List Mgmt. 2018 St Kilda Trade Thread Part 2

[VDS66]

No Gaff is not shit, Gaff is close to elite, Fyfe is elite. Mc Govern was not what we needed for the money but I'll take him before any of the others. They are in a different stratosphere to Lycett, broken Hanners and the Seed.

No, the majority were saying they didn't want Gaff because he was a seagull.

Quite a few didn't want to Pony up the cash for Fyfe with a few predicting he was cooked.

Kelly was only good because he was with GWS and would average if he was playing with us.

The list goes on...

Hilarious.

Same shit - different year.

Rinse and repeat next year.

 

[gringo2011]

Not what people on here were saying this time last year.

Gaff is a seagull, Fyfe will never be the same again lol. Same shit different year. Potting any potential trade of anyone because they will never be good enough.

I'm happy to get trades if they are worth the effort. If we lose a top 5 pick for players who are b grade or past their best, we are selling out the future.

We have gone from top shelf players to beer from the ashtray and instead of getting it free we will pay top dollar. I take back any inference of negativity about any player if we can get back to talking about superstars instead of GOPs.

 

[VDS66]

I'm happy to get trades if they are worth the effort. If we lose a top 5 pick for players who are b grade or past their best, we are selling out the future.

We have gone from top shelf players to beer from the ashtray and instead of getting it free we will pay top dollar. I take back any inference of negativity about any player if we can get back to talking about superstars instead of GOPs.

Or we just wait until the trades take place and then pass judgement. Less stressful IMO.

 

[Yawkey way]

I thought the coach's job was to build a game plan to suit the list?

Almost every time someone suggests we don't have the cattle for our game plan, the reply is that the coach needs to build his game plan around the players.

In the context of that’s what we have at present but surely he’s best placed to identify what the teams needs are and who is dispensable.

Who’s available and at what cost would need to be a collaborative approach. I can’t see a coach worth his salt waking in after the trade and draft period asking who did we pick up.

We pay our coaches very well and intrust them with the playing fortunes of the club. Whoever we choose we better choose wisely.

 

[lewdogs]

I don't know anything about Seedsman, but there was talk of him being AA squad worthy earlier in the year, so must be alright.

I'm a big fan of Hannebery.

 

[gringo2011]

No, the majority were saying they didn't want Gaff because he was a seagull.

Quite a few didn't want to Pony up the cash for Fyfe with a few predicting he was cooked.

Kelly was only good because he was with GWS and would average if he was playing with us.

The list goes on...

Hilarious.

Same shit - different year.

Rinse and repeat next year.

Rinse repeat but we have gone from superstars with people having a few little issues with them or price to going lets party because we are getting more B graders.

Seedsman is an okay player but he's not going to be in our best 4 or 5 players. Lycett is an okay ruck/ forward. Hanners is done. Sorry for not getting very excited.

 

[gringo2011]

Or we just wait until the trades take place and then pass judgement. Less stressful IMO.

It's a stressful time of year when our farmer takes our cow to market.

 

[Rors]

Adelaide received Seedsman and gave up pick No.32; Collingwood drafted him with pick 76

thats what adelaide paid for seedsman when he was 23 and approaching his prime mature window

so any idea that it would cost us a first rounder is utter madness especially for a bloke out of contract and hardly sought after. he has similar value to koby when we took him i reckon. its a cheap money ball pick up. so another money ball player sent to them, or a third round selection which would be early given our ladder position

lets be honest adelaide would take that

That would be good........ if we had a 3rd rounder

 

[Greg1853]

I would.

We wasted pick 18 on him. We should have just used pick 5

some things never get old

 

[Savage Kent]

If I were the saints I'd try and push for a straight swap Dunstan for Seedsman. Dunstan builds the crows' inside mid depth and a local boy. Crows might back themselves to get the best out of him. Meanwhile Seedsman addresses two of our needs; speed and good kicking.

 

[gringo2011]

If I were the saints I'd try and push for a straight swap Dunstan for Seedsman. Dunstan builds the crows' inside mid depth and a local boy. Crows might back themselves to get the best out of him. Meanwhile Seedsman addresses two of our needs; speed and good kicking.

I could live with that trade.

 

[St Neil]

something is up with this sydney hanneberry thing. sydney must be into someone up to their eye balls and want to restructure their cap to support that.

even weirder is how much john longmuire has been blind sided by this whole thing, even though, lethers called tom harley to get approval to speak to hanners.

Darcy Moore.

Plus Franklin’s contract is spiking.

Plus they have re-contracted a number of younger players.

Their cap will explode next year unless someone is removed from their books.

