List Mgmt. 2018 St Kilda Trade Thread Part 2

[SaintWWodonga]

Absolutely.
I didn’t want to downgrade 7 and 8 last year, and I definitely do not want to use this pick for anything other than 3/4 this year.
Hence the reason we are chasing out of contract players and hopefully won’t have to pay too much for Hannebury.

Hopefully the club share this view

 

[mattymac]

Adelaide received Seedsman and gave up pick No.32...

... a third round selection which would be early given our ladder position

...lets be honest adelaide would take that

Let's be honest, you're smoking crack

 

[mattymac]

If I were the saints I'd try and push for a straight swap Dunstan for Seedsman. Dunstan builds the crows' inside mid depth and a local boy. Crows might back themselves to get the best out of him. Meanwhile Seedsman addresses two of our needs; speed and good kicking.

Why would we want another slow arse onballer when the whole game is going toward speed?

 

[mattymac]

Sure yeah but if they want our pick. Milera + picks.

You wouldn't get much change.

He was pick 11 as is and has had 3 years development put in and just beginning to pay off and impact games. There is no gamble like with taking a pick to the draft.

Unfortunately for this delightful hypothetical though, he's dreamed of playing for Adelaide his entire life and is happy as a pig in poo

 

[mightymalaka]

You wouldn't get much change.

He was pick 11 as is and has had 3 years development put in and just beginning to pay off and impact games. There is no gamble like with taking a pick to the draft.

Unfortunately for this delightful hypothetical though, he's dreamed of playing for Adelaide his entire life and is happy as a pig in poo

Speaking of pigs in poo
time you waddle off then hey!

 

[mattymac]

Speaking of pigs in poo
time you waddle off then hey!

yeah don't like to keep yo mama waiting

 

[StCicatriz]

Let's be honest, you're smoking crack

how cute!!!! they finally got the internets over there in adelaide, do you have to time share?

 

[mightymalaka]

Hilarious!
That SA wit is hard to top.
This should remind you of happy times back at home hey!

 

[Snailspace13]

I think there will be a couple of surprise outs this year, I dont know who, just a guess. Anyone feel the same or have any intel?

Suprise outs at St.Kilda would be our very best players.
I dont like your thinking.

 

[D2D3]

No Gaff is not shit, Gaff is close to elite, Fyfe is elite. Mc Govern was not what we needed for the money but I'll take him before any of the others. They are in a different stratosphere to Lycett, broken Hanners and the Seed.

Are Hannes, Lycett and Seedsman better than current players on our list?

If the answer is yes then we should be having a go at them.
What we shouldn't do is give up our first pick from this year or next for any of them.

 

[bird_man]

Would prefer milera over seedsman if we're dealing with the crows

I'd prefer a lot of players, but Milera isn't available

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[pebblesofsand]

Insomnia !!!!!!

Starting 22 Round 1 2019

B Rice Austin Webster

HB Seedsman Carlisle Roberton

C Coffield Steele Billings

HF Gresham Bruce Geary

F Membrey Marshall Lonie

Foll Lycett Hannebery Steven

Int Ross Clark Paton B Smith

OUT

GCS Package Gilbert, Weller, Armo (pick 42)

Traded Acres Dunstan Newnes Hickey Longer - Pick 20, 68 & 71 (WC), 19 (Ade), 32 (Haw), 35 (WC), 44 (GWS)

Draft Selections 4, 19, 20, 32, 35, 44, 58, 61, 65, 68, 71

Actual Draft
Pick 4 - (B Smith), 19, 20, 29 from Sydney for Picks 44, 58, 61, 65 Blakey points), (Pick 32 traded to Sydney - Hannebery), 35 , 42 - Hayden McLean,
68 - best available delisted senior player, 71 - Goddard)

 

[bird_man]

Insomnia !!!!!!

Starting 22 Round 1 2019

B Rice Austin Webster

HB Seedsman Carlisle Roberton

C Coffield Steele Billings

HF Gresham Bruce Geary

F Membrey Marshall Lonie

Foll Lycett Hannebery Steven

Int Ross Clark Paton B Smith

OUT

GCS Package Gilbert, Weller, Armo (pick 42)

Traded Acres Dunstan Newnes Hickey Longer - Pick 20, 68 & 71 (WC), 19 (Ade), 32 (Haw), 35 (WC), 44 (GWS)

Draft Selections 4, 19, 20, 32, 35, 44, 58, 61, 65, 68, 71

Actual Draft
Pick 4 - (B Smith), 19, 20, 29 from Sydney for Picks 44, 58, 61, 65 Blakey points), (Pick 32 traded to Sydney - Hannebery), 35 , 42 - Hayden McLean,
68 - best available delisted senior player, 71 - Goddard)

Who are you trading Acres to and what would be the return?

 

[pebblesofsand]

Who are you trading Acres to and what would be the return?

All trades listed in order and matched up with Indicative Draft Picks as of Round 20!!!

Acres to WC for 20, 68 & 71 = 18).

 

[Dr Spaceman]

All trades listed in order and matched up with Indicative Draft Picks as of Round 20!!!

Acres to WC for 20, 68 & 71 = 18).

So a ripple of insanity in a tide of insomnia?

 

[AFLOnline]

I'd rather Acres than anything other than a top 15 pick

 

[bungwahl]

Considering the terrible state of their salary cap and their need for a salary dump then they are also substantially overvaluing Hannebery.

If we walk away then they are stuffed.

From what I've heard the Swans actually have a bit of cap space available. Losing his salary wouldn't be so much a dump to get cap breathing room as it'd be clearing space for trade targets. Sydney are definitely keen to keep Hannebery.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Ok if we get hanneberry for nothing I'm not opposed we will be letting a few senior players go in the next year or two plus we already iirc have plenty of space in the cap. Let's be realistic though we are going to lose a first round or a second round pick, both could be better used on midfielders

Steven's probably has some time left in the midfield but even if you right he could be an effective forward for a few more years

Koby Stevens has retired ...

