooding of Rookies, which took 7 rounds, a remarkable thing in and of itself, and there is the possibility that by year's end we'll have to play every single bloke on the list.

How do you judge who to delist based on that? It seems likely that Rischa and Rosa are gone, with Barlow also in the gun. Harbrow and Hanley ought to be safe, but maybe nobody is safe. Some trades might force our hand and you'd think Schoenfeld, Willis and Lonergan are potential goners. I cannot see any of Powell, Ballard, Crossley, Nutting, Jaska, Heron or Dawson being let go, nor MacPherson, Joyce or Spencer or the 2016 draftees. Kolodjashnij may never play footy again, so the question has to be whether to extend Young, Holman and/or Wigg.

Personally, I think this year's draft will be seen as one of our best because I think we will be drafting academy players late and they will be premium value. Look at Crossley, who at pick #52 was able to come in and affect a game, displaying innate abilities that had the crowd and commentators going off. He has played 14 NEAFL games and isn't 19 yet. Realistically, he should have been picked earlier in the Draft, but since the Suns would have countered anyway, the other 17 teams let him through to #52. Nutting a couple of picks later was a bonus because had Crossley been tapped in the 2nd round the Suns would have had to use later picks to get and possibly missed out on Ballard at #42 as well.

The 3 Academy players looking most likely are Bailey Scott, Caleb Graham and Dirk Koenen. Scott is likely to get tapped late in the 1st and it will cost us a 2nd to get him - I really don't think the Kangas or Cats can afford him in addition to the players they already have father/sons or Talent Academy noms high on their list. Apart from being massive jerks, what benefit does it give opponents to claim Graham or Koenen in the second when we are getting them in the third, just like with Crossley, who couldn't have done more for the Allies to promote himself and still only went third round. Once again, overrated Vic Metro and Vic Country players will dominate the first round and the brightest SA and WA guys will go 2nd round, leaving our Academy guys to be picked up late.

At this stage I would say gone Rosa, Rischitelli, Barlow, Willis, Lonergan. It would not surprise me if Leslie would look for more opportunities. In 2 first round picks plus Graham, Koenen, possible Scott if he nominates us. At present, it looks like North will have to match possibly top 3 bid for Tarryn Thomas. I don't think Scott will go 1st round.

I am pretty sure Young is on multiple year contract as is most probably Wigg.

 

[Jirik13]

Like a lot of what you said except your first 2 comments:

1. We've beaten the 2 bottom teams and Kangaroos, got close to a team around our mark, and been flogged by 3 teams that are better than us. The schedule has been kind to us;

2. Sexton and Lemmens - they don't meet my standard of quality players in that age bracket

Freo plays like a crap on the road, pretty confident we would beat at home. WB game was very winnable until we run out of puff in the last quarter due to 7 games on the road.

Disagree on Sexton and Lemmens but that's ok.

 

[Peel67skin]

At this stage I would say gone Rosa, Rischitelli, Barlow, Willis, Lonergan. It would not surprise me if Leslie would look for more opportunities. In 2 first round picks plus Graham, Koenen, possible Scott if he nominates us. At present, it looks like North will have to match possibly top 3 bid for Tarryn Thomas. I don't think Scott will go 1st round.

I am pretty sure Young is on multiple year contract as is most probably Wigg.

I am not too worried about drafting , as GC really got currency by looking at here .
All the GC academy will go 4th to 5 Rd apart from Bailey Scott.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...-order-based-on-current-ladder.1179329/page-4

 

[NOBBYS]

Like a lot of what you said except your first 2 comments:

1. We've beaten the 2 bottom teams and Kangaroos, got close to a team around our mark, and been flogged by 3 teams that are better than us. The schedule has been kind to us;

2. Sexton and Lemmens - they don't meet my standard of quality players in that age bracket

Totally agree with both of your comments.
Sexton handy at best.
Lemmens a long long way from quality player(lets hope they prove us wrong)

 

[Peel67skin]

Like a lot of what you said except your first 2 comments:

1. We've beaten the 2 bottom teams and Kangaroos, got close to a team around our mark, and been flogged by 3 teams that are better than us. The schedule has been kind to us;

2. Sexton and Lemmens - they don't meet my standard of quality players in that age bracket

I disagree, both of them are equal quality to Thomas , just look at collingwood midfield treloar ,degoey , PED all quality compare to swallow and Lyons ( who is very good but lake a bit in kicking skill). GC need to fix midfield and not small forward .

