2018 Trade and FA thread (opposition supporters post in Trade Hypotheticals thread)

[trikster]

Our midfield needs to be our number 1 priority

Agree completely ... but Jack Lukosius alongside Hipwood gives me a woody

 

[lionshine]

I appreciate your opinion, however Hipps needs support, I acknowledge that .A more seasoned performer down there would be of tremendous benefit for the young hipps. i like Lynch a lot and what he could offer in terms of guidance and support ( big brother role,mentor ) to the still very young Hipps. Now Briztoon stated he is waivering in his man love for Rankine, for a forward. To Brizton ,the club is like a young kid at christmas wanting everything ( to use a metaphor). We still need a lot more ,i would rather pick my fights this draft focus again being on midfield talent Rankine and Hill . Skill and pace in the midfield to deliver great service to our forwards is from what i have seen absolutely high priority for us right now. Lynch correct me if i am wrong is a FA. If corrcet great. Wines age bracket ,inside mid aggression no brainer for me. Great age for luggs ,berry etc. has another role model to the younge ones written all over it along with Beams of course. The more role models we can fit into this side the better. Sorry Bell ,basti ,and others i have mentioned before ,your salary is going to be used to bring in far better talent.

You raise an interesting point regarding Ian Hill. Our biggest need is probably a big inside, contested ball winning machine e.g. Cripps/Oliver, however, we could also desperately use a super quick and agile winger with elite disposal such as Ian Hill. A real game breaker type who can break the lines and deliver the footy lace out to our forwards. Best available mid should be the priority.

 

[Nunez]

You raise an interesting point regarding Ian Hill. Our biggest need is probably a big inside, contested ball winning machine e.g. Cripps/Oliver, however, we could also desperately use a super quick and agile winger with elite disposal such as Ian Hill. A real game breaker type who can break the lines and deliver the footy lace out to our forwards. Best available mid should be the priority.

If only we traded in a super quick, agile player who can break lines.

 

[lionshine]

If only we traded in a super quick, agile player who can break lines.

Yeah I know we've added Charlie Cameron but he's not exactly your pure wing type player who can rack up 30 possessions and use it well. His biggest strength is his speed and defensive pressure/tackling.

 

[Nunez]

Yeah I know we've added Charlie Cameron but he's not exactly your pure wing type player who can rack up 30 possessions and use it well. His biggest strength is his speed and defensive pressure/tackling.

Is still quite young and could easilt become a 20 possession type wingman. Not convinced a winger needs 30+.

 

[a mayes ing]

Wines and Lynch are definitely out of reach you'd think. Not sure Lynch would be on our radar anyway. If we are going to pay a premium for a player it'd have to be for a gun mid I reckon. We'll no doubt make enquiries to Wines management as will most clubs but I expect him to either re-sign with Port or move back home to Vic.

This year is an interesting free agent/OOC class though. I think we could really use another mature aged midfielder to compliment Beams/Zorko who will consistently week to week win the footy and contribute. Luke Dahlhaus, Mitch Wallis and Tom Liberatore are all free agents and there is some talk among Dogs fans that Dahlhaus could be squeezed out with Wallis/Libba the priorities. I think Dahlhaus would be a very handy addition and wouldn't cost anything at the trade table. Cam Guthrie is another free agent that we could chase if we want to add another experienced midfielder without giving up anything but cap space. Likely to stay at the Cats though you'd think.

In terms of out of contract players that are non free agents one that interests me greatly is Rory Laird from the Crows. AA last season due to the fact that he just racks up the footy and uses it so well. Averaged 30 disposals per game at 85% efficiency last season. Would fit in very well with the kind of game plan Fagan is attempting to implement I think. Would be hard to entice to the club but I don't think the Crows would be able to match an offer in the 800k per year range over say 5 years. Sounds like a lot for a player like Laird but with the increased cap if we can front load it I wouldn't be against it. We need as many A grade players as we can get and he's still relatively young.

Lastly I really do think we need another gun mid to take the pressure off Beams/Zorko and try and accelerate the rebuild because I think it'd be a shame if we didn't start to play finals footy whilst Beams and Zorko are still playing the quality of footy they are producing currently. The only issue is it isn't easy to do obviously. Wines would be an obvious target and has already been discussed in this thread but if we are going to throw a huge contract at someone, a player who I think would compliment our current midfield mix perfectly with his elite inside/outside game is Lachie Neale. Not OOC until the end of next year and would be extremely difficult to pry loose from the Dockers but would be such a great addition. A gun, contested ball winning mid and still has 8 or so years of quality footy left in him. We'd have to offer overs money wise to try get him and he would cost a fair bit at the trade table.

