2018- What Went Wrong

[n4nirvana]

Nothing went wrong

It was just Regression to the mean

This is the level Port is at, a team that will miss 3 of the last 4 finals.

The same team that has been identified as close to their premiership window INTERNALLY as per the moves made by the club?????

Absolutely bizarre

if Missing 3 of the last 4 finals isn't enough of a reality check - then A BIG ONE needs to happen to turn the club around.

OTHERWISE ITS PURGATORY BABY!

IF THE BOARD/COACHES ET ALL CAN'T ID THIS --> CLUB IS SCREWED FOR THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE

And yea Sorry no injury excuses
I mean the Pies entire back 6 is out with injury and their injury list is longer than ours and yet they smacked us silly

 

[MotlopRules]

2. Brendon Lade: I’m of the opinion that Keith Thomas is so apologetic when it comes to Ken because getting Lade was his idea. Then Richmond wins the flag, and will probably win another this year, based on forward pressure...which is what we were focused on in 2016. When you’ve got someone who doesn’t believe in the system, it creates a disconnect that becomes evident on the field. Our inability to score from repeat inside 50 entries rests solely with his inability to create any sort of system that creates separation for our forwards. Richmond had the same issue until he left and Hardwick could focus on full ground pressure like he wanted to. For everyone who wants to raise money to pay out Hinkley, maybe save some money and pay out Lade instead, because it will be ******* cheaper. As worse an appointment to the coaching panel as Matthew Primus was to head coach.

One of the rare times I absolutely agree with you. This guy is a massive dud and everything about his appointment pisses me off, yet the Sack Lade thread has been allowed to sink onto the second page of this board with nary a whimper. Why? It's going to be momentously easier to void his contract than it is to do anything about Hinkley, and as far as I can see he hasn't met a single KPI which suggests he's any good at his job.

I've decided to set "competent forward coach" as my gauge for the off-season. It is the absolute minimum the club can do to acknowledge the cluster**** of a failure our forward line currently is. If we go into 2019 with Lade still "coaching" there, I think I'll have to take up a hobby on the weekends, because following Port will be unbearable.

 

[LP7_]

 

[OneGreatClub]

If Lade had stayed at Richmond perhaps our neighbours would have their third Premiership last year.
Let that sink in.
Our black ops paid off.

Just kidding

 

[JUSTWORK]

Well it all started with giving Ken Hinkley a contract extension and just to add salt to the wound, Voss was given one mid way through this year.

 

[klem22]

Well it all started with giving Ken Hinkley a contract extension and just to add salt to the wound, Voss was given one mid way through this year.

This Sir is depressing!

 

[malcheski]

Is it possible to find out where St Kilda 2009 - 10, and Freo 2013 would sit on this graph, for reference to our own predicament?

Ross Lyon coached teams were both more defensive AND more attacking

 

[nadsee]

 

[Pappagallo]

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Ross Lyon coached teams were both more defensive AND more attacking

Jeeze you’d cut yourself over 2009 if you were a Saints supporter.

 

[Pommie power]

I’ll throw my 10 cents in. I’m gonna base this on the way I felt at the games this year. I traveled over to see the blues game and Freo game, as well most of the home games.
Not once did I enjoy it,I just had a feeling of dread and foreboding almost every game.
It felt like we where playing with fire every game right on the edge of winning and losing constantly.
It’s like every game came down to one or two moments of luck or a poor set shot or bad umpiring.
I could feel it from the start of the year. We are not a lucky team... we don’t get the controversial decisions to go for us. We don’t nail goals even from easy set shots.
We played a style that set us up for failure. Some teams can get away with it. Eagles, Hawks, cats etc
I can understand why hinkey went down this path lots of big inside body’s hold the ball up most of the game heavy defence focus and hope the magic of Dixon and gray and kick us enough to get through.
Maybe it could have worked. Dixon had a shocker of a year, marshal couldn’t cop a break and paddy went down.
Our depth was badly exposed in kpp and not hitting the draft in Ryder and Dixon years is showing how absolutely we need to start hitting the draft hard again.

 

[Tibbs]

Well we now have Lade's take on the 2018 debacle:

The Power have lost five of their past six games after sitting comfortably at 11-4 after 16 rounds. "We're doing a lot of things right, we're just a little bit inconsistent in making it to four quarters," Lade said. "Maybe we haven't jelled as a team. The inconsistencies in our performance probably show that and that's something we've got to work on."

You reckon? These idiot coaches just dont get it!!!

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-20/power-not-giving-up-on-a-finals-miracle

 

[MrMeaner]

If you haven't jelled as a team by round 23, that's not the players' fault.