 

[OB11]

I disagree, both of them are equal quality to Thomas , just look at collingwood midfield treloar ,degoey , PED all quality compare to swallow and Lyons ( who is very good but lake a bit in kicking skill). GC need to fix midfield and not small forward .

Don't know if I would even class Thomas as 'quality' by my set of standards but kicked 3.0 last night so has already done something Lemmens never has.

Sexton and Thomas could almost be in the same bracket - Thomas has better skills but Sexton has good athleticism and versatility.

As far as Thomas is concerned there is a reason he doesn't get a run in the midfield and it's because the Pies have huge depth through the midfield, Sexton and Lemmens don't have that excuse with the Suns midfield.

 

[GCStormie]

Given what we've seen to date
Id imagine that the list managers probably have
Macpherson, Willis, Lonergan Rosa, and Rischa in their sights. I dont think any of these guys have contracts beyond this year (personally think one of Rosa and Rischa will be retained)
Hall possible trade bait.
KK must be considering retiring on medical grounds at this point.

At the draft table focus has to be on forwards. would prefer to do it at the trade table but likely to run into the same issues as in previous years. We've seen this year that our forward line depth is. non existant.

Freo plays like a crap on the road, pretty confident we would beat at home. WB game was very winnable until we run out of puff in the last quarter due to 7 games on the road.

Disagree on Sexton and Lemmens but that's ok.

Freo are actually one of the best teams on the road in the league. on a % differential between home and away basis. excluding derbies.

you cant say that our last quarter was as a direct result of playing seven away games. you can speculate, but don't present it as fact.

 

[Peel67skin]

Don't know if I would even class Thomas as 'quality' by my set of standards but kicked 3.0 last night so has already done something Lemmens never has.

Sexton and Thomas could almost be in the same bracket - Thomas has better skills but Sexton has good athleticism and versatility.

As far as Thomas is concerned there is a reason he doesn't get a run in the midfield and it's because the Pies have huge depth through the midfield, Sexton and Lemmens don't have that excuse with the Suns midfield.

Pies already start negotiation with him so see what come out . I think better discuss something else , I am not in favour of it but will not be upset if GC get him either , IMO he is not an excitement machine .

 

[OB11]

Given what we've seen to date
Id imagine that the list managers probably have
Macpherson, Willis, Lonergan Rosa, and Rischa in their sights. I dont think any of these guys have contracts beyond this year (personally think one of Rosa and Rischa will be retained)
Hall possible trade bait.
KK must be considering retiring on medical grounds at this point.

At the draft table focus has to be on forwards. would prefer to do it at the trade table but likely to run into the same issues as in previous years. We've seen this year that our forward line depth is. non existant.


Freo are actually one of the best teams on the road in the league. on a % differential between home and away basis. excluding derbies.

you cant say that our last quarter was as a direct result of playing seven away games. you can speculate, but don't present it as fact.

They would have to be closer to delisting him than giving him the big deal that he is surely seeking at his age

 

[Jirik13]

Freo are actually one of the best teams on the road in the league. on a % differential between home and away basis. excluding derbies.

My mistake, I should probably be more specific. Did you watch Freo away games this year?

you cant say that our last quarter was as a direct result of playing seven away games. you can speculate, but don't present it as fact.

Yep, definitely my speculation but supported by reasonable facts. WB had extra day off, GC 7 games on the road. There was a clear drop off in performance, players looked spent. I doubt it's because GC is poorly trained.

 

[Peel67skin]

My mistake, I should probably be more specific. Did you watch Freo away games this year?



Yep, definitely my speculation but supported by reasonable facts. WB had extra day off, GC 7 games on the road. There was a clear drop off in performance, players looked spent. I doubt it's because GC is poorly trained.

I will reserve my comparison between Freo and GC until GC play Port and GWS and Tiger .

 

[SunsBhoy]

Yep, definitely my speculation but supported by reasonable facts. WB had extra day off, GC 7 games on the road. There was a clear drop off in performance, players looked spent. I doubt it's because GC is poorly trained.

We have won 1 last quarter for the season , you’d have to say fitness might be a issue.




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[Iva Bigun]

We have won 1 last quarter for the season , you’d have to say fitness might be a issue.



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It’s either fitness or desire, don’t under estimate that players in footballing states cop it in the media and on the street if they under perform, this may be the difference when it comes to getting to a contest in the last quarter when your body is screaming for you to stop.

 

[Peel67skin]