2019 ALL AUSTRALIAN TEAM

[BEEG]

Jack Crisp and Bridie Grundy should be locks

Treloar and DeGoey slight chance.

 

[Checkered]

Way too much competition at half back flank for anyone to be a lock there tbh

 

[Golden_6]

I really hope Macrae doesn't get overlooked again this year. He is just simply outstanding and because he's a quiet workhorse type, doesn't get a huge amount of media attention.

Some stats from a recent AFL.com.au article.

• 2 for crumbing possessions (ball won at ground level after a marking contest, when Macrae wasn't involved in the original aerial contest)
• 3 for effective disposals (kicks under 40m that hit the target, kicks over 40m that go to a 50/50 contest or better for the Dogs, and handballs that hit the target)
• 3 for assisted metres gained (metres gained by the player Macrae passed to)
• 4 for score assists (create a score by directly passing the football to a fellow Bulldog, whether via a disposal, knock-on, kick off the ground, hitout or when Macrae has won a free kick but someone else takes the advantage and scores)
• 5 for ground ball gets (contested possessions won at ground level, excluding free kicks.

He's also 5th in the league for AFL player ratings over the course of this season.

 

[YippeeYiYeo]

So we all know that both Grundy and Gawn should make the team. Whats the bet idiotic selectors leave out Max and pick another mid?

Has anyone looked at last years team and done an INS and OUTS list?

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

B:	Tom Stewart (Geelong)	Alex Rance (Richmond)	Rory Laird (Adelaide)
HB:	Shannon Hurn (West Coast)	Jeremy McGovern (West Coast)	Lachie Whitfield (Greater Western Sydney)
C:	Andrew Gaff (West Coast)	Dustin Martin (Richmond)	Steele Sidebottom (Collingwood)
HF:	Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong) (vice-captain)	Lance Franklin (Sydney) (captain)	Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide)
F:	Jack Gunston (Hawthorn)	Jack Riewoldt (Richmond)	Luke Breust (Hawthorn)
Foll:	Max Gawn (Melbourne)	Patrick Cripps (Carlton)	Tom Mitchell (Hawthorn)
Int:	Brodie Grundy (Collingwood)	Clayton Oliver (Melbourne)	Shaun Higgins (North Melbourne)
	Shane Edwards (Richmond)

We can rule out the bolded.

I'd only have Gawn, Cripps, Grundy, Stewart and Hurn as B2B AA's at this stage.

 

[Mofra]

B:	Tom Stewart (Geelong)	Alex Rance (Richmond)	Rory Laird (Adelaide)
HB:	Shannon Hurn (West Coast)	Jeremy McGovern (West Coast)	Lachie Whitfield (Greater Western Sydney)
C:	Andrew Gaff (West Coast)	Dustin Martin (Richmond)	Steele Sidebottom (Collingwood)
HF:	Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong) (vice-captain)	Lance Franklin (Sydney) (captain)	Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide)
F:	Jack Gunston (Hawthorn)	Jack Riewoldt (Richmond)	Luke Breust (Hawthorn)
Foll:	Max Gawn (Melbourne)	Patrick Cripps (Carlton)	Tom Mitchell (Hawthorn)
Int:	Brodie Grundy (Collingwood)	Clayton Oliver (Melbourne)	Shaun Higgins (North Melbourne)
	Shane Edwards (Richmond)

We can rule out the bolded.

I'd only have Gawn, Cripps, Grundy, Stewart and Hurn as B2B AA's at this stage.

Brad Sheppard a sneaky chance? Should well make the squad.
Surely Lachie Neale doesn't miss our either.

 

[adammania9]

Jack Crisp and Bridie Grundy should be locks

Treloar and DeGoey slight chance.

There's nothing special about Jack Crisp, he's just like most other running defenders in the comp. He's extremely overrated by Collingwood supporters.

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

Brad Sheppard a sneaky chance? Should well make the squad.
Surely Lachie Neale doesn't miss our either.

There's gonna be some contentious omissions/selections, as it feels like a pretty even year from a player perspective.
That said, I can't see Neale missing I'd pick Sheppard too, but could see him missing.

 

[4THAWN]

There's nothing special about Jack Crisp, he's just like most other running defenders in the comp. He's extremely overrated by Collingwood supporters.

I actually really rate Crisp. One of your most consistent performers

 

[Hava Alle]

B: Stewart Andrews Rampe
Hb: Lloyd Hurley Hurn (c)
C: Macrae Cripps (vc) T Kelly
Hf: Dangerfield Cameron Walters
F: Ablett Hawkins DeGoey
Foll: Grundy, Fyfe, Neale
Inter: Gawn, Boak, Bontempelli, Cunnington

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

What is this "kick rating" you speak of, and where can one refer to this measurement?

I think Shuey is rated appropriately, too. In the conversation with a group of others for a mid spot in the AA side.

It's an aggregate measure created by Champion Data.

They sometimes release a table post season, but it usually pops up in an article on the AFL website and/or CD's twitter. The most recent mention was a couple of weeks ago in a podcast interview on AFL.com.au.

One of CDs chief data people said that till that point, Kelly had the worst kick rating for a midfielder for the season.