 

[DaTBird187]

Well we now have Lade's take on the 2018 debacle:

The Power have lost five of their past six games after sitting comfortably at 11-4 after 16 rounds. "We're doing a lot of things right, we're just a little bit inconsistent in making it to four quarters," Lade said. "Maybe we haven't jelled as a team. The inconsistencies in our performance probably show that and that's something we've got to work on."

You reckon? These idiot coaches just dont get it!!!

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-20/power-not-giving-up-on-a-finals-miracle

So Port, you're sitting pretty at 11 and 4. But your season will come down to Gold Coast having to beat Geelong at Kardinia Park, just to make the 8.

Wait........

Oh OK

**** you Port Adelaide.....**** you right in the face.

 

[stewie griffen]

Look theres some fingers to point.

Rockliff was in no way shape or form fit. We rushed him back too soon without a pre-season and its shown.
Our lack of willingness to play a second ruck, yes Frampton might not have been ready, but not having a viable option is just poor list management

For our upper level players

Wingard did absolutely nothing for the best part of 13 weeks
SPP has shown some second year blues
Trav has been serviceable as a high half forward (is serviceable enough for your captain tho)
Ebert has had ups and downs
Robbie has been hit and miss (but how much of that is where he is played)

Now for the easy stuff

Broadbent is cooked
Neade is just depth, nothing more. Similarly Sam Gray had a good year 2 years ago, thats it.
Ollie has had a poor finish post signing the new deal
Pittard is like a rabbit in headlights, as is Bonner
Hombsch has regressed
McKenzie was a waste of a pickup
Motlop has played about 130 minutes of good football for the year, and 75% of those were on the weekend
Toumpas and Trengove - nice sentiment but both are in the too good for SANFL, not good enough for AFL category
Amon/Bonner. Brilliant one second, terrible the next 20 minutes

In the wins column... or more the i dont really blame them column

Clurey has shown some improvement
DBJ has turned into a decent player
Polec has really elevated his game
Marshall had an interrupted year
Dougal has been solid
Tom Jonas has been sensational (apart from last week, sticking him on JDG wasnt the right match up at all)
Westhoff has had a great year
Farrell has shown some things
Hammer was going great until the injury
Lienert has shown something

The rest.... to a large extent i put down to gameplan and coaching.
Our forward play is diabolical. Our disposal into forward 50 is terrible, and all too often we play with too many smalls who dont or cant impact the game.
Thats the main reason i'm hesitant to judge Watts or Dixon too harshly. Hell even Jarman Impey has looked decent in another coaching structure.
Now thats everything from forward coaches, midfield coaches, head coach and defensive. Yes our defensive numbers are great but all too often we flood back and look to counter. Keeping teams to low scores is great but if you arent scoring yourself then it doesnt really matter.

Honestly though, i think we over rate our talent. Our A graders are Robbie, Dixon, Ryder and i'd almost have Jonas there. Under that though... we dont really compare favourably with other teams, especially in midfield depth.

tldr/we need to review the whole football department and our talent just isnt that good

 

[Capital Power]

Well we now have Lade's take on the 2018 debacle:

The Power have lost five of their past six games after sitting comfortably at 11-4 after 16 rounds. "We're doing a lot of things right, we're just a little bit inconsistent in making it to four quarters," Lade said. "Maybe we haven't jelled as a team. The inconsistencies in our performance probably show that and that's something we've got to work on."

You reckon? These idiot coaches just dont get it!!!

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-20/power-not-giving-up-on-a-finals-miracle

That's just it. Performances aren't inconsistent, they are depressingly consistent. We haven't played "well" for a couple of months. Without wanting to be a doomsayer, it's hard to come up with a list of a lot of things that are going right. Yeah, OK some of the issues, like injuries, are outside the coaches' control, but geez this is just another "nothing to do with us" interview.

I'd just like someone at the Club, anyone, to stand up and take some responsibility and communicate their plan to improve.

 

[Us against the rest]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/08...has-been-the-most-disappointing-side-of-2018/

Why Port Adelaide has been "the most disappointing side" of 2018

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Look theres some fingers to point.