I think a lot of posters on here would be reluctant to trade away our 1st rounder this year considering it is reportedly a strong draft and we still need to continue to add top draft picks as well. The right blend is probably to target free agents such as Dahlhaus and Guthrie and take our draft picks to the draft.

Never gonna get Neale. Freo will ask for 2 arms and a leg. They asked pick 2 for Weller who still had a year on his contract so l can't imagine what they would ask for Neale.

 

[lionshine]

Never gonna get Neale. Freo will ask for 2 arms and a leg. They asked pick 2 for Weller who still had a year on his contract so l can't imagine what they would ask for Neale.

Yep definitely a long shot I won't dispute that.

 

[lionshine]

Is still quite young and could easilt become a 20 possession type wingman. Not convinced a winger needs 30+.

If you have a pacey wing man with elite disposal getting 25-30 possessions a game you're going to be a much better side for it. As I said though probably not our greatest need with a contested possession winning midfielder of greater priority. It does make me really wish we selected Clayton Oliver over Schache back in the 2015 draft. Oliver was a Lions supporter as well. A starting midfield of Martin, Beams, Zorko and Oliver would be fantastic to watch. Ah well we'll have to find our own Oliver in this years draft. Or perhaps we already have him(Berry)?

 

[Nunez]

If you have a pacey wing man with elite disposal getting 25-30 possessions a game you're going to be a much better side for it. As I said though probably not our greatest need with a contested possession winning midfielder of greater priority. It does make me really wish we selected Clayton Oliver over Schache back in the 2015 draft. Oliver was a Lions supporter as well. A starting midfield of Martin, Beams, Zorko and Oliver would be fantastic to watch. Ah well we'll have to find our own Oliver in this years draft. Or perhaps we already have him(Berry)?

If you have a player of any position with those traits you're going to be a much better side for it.

 

[BuntonRules]

Let's rename this thread Bulls&&t trade hypotheticals and be done with it.

I reckon we should go after Dangerfield, Ablett and Selwood.

 

[bungalow_bill]

If you have a pacey wing man with elite disposal getting 25-30 possessions a game you're going to be a much better side for it. As I said though probably not our greatest need with a contested possession winning midfielder of greater priority. It does make me really wish we selected Clayton Oliver over Schache back in the 2015 draft. Oliver was a Lions supporter as well. A starting midfield of Martin, Beams, Zorko and Oliver would be fantastic to watch. Ah well we'll have to find our own Oliver in this years draft. Or perhaps we already have him(Berry)?

Rayner may eventually be that CP winning mid field beast.

 

[Nunez]

Rayner may eventually be that CP winning mid field beast.

Agreed. You could see glimpses on the weekend.

 

[a mayes ing]

Rayner may eventually be that CP winning mid field beast.

Impressive isn't he. Really doesn't hold back, absolutly plowed into Day.

 

[Lionsrbest2]

If only we traded in a super quick, agile player who can break lines.

One player ,does not cut it for me . Easy to shut down. If we rely on one , we become one dimensional. I advocate multiple use of weapons. Exactly what Nunan wanted at Fitzroy. Not only multiple midfield weapons but ones that can rotate thru various positions.Versatility and elite kicking abilites.Variety is the spice of life as they say but to the lions a deadly combination. shock and awe. Exciting football.

 

[Lionsrbest2]

Agree completely ... but Jack Lukosius alongside Hipwood gives me a woody

You can have the best talented forward line in the afl but if you can’t get the ball to them what use r they.
Elite kicking midfielders consistently hitting their targets by foot. The icing on the cake the forwards finishing the hard work done in the midfield by kicking those sausage rolls thru the hey diddle diddle.introduce rankine and hill

 

[Lionsrbest2]

Rayner may eventually be that CP winning mid field beast.

Love Rayner. i really have high hopes for him. All we need and i have said this before is 3 lionesses dressed up as the weather girls signing its Rayner goals hallelujah its rayner goals. With our 3rd or 4th pick if possible depending on his perforamce .i am going to mention Michael Mummmery Nightcliff NT as a possible target. Love his kicking back 2016 was ill i believe for all of 2017. Member of Afl academy 2018 squad.