 

[Ducky Tie]

If I were the saints I'd try and push for a straight swap Dunstan for Seedsman. Dunstan builds the crows' inside mid depth and a local boy. Crows might back themselves to get the best out of him. Meanwhile Seedsman addresses two of our needs; speed and good kicking.

Do the crows need to strengthen their inside midfield depth? Crouch x 2, Sloane and Gibbs on ball. Plus CEY as depth. They’d probably take Dunstan but not for Seedsman.

 

[Yawkey way]

Yeah some of you guys are right, there's no point in trading anyone in because they're all shit.

Seedsman, Lycett, Hannebery, Gaff (last year), Fyfe (last year), McGovern, they're all spuds lol.

Just because some posters baulk at suggestions of two first rounders and change suggestions doesn’t mean they don’t want to see trades.

We didn’t get Fyfe or McGovern and apparently gaff won’t be joining us. So given that perhaps you could tell us what you think is a reasonable trade price for Hannebery and co and if you think their worth the effort.

Personally I haven’t heard of one suggested trade that would tempt me not to take our first pick to the draft. I do think we could use some of the players mentioned but not one is worth more than a second rounder at best imo.

 

[StCicatriz]

Good point you raise

Although I do think he has had a similar career trajectory to hickey. So theres a straight swap there although i dont think adelaide would want hickey. If Dunstan is included I think we'd want a late 2nd coming back especially given the age there and scope for improvement

Doesn't matter what they paid... it's what he's worth today.

 

[Rors]

Good point you raise

Although I do think he has had a similar career trajectory to hickey. So theres a straight swap there although i dont think adelaide would want hickey. If Dunstan is included I think we'd want a late 2nd coming back especially given the age there and scope for improvement

Straight swap Seedsman for Dunstan

Hannebery for end if 1st round PP (if we get one)

 

[VDS66]

Rinse repeat but we have gone from superstars with people having a few little issues with them or price to going lets party because we are getting more B graders.

Seedsman is an okay player but he's not going to be in our best 4 or 5 players. Lycett is an okay ruck/ forward. Hanners is done. Sorry for not getting very excited.

Who is partying?

Reality is all these players will be an upgrade on our current list cloggers.

Wright, Minch, Weller, Dave, Gilbo. All expendable.

No one is saying we should give away our best pick for any of them.

If they come at the right price, then I don't see the issue.

No one is expecting them to catapult us into top 4.

Give others a bit more credit.

We have identified a lack of talent at the senior level.

Let's fix it for the short to medium term.

We are complaining that we will never land a gun because we are shit.

Let's make us mid table so that we have a chance at attracting them.

Now if you think that the club isn't chasing better players then that's on you.

 

[VDS66]

Good point you raise

Although I do think he has had a similar career trajectory to hickey. So theres a straight swap there although i dont think adelaide would want hickey. If Dunstan is included I think we'd want a late 2nd coming back especially given the age there and scope for improvement

The only place your logic applies currently is the Perth real estate market...

 

[Diehard Saint]

Straight swap Seedsman for Dunstan

Hannebery for end if 1st round PP (if we get one)

You don’t think that’s a bit high considering we are taking on his huge contract?
Or do I just want everything for nothing?

 

[StCicatriz]

That's probably fair

Straight swap Seedsman for Dunstan

Hannebery for end if 1st round PP (if we get one)

 

[VDS66]

Their cap will explode next year unless someone is removed from their books.

Like this?

 

[gringo2011]

Who is partying?

Reality is all these players will be an upgrade on our current list cloggers.

Wright, Minch, Weller, Dave, Gilbo. All expendable.

No one is saying we should give away our best pick for any of them.

If they come at the right price, then I don't see the issue.

No one is expecting them to catapult us into top 4.

Give others a bit more credit.

We have identified a lack of talent at the senior level.

Let's fix it for the short to medium term.

We are complaining that we will never land a gun because we are shit.

Let's make us mid table so that we have a chance at attracting them.

Now if you think that the club isn't chasing better players then that's on you.

We need top end talent not spuds though.

 

[VDS66]

We need top end talent not spuds though.

we need both sadly.

Looks like we need to learn how to walk again before we can run.

 

[Diehard Saint]

We need top end talent not spuds though.

We’re not getting top end talent this year. Why would they come to us?

However, we have money to spend, so let’s spend it on guys who are better than what we currently have in order to help us improve incrementally....at which stage we will then be able to attract the bigger names hopefully.

 

[Therealsaint]

We’re not getting top end talent this year. Why would they come to us?

However, we have money to spend, so let’s spend it on guys who are better than what we currently have in order to help us improve incrementally....at which stage we will then be able to attract the bigger names hopefully.

Top end talent meaning our top 4 pick,we must not trade it or even trade down....