Rockliff was in no way shape or form fit. We rushed him back too soon without a pre-season and its shown.
Our lack of willingness to play a second ruck, yes Frampton might not have been ready, but not having a viable option is just poor list management

For our upper level players

Wingard did absolutely nothing for the best part of 13 weeks
SPP has shown some second year blues
Trav has been serviceable as a high half forward (is serviceable enough for your captain tho)
Ebert has had ups and downs
Robbie has been hit and miss (but how much of that is where he is played)

Now for the easy stuff

Broadbent is cooked
Neade is just depth, nothing more. Similarly Sam Gray had a good year 2 years ago, thats it.
Ollie has had a poor finish post signing the new deal
Pittard is like a rabbit in headlights, as is Bonner
Hombsch has regressed
McKenzie was a waste of a pickup
Motlop has played about 130 minutes of good football for the year, and 75% of those were on the weekend
Toumpas and Trengove - nice sentiment but both are in the too good for SANFL, not good enough for AFL category
Amon/Bonner. Brilliant one second, terrible the next 20 minutes

In the wins column... or more the i dont really blame them column

Clurey has shown some improvement
DBJ has turned into a decent player
Polec has really elevated his game
Marshall had an interrupted year
Dougal has been solid
Tom Jonas has been sensational (apart from last week, sticking him on JDG wasnt the right match up at all)
Westhoff has had a great year
Farrell has shown some things
Hammer was going great until the injury
Lienert has shown something

The rest.... to a large extent i put down to gameplan and coaching.
Our forward play is diabolical. Our disposal into forward 50 is terrible, and all too often we play with too many smalls who dont or cant impact the game.
Thats the main reason i'm hesitant to judge Watts or Dixon too harshly. Hell even Jarman Impey has looked decent in another coaching structure.
Now thats everything from forward coaches, midfield coaches, head coach and defensive. Yes our defensive numbers are great but all too often we flood back and look to counter. Keeping teams to low scores is great but if you arent scoring yourself then it doesnt really matter.

Honestly though, i think we over rate our talent. Our A graders are Robbie, Dixon, Ryder and i'd almost have Jonas there. Under that though... we dont really compare favourably with other teams, especially in midfield depth.

tldr/we need to review the whole football department and our talent just isnt that good

Agree with a lot of this post but you are being way too harsh on Bonner. He was pick 37 and is only in his third season yet played 19 games (up from 3 last year and 1 the year before).

Should he have been rotated out more? Yeah probably. But he still has a lot of potential and plenty of upside (that we will almost definitely completely waste of course).

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

One of the rare times I absolutely agree with you. This guy is a massive dud and everything about his appointment pisses me off, yet the Sack Lade thread has been allowed to sink onto the second page of this board with nary a whimper. Why? It's going to be momentously easier to void his contract than it is to do anything about Hinkley, and as far as I can see he hasn't met a single KPI which suggests he's any good at his job.

I've decided to set "competent forward coach" as my gauge for the off-season. It is the absolute minimum the club can do to acknowledge the cluster**** of a failure our forward line currently is. If we go into 2019 with Lade still "coaching" there, I think I'll have to take up a hobby on the weekends, because following Port will be unbearable.

I'm a little concerned about Lade as well. He gives nothing at his pressers. Just the same old boringness.
A good pa fella, but not sure about a good teacher/coach.

 

[elee]

what a year,,, cutting new lows for both Power and Pies

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/08...has-been-the-most-disappointing-side-of-2018/

Why Port Adelaide has been "the most disappointing side" of 2018

just to paste a bit from that link

“I think Ken Hinkley’s disarmed Port Adelaide,” King told SEN’s Whateley.

“They had strength areas last year. They were a very good scoring from clearance team, they had the second best attack in the competition, third best defence, they played a forward half game – best in the competition at locking the ball in that forward half.

“It was impossible to move the ball end to end against Port Adelaide.

“I think Hinkley has to look at the way he’s set this team up. Not just for the last few weeks, not just the scoring problems they’ve had, this is a full season-long problem.

..yada..

“They’ve been the most disappointing side this year. You can throw Essendon in there as well, but I think this has been done by design. This is the way Port wants to play,” King said.

“To be honest with you, I have no idea who Port Adelaide are now.”.

 

[jack_black16]

Where to begin?

* Todd Marshall, before the tragic death of his father, so soon after losing his mother, he was in amazing form, contender for Rising Star, since his return his form wasn't the same and then his season-ending injury in the SANFL.
* Sam Powell-Pepper, until he decided to sexually harass a woman in a nightclub, he was in good form. This is something the club should've dealt with, instead the AFL weighed in, he was never criminally charged with anything. His form was never the same after his return.
* Hamish Hartlett in career best form and then injuring his ACL at training.
* Paddy Ryder getting injured three times, especially after his All Australian and B&F season last year, him playing injured yesterday despite Billy Frampton waiting in the wings didn't help and shows how shallow our ruck depth currently is.
* Other players having season ending injuries, we're not talking Crows level soft tissue injuries all year, season ending injuries to Matthew Broadbent, Sam Hayes, Joel Garner, Willem Drew, Charlie Dixon, the list goes on
* Even when we were winning, as great as some of our wins this year have been, some of them were complete shit shows, the games against Brisbane at AO, Gold Coast in China, Carlton at the MCG and St. Kilda at Adelaide Oval were just awful to watch. Stark contrast to last year when all we could do was beat the shit out of bottom sides.

