Opinion 2018 Non-Crows Discussion - Part 2: Tom Doedee, Rising Star Nominee & Port's New Major Sponsor

[Vader]

But do the bottom 2 teams usually start 0-7? I think Brisbane have been very unlucky. I can see their luck turning around and getting 4 wins. But Carlton have not been unlucky. I really hope that Brisbane and Carlton get their lucky wins over Melbourne

It happens.

• 2016 - Freo were 0-7 (finished with 3 wins)
  
• 2013 - GWS were 0-7 (finished with 1 win)
  
• 2012 - Melbourne & Gold Coast both 0-7 (finished with 4 & 3 wins respectively)
  
• 2011 - Brisbane were 0-6 after 7 rounds (finished with 4 wins)
  
• 2010 - Richmond were 0-7 (finished with 6 wins)

Richmond's finish to 2010 was remarkable, but Brisbane & Melbourne both won 4 games after being winless at R7. Freo & Gold Coast both managed 3 wins after starting 0-7. It can be done. Whether or not Carlton are capable of doing it is another matter entirely.

 

[Vader]

I think Brisbane will win a few games at the Gabba, Carlton on the other hand they potentially could go 0-22.

There is no Brisbane or GC in Victoria for them to get a default win against.

I am sure that they will most probably pinch a win from somewhere, but it is going to be hard for them because there's not going to be a game that they'll be going in as favourites for, for the rest of the year.

There may not be a Brisbane or GC in Victoria, but St Kilda are awfully close. Carlton do play Fremantle at Jihad Stadium. I suspect that's the closest they'll get to starting a game as favourites.

 

[arrowman]

These ads are all obviously super effective too because I couldn't name the company for the life of me.

It's subliminal, mate.

 

[Golumless]

But do the bottom 2 teams usually start 0-7? I think Brisbane have been very unlucky. I can see their luck turning around and getting 4 wins. But Carlton have not been unlucky. I really hope that Brisbane and Carlton get their lucky wins over Melbourne

They'll probably beat Essendon this week, seeing Essendon have just fallen apart.

 

[Shaz2012]

They'll probably beat Essendon this week, seeing Essendon have just fallen apart.

Probably. But I think Essendon will be a different side this week. Just finished an awful run of congested games. They are a bit of a flat track bully and I think they might have a massive game this week.

 

[MRB37]

Holy shit, the AFL have absolutely lost their minds suspending Naitanui for that tackle.

 

[Rabman]

Typical AFL, non-vic sides start doing well and they've got to peg them back with a farcical decision. Pathetic.

 

[Shaz2012]

Holy shit, the AFL have absolutely lost their minds suspending Naitanui for that tackle.

Wasnt it because the players head got driven into the ground. I thought that was the rule? Or do they have to have concussion? The issue for me will be when a Victorian club player does it and gets off with a fine. Which is guaranteed to happen. The double standards have just rolled on with the new system. No suspension for Hawkins. WTF.

 

[Vader]

Holy shit, the AFL have absolutely lost their minds suspending Naitanui for that tackle.

Even more amusing is the Hogan finding. Apparently Hogan is a freak of human anatomy, with a neck that extends all the way down to his sternum.

 

[Vader]

Wasnt it because the players head got driven into the ground. I thought that was the rule? Or do they have to have concussion? The issue for me will be when a Victorian club player does it and gets off with a fine. Which is guaranteed to happen. The double standards have just rolled on with the new system. No suspension for Hawkins. WTF.

What you talkin' about Willis?

Hawkins has been referred directly to the tribunal. He may or may not get a suspension, but we won't know until later tonight.

 

[Scorpus]

Holy shit, the AFL have absolutely lost their minds suspending Naitanui for that tackle.

Looks like an "in the back" tackle but nothing more to me

 

[MRB37]

Wasnt it because the players head got driven into the ground. I thought that was the rule? Or do they have to have concussion? The issue for me will be when a Victorian club player does it and gets off with a fine. Which is guaranteed to happen. The double standards have just rolled on with the new system. No suspension for Hawkins. WTF.

Doesn't look like his head hit the ground at all, he got a free against him, that should have been the end of it. Nic Nat didn't tackle him illegally, or throw him around at all, it's just an unfortunate difference in size at worst.