 

[citizen-erased]

Stewart Andrews Rampe
Lloyd Keath Ryan
T.Kelly Cripps Bontempelli
Zorko Cameron Walters
Boak Hawkins De Goey
Grundy Neale Fyfe
Hurn Taranto Macrae Coniglio

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Stewart Andrews Rampe
Lloyd Keath Ryan
T.Kelly Cripps Bontempelli
Zorko Cameron Walters
Boak Hawkins De Goey
Grundy Neale Fyfe
Yeo Taranto Macrae Coniglio

Hurn and Stewart have easily been the best defenders this season.

There is no way Hurn misses if Yeo makes it. Also Shuey had overtaken Yeo.

 

[adammania9]

I actually really rate Crisp. One of your most consistent performers

He's good and consistent but so are most back flankers going around. He's a pretty underwhelming kicker in comparison to his AA competitors.

 

[citizen-erased]

Hurn and Stewart have easily been the best defenders this season.

There is no way Hurn misses if Yeo makes it. Also Shuey had overtaken Yeo.

I might take your word on that one and change yeo to hurn.
I was tossing between the two.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Zac Williams not getting enough mention. Laughable that someone like Crisp gets mentioned before him

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Andrews just moved past McGovern for best key defender according to champion data btw. 27th overall.

The same ratings have Casboult ahead of Blicavs.

As always, the best way to judge players is to watch them, which you have admitted you don't do with Tarrant. So I'm not sure how you can form an opinion as to his quality in comparison to players you do watch.

 

[Checkered]

The same ratings have Casboult ahead of Blicavs.

As always, the best way to judge players is to watch them, which you have admitted you don't do with Tarrant. So I'm not sure how you can form an opinion as to his quality in comparison to players you do watch.

Lol we still on this one are we.

The CD point was more just a fun fact than an argument for anything. The first responder was probably correct when he said teams are actively trying to avoid McGovern and limit his impact which Andrews obviously isn't copping.

I'm happy to admit he's a good key defender and has been for a while. But he's not a real chance for the team and literally the only people suggesting otherwise are North fans. Reckon he's behind McGovern, Andrews, Blicavs and Keath off the top of my head.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

I'm happy to admit he's a good key defender and has been for a while. But he's not a real chance for the team and literally the only people suggesting otherwise are North fans. Reckon he's behind McGovern, Andrews, Blicavs and Keath off the top of my head.

That's fine, I don't think he makes the final team either but I do think he's been as good as any key defender this year and is ridiculously underrated.

This thread is surely for discussion though, and I'm interested in what specifically Tarrant is lacking in compared to others. All you've done there is reeled off the usual few names that the media are throwing up for AA and admitted you don't actually watch North games.

 

[Turboman1994]

McGovern is still the best KPD by metrics best 1v1 win %tage rate and is leading the comp in intercept marks again has a stupidly high standard

 

[marty36]

Brad Sheppard a sneaky chance? Should well make the squad.
Surely Lachie Neale doesn't miss our either.

Wow Laird is having a shocking year for us no chance to get AA unless he turns it around , our leading player in our own B and F would be Matt Crouch

 

[marty36]

Stewart Andrews Rampe
Lloyd Keath Ryan
T.Kelly Cripps Bontempelli
Zorko Cameron Walters
Boak Hawkins De Goey
Grundy Neale Fyfe
Hurn Taranto Macrae Coniglio

Keath started like a house on fire but has lost his way

 

[Thewlis Dish]

McGovern is still the best KPD by metrics best 1v1 win %tage rate and is leading the comp in intercept marks again has a stupidly high standard

He's the best defender in the competition tbf. I can't think of another player who completely changes how the opposition play as much as he does.

 

[Forward Press]

He's the best defender in the competition tbf. I can't think of another player who completely changes how the opposition play as much as he does.

Not the only player on our team that does that.

At the risk of promoting ridiculous biased views of my own team, here's a post from equiv_clearly from a podcast earlier this week:

That was surprisingly interesting. Listening to Dixon and Goddard explain how other teams approach Nic was hilarious.

And in a way confirmed what I've always thought, that opposition clubs don't want to pump up Nic too much publically, it would demoralise their own rucks, but they sure as hell are paying him attention.

For anyone who can't be assed, they were basically saying that opposition clubs won't even bother trying to shark his taps. Instead, they try to limit the damage by blocking space and making it more likely the Eagles' midfielder/Nic Nat exits the stoppage at a less dangerous point. And then try to play their game when Naitanui goes to the bench.

There's dominance and then there's the Faustian-bargain-created opposition nightmare that is Nic Nat.

Phwoar, I'm beginning to work myself into a lather. Both rock hard and somehow wet at the same time.

That is the power of Nicholas Naitanui.

 

[Engimal v3]

I'm happy to admit he's a good key defender and has been for a while. But he's not a real chance for the team and literally the only people suggesting otherwise are North fans. Reckon he's behind McGovern, Andrews, Blicavs and Keath off the top of my head.

I'm pretty over this conversation now, but how can you possibly suggest a player that you have admitted that you don't watch is in front of or behind anyone? You have no frame of reference, other than statistics. I'm sure you must understand that these alone are not a valid way to assess players.