I'm not on the sack Hinkley bandwagon, because I don't know who should replace him that wouldn't put us into a worse position. I think he needs better support staff, we haven't been the same team since losing Alan Richardson and Phil Walsh, and now Brett Ratten is looking for a new job, I think he'd be great for us as a senior assistant. Martin Mattner would be a great addition too.

Um... powel pepper was actually in pretty average form before the nightclub incident. His form on returning was outstanding for nearly a couple of months before turning to crap.

 

[bacharach]

what a year,,, cutting new lows for both Power and Pies



just to paste a bit from that link

“I think Ken Hinkley’s disarmed Port Adelaide,” King told SEN’s Whateley.

“They had strength areas last year. They were a very good scoring from clearance team, they had the second best attack in the competition, third best defence, they played a forward half game – best in the competition at locking the ball in that forward half.

“It was impossible to move the ball end to end against Port Adelaide.

“I think Hinkley has to look at the way he’s set this team up. Not just for the last few weeks, not just the scoring problems they’ve had, this is a full season-long problem.

..yada..

“They’ve been the most disappointing side this year. You can throw Essendon in there as well, but I think this has been done by design. This is the way Port wants to play,” King said.

“To be honest with you, I have no idea who Port Adelaide are now.”.

This pleases me so much. I want more commentators to come out with this reasoning so our coaches are under the spotlight all off season.

 

[Us against the rest]

what a year,,, cutting new lows for both Power and Pies



just to paste a bit from that link

“I think Ken Hinkley’s disarmed Port Adelaide,” King told SEN’s Whateley.

“They had strength areas last year. They were a very good scoring from clearance team, they had the second best attack in the competition, third best defence, they played a forward half game – best in the competition at locking the ball in that forward half.

“It was impossible to move the ball end to end against Port Adelaide.

“I think Hinkley has to look at the way he’s set this team up. Not just for the last few weeks, not just the scoring problems they’ve had, this is a full season-long problem.
..yada..



“They’ve been the most disappointing side this year. You can throw Essendon in there as well, but I think this has been done by design. This is the way Port wants to play,” King said.

“To be honest with you, I have no idea who Port Adelaide are now.”.

You pasted the right bits.

 

[*PAF]

What went wrong is that apart from bits here and there we didn't look like a team.
Lots of individual class around the place but not a team.
Anything else is over analysing.

Dunno about individual coaches but the coaching team as a whole messed up.
The players could have coached themselves into a top 12 spot.

 

[HinkleysHeroes]

what a year,,, cutting new lows for both Power and Pies



just to paste a bit from that link

“I think Ken Hinkley’s disarmed Port Adelaide,” King told SEN’s Whateley.

“They had strength areas last year. They were a very good scoring from clearance team, they had the second best attack in the competition, third best defence, they played a forward half game – best in the competition at locking the ball in that forward half.

“It was impossible to move the ball end to end against Port Adelaide.

“I think Hinkley has to look at the way he’s set this team up. Not just for the last few weeks, not just the scoring problems they’ve had, this is a full season-long problem.

..yada..

“They’ve been the most disappointing side this year. You can throw Essendon in there as well, but I think this has been done by design. This is the way Port wants to play,” King said.

“To be honest with you, I have no idea who Port Adelaide are now.”.

That is the most knowledgeable thing he has ever said. I might need to change my mind on him.

 

[OneGreatClub]

what a year,,, cutting new lows for both Power and Pies



just to paste a bit from that link

“I think Ken Hinkley’s disarmed Port Adelaide,” King told SEN’s Whateley.

“They had strength areas last year. They were a very good scoring from clearance team, they had the second best attack in the competition, third best defence, they played a forward half game – best in the competition at locking the ball in that forward half.

“It was impossible to move the ball end to end against Port Adelaide.

“I think Hinkley has to look at the way he’s set this team up. Not just for the last few weeks, not just the scoring problems they’ve had, this is a full season-long problem.

..yada..

“They’ve been the most disappointing side this year. You can throw Essendon in there as well, but I think this has been done by design. This is the way Port wants to play,” King said.

“To be honest with you, I have no idea who Port Adelaide are now.”.

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