 

[footy4ever]

Probably one heart attack I’m pretty sure of to.

+1

 

[MRB37]

Even more amusing is the Hogan finding. Apparently Hogan is a freak of human anatomy, with a neck that extends all the way down to his sternum.

And then they said he didn't play up the contact either!

 

[Shaz2012]

What you talkin' about Willis?

Hawkins has been referred directly to the tribunal. He may or may not get a suspension, but we won't know until later tonight.

Oh. Ok, thought he had been cleared because I couldnt find any mention of it.

Doesn't look like his head hit the ground at all, he got a free against him, that should have been the end of it. Nic Nat didn't tackle him illegally, or throw him around at all, it's just an unfortunate difference in size at worst.

Looks like his head hits to me.

https://dwo3ckksxlb0v.cloudfront.ne...n5L_nc5vnPpMV1A_mbr_2000000_1525668624315.mp4

 

[MarcusP2]

Medium impact? Wtf.

 

[relapse]

I'm off the squiggle. If they got it right we'd have 4 flags by now.

Yeah the squiggle is a load of shit

It's funny how the AFC keep proving the squiggle wrong every year, yet people keep flocking back to it every year in the hope that it's right.

 

[MRB37]

Oh. Ok, thought he had been cleared because I couldnt find any mention of it.



Looks like his head hits to me.

https://dwo3ckksxlb0v.cloudfront.ne...n5L_nc5vnPpMV1A_mbr_2000000_1525668624315.mp4

Even if it does, it's from the force of a legal tackle. It's ludicrious, it's not a sling, he's just being hit by a bigger bloke. Nic Nat didn't do a damn thing wrong and it's just an overreacting tribunal throwing out suspensions because someone hit their head.

 

[relapse]

Even if it does, it's from the force of a legal tackle. It's ludicrious, it's not a sling, he's just being hit by a bigger bloke. Nic Nat didn't do a damn thing wrong and it's just an overreacting tribunal throwing out suspensions because someone hit their head.

how is it a legal tackle when it was paid as a free kick against him ?

It was a clumsy tackle IMO which ended up with the player being driven face first into the ground, to me it's either a fine or suspension depending on what side of the bed Michael Christian gets outside of that morning.

 

[arrowman]

Looks like his head hits to me.

Yes, a heavy duty tackle and his head is driven to the turf. Unnecessary / reckless - like a sling tackle? No. But - well, it was dangerous so I suppose it's worthy of a penalty. You could argue that it's just the size difference in the players that made it come out that way.

Edit: If Paddy Ryder did that to Rory Laird, let's be honest, we'd be melting.

 

[MRB37]

how is it a legal tackle when it was paid as a free kick against him ?

It was a clumsy tackle IMO which ended up with the player being driven face first into the ground, to me it's either a fine or suspension depending on what side of the bed Michael Christian gets outside of that morning.

Are you serious dude? That kind of thing happens multiple times a game, but we're gonna punish this one because Nic Nat is twice the size of the guy he's tackling?

 

[MarcusP2]

I don't see what NicNat could've done though. He sprinted, caught the much smaller man and pushed through him. Didn't pin the arms and in fact Amon is the one that turned toward the ground (Nic got him in the side).

Can see an ITB (or high from that image) but nothing more. Unless you don't want ruckmen to tackle smaller players or just bearhug them?

It actually reminded me of this.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Holy shit, the AFL have absolutely lost their minds suspending Naitanui for that tackle.

He was obviously trying to hurt him but I haven't seen a player suspended for that type of tackle before

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Oh. Ok, thought he had been cleared because I couldnt find any mention of it.

There were two Hawkins reports.

One just a fine. The other to the tribunal

 

[MRB37]

I don't see what NicNat could've done though. He sprinted, caught the much smaller man and pushed through him. Didn't pin the arms and in fact Amon is the one that turned toward the ground (Nic got him in the side).

Can see an ITB (or high from that image) but nothing more. Unless you don't want ruckmen to tackle smaller players or just bearhug them?

It actually reminded me of this.

CEY did something similar against Carlton this week.