 

[Murraj1966]

Dunstan for the Seed

 

[The Punter]

Pick 4 for Seedsman and pick 7 is the draft points equivalent of about pick 42.

I wouldn't be worried though - he doesn't sound like someone who wants to leave Adelaide.

 

[Bonz]

I don’t get the Swans board. They’re convinced that they’ll get our first round pick for Hanneberry (many even believe so in a straight swap) yet only think they’ll get a second round pick, or even only a second round pick upgrade (to Gold Coast) for Lloyd.

Massively overrating one and underrating another.

LLyod is out of contract and would nearly be able to walk to Gold Coast for free in the pre-season draft, this affects his trade value. We also have players that can step into Llyod's role from defence, Mills, Jones, Florent and Allir (Once Melican is back in the side) can perform his role rebounding from defense.
Personally I think Llyod is worth a mid to late first round selection but due to his contract situation its unlikely we will get full value for him.

Hannebery is under contact for an additional 3 years, part of our leadership group and when fit is close to the most valuable player in our side simply due to we don't have many gut runners coming through our ranks (Florent probably being the closest player we have to potentially replacing him).
He is also expected to get over his current calf injury and should be able to perform a full preseason next year and as I am sure you all know when Hanners is fully fit he is a top 10 player in the competition.
I think Hannebery is worth somewhere from picks 8 to 12 due to his contract situation and his current value to our side. As St Kilda can't offer that I think the likely trade would be St Kilda's first round for Sydney's first round and Hannebery (In points value this is worth a selection from pick 15-18 and is somewhat closer to Hannebery's value).

To be honest I would rather Sydney keep Hannebery and not do this trade, I also struggle to see the value in St Kilda trading for him as they are unlikely to easily reach Sydney's valuation and Hannebery would only be valuable to your side for 3-4 years where you are unlikely to be in a premiership window (I hope I am wrong about this though).

Sydney's salary cap is no where near as dire as some agencies are reporting, this year alone we have Tippett (With only a small payment next year), Llyod (Highly likely), McVeigh (I imagine he will retire or move to a different club), Grundy and potentially Jack moving off our list, this should free up more than enough funds to disperse between the players on our list.

 

[The Enemy Within]

Pick 4 for Seedsman and pick 7 is the draft points equivalent of about pick 42.

I wouldn't be worried though - he doesn't sound like someone who wants to leave Adelaide.

He'll go if Adelaide don't give him a better deal & if Adelaide can get something they want in return it, seems odd he want's to stay yet the club haven't offered the extra year to him something not quiet right.

 

[The Punter]

Considering Hannebury is under contract long-term I think it's not going to happen unless each club is highly satisfied with the trade.

 

[The Enemy Within]

LLyod is out of contract and would nearly be able to walk to Gold Coast for free in the pre-season draft, this affects his trade value. We also have players that can step into Llyod's role from defence, Mills, Jones, Florent and Allir (Once Melican is back in the side) can perform his role rebounding from defense.
Personally I think Llyod is worth a mid to late first round selection but due to his contract situation its unlikely we will get full value for him.

Hannebery is under contact for an additional 3 years, part of our leadership group and when fit is close to the most valuable player in our side simply due to we don't have many gut runners coming through our ranks (Florent probably being the closest player we have to potentially replacing him).
He is also expected to get over his current calf injury and should be able to perform a full preseason next year and as I am sure you all know when Hanners is fully fit he is a top 10 player in the competition.
I think Hannebery is worth somewhere from picks 8 to 12 due to his contract situation and his current value to our side. As St Kilda can't offer that I think the likely trade would be St Kilda's first round for Sydney's first round and Hannebery (In points value this is worth a selection from pick 15-18 and is somewhat closer to Hannebery's value).

To be honest I would rather Sydney keep Hannebery and not do this trade, I also struggle to see the value in St Kilda trading for him as they are unlikely to easily reach Sydney's valuation and Hannebery would only be valuable to your side for 3-4 years where you are unlikely to be in a premiership window (I hope I am wrong about this though).

Sydney's salary cap is no where near as dire as some agencies are reporting, this year alone we have Tippett (With only a small payment next year), Llyod (Highly likely), McVeigh (I imagine he will retire or move to a different club), Grundy and potentially Jack moving off our list, this should free up more than enough funds to disperse between the players on our list.

Too many supports from ALL clubs over rate a players value it's human nature but in reality a player like Hannebery is only worth a mid 20's pick i think it's just stiff 5hit you signed him up on a long term deal & a lot of clubs get blind sided doing it so the only way to save face is to screw another club for an over the top draft pick.

 

[Bonz]

Too many supports from ALL clubs over rate a players value it's human nature but in reality a player like Hannebery is only worth a mid 20's pick i think it's just stiff 5hit you signed him up on a long term deal & a lot of clubs get blind sided doing it so the only way to save face is to screw another club for an over the top draft pick.

Each supporter base has their own opinions. Hannebery 100% won't be traded straight for pick 4 any supporters from the Swans who think that are just delusional, I think if the trade does go through it will involve a swap of first round selections (Which I doubt either set of supporters would be happy with).

As I stated before Sydney actually don't have any issues with the salary cap at the moment, so it is highly unlikely they won't accept a trade they don't perceive as value for Hannebery.

St Kilda also don't have any selections they would equate to fair value for Hannebery right now.

Personally I doubt this trade will be made (I would much rather keep Hanners for the length of his contract, especially if we are going to be in contention over the next few years).