 

[Lionsrbest2]

You raise an interesting point regarding Ian Hill. Our biggest need is probably a big inside, contested ball winning machine e.g. Cripps/Oliver, however, we could also desperately use a super quick and agile winger with elite disposal such as Ian Hill. A real game breaker type who can break the lines and deliver the footy lace out to our forwards. Best available mid should be the priority.

Spot on we need a few. Delivery into the forward absolutely agree should be lace out.give them a chance. A weak point for us I personally believe. Needs addressing asap

 

[lionshine]

Rayner may eventually be that CP winning mid field beast.

Yeah I have no doubt he is going to become a very good player for us. If he becomes a full time mid he'll be a very dangerous forward when resting up there as well

 

[spotthedog1]

Darcy Fogarty's game on the weekend further highlighted this for me and not to say I'm upset about Cameron coming to the club but he should have sat at pick 18.

Yep. Same. Much as I'm trying not to, watching Fogarty is becoming an 'if only', and watching Cameron, every time he butchers the ball it's becoming a 'seriously, we payed pick 12 for that?'. Trying not to focus on what we paid, and watch him with a more positive viewpoint, but struggling. Doesn't help that no matter how good his pace and defensive pressure are, he kicking skills are reminding me more and more of Sam Sheldon.

 

[lionshine]

Yep. Same. Much as I'm trying not to, watching Fogarty is becoming an 'if only', and watching Cameron, every time he butchers the ball it's becoming a 'seriously, we payed pick 12 for that?'. Trying not to focus on what we paid, and watch him with a more positive viewpoint, but struggling. Doesn't help that no matter how good his pace and defensive pressure are, he kicking skills are reminding me more and more of Sam Sheldon.

Worth keeping in mind(If nothing else for the sake of your own sanity) that there were strong rumours surrounding Darcy Fogarty being a flight risk. The fact that he slipped to pick 12 and was snapped up by Adelaide could be seen as evidence of this. At least we have a long term commitment/buy in from Charlie Cameron and let's wait at least until Charlie plays 8-10 games in the home and away season before forming an opinion on what we paid for him. At the end of the day our side really lacked a player like him and we'll all be ecstatic when he kicks his first bag of 5 at the Gabba. The defensive pressure he'll apply will be so beneficial for our side.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Worth keeping in mind(If nothing else for the sake of your own sanity) that there were strong rumours surrounding Darcy Fogarty being a flight risk. The fact that he slipped to pick 12 and was snapped up by Adelaide could be seen as evidence of this. At least we have a long term commitment/buy in from Charlie Cameron and let's wait at least until Charlie plays 8-10 games in the home and away season before forming an opinion on what we paid for him. At the end of the day our side really lacked a player like him and we'll all be ecstatic when he kicks his first bag of 5 at the Gabba. The defensive pressure he'll apply will be so beneficial for our side.

Yeah could have drafted Fogarty developed him for two years and then traded him to Port/Crows for a second round pick. Gc did the same with Weller but coughed up pick 2

 

[Kevvo]

I'm definitely more comfortable with the Cameron trade than most others. I reckon he has the scope to create a fundamentally new source of scoring for us.

In both games so far we've been able to kick to space and allow him a race against defenders. For a team that is not historically great at picking targets in congestion, that's a brilliant relief valve to have. In each of those situations (unless I'm misremembering) he either won the ball or kept his feet and forced a pressure situation or stoppage. On a dry deck, some of those chases will turn into goals. Even where they don't, that allows us to set up our defensive structure to lock the ball in 50, which we've been doing well.

Yes it'd be better if his kicking returned to 2016 levels, where I reckon he was using the ball effectively if not damagingly. That said, I reckon he's a fairly low-risk recruit (he brings speed and pressure at minimum and has been fairly durable so far in his career) with substantial upside. I don't think 12 is huge overs for that.

 

[dlanod]

In both games so far we've been able to kick to space and allow him a race against defenders. For a team that is not historically great at picking targets in congestion, that's a brilliant relief valve to have. In each of those situations (unless I'm misremembering) he either won the ball or kept his feet and forced a pressure situation or stoppage.

I was spewing about the kick to a 2 on 1 - "same old dumb play". Charlie turned a kick to his disadvantage into a great situation.

 

[Dalions]

I was spewing about the kick to a 2 on 1 - "same old dumb play". Charlie turned a kick to his disadvantage into a great situation.

If the boys further up the field can learn to kick the ball to his advantage.
Then, well..... Happy days!

 

[Davemonkey]

How's that "placeholder" status going for you dlanod ?