Prediction 2019 "Hypothetical Trade, FA, random player you wish we could get" thread..

[KermitJagger]

100%. The weird romance Hawk fans feel toward Anderson (who doesn't support Hawthorn) because his dad played some games here is irrelevant.

Trading out Gunston and Smith for an unproven draft pick will significantly weaken our list and our chances of winning a flag in the next 3 seasons, which we are led to believe is the ambition. You don't improve a middle of the ladder side by trading out two of the top 6-7 players at the club for an 18 year old. It is also entirely inconsistent with recent moves of trading Burton and a first rounder for Wingard; bringing in Patton and Frost now; going hard after Coniglio etc.

It just does not make sense. Could a Gunston, Smith or Breust type be on the move? Of course. But i'd be very surprised if it is for an early draft pick as opposed to getting a proven elite player into the club.

It's coincidence, it doesn't matter how often you or anyone else repeats that it's a romantic choice it doesn't make it true. Jesus.

 

[Brant]

Yep - but it won't - not a chance in hell we trade for pick 2.

Kinda reads like a statement of fact...

 

[Platten44]

The cryptor has been around a long time débutante, you appear to make yourself out as a bell-end by pointless statements such as this.

7.31pm 16 October 2019

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I know he is hit and miss but he did call frost requesting a trade to hawks a day before it happened. He would still have some solid connections at the hawks

Sounds more like Chook reads bigfooty.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

If you're trading to the top end of the draft Rowell is probably the one that you want to get.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

If you're trading to the top end of the draft Rowell is probably the one that you want to get.

They could want Rowell more but are saying they want Anderson to put others off the scent.

 

[KermitJagger]

If you're trading to the top end of the draft Rowell is probably the one that you want to get.

The last thing our midfield needs is a sub 185cm clearance player; a silky 190cm midfielder who impacts heavily forward to replace a similar 36 year old fellow on the other hand...

Both are talented kids but Rowell is the most logical choice for Gold Coast as he immediately helps them where they need it most, Anderson is the one you'd take if you already had a decent team.

 

[WWSD]

Trading out half the list for one solitary pick is a terrible list management decision.

Basically the off-season list changes would look something like this...

IN: Patton, Frost, Anderson, Maguinnes

OUT: Gunston, Smith, Breust, McEvoy, pick 11, 30, 47

 

[sven_inc]

As Tops often suggests, our trade periods need to be looked at on balance once its all said and done. Last year most feel we paid overs to get Wingard (I think we did) but all things considered Scrimshaw and Scully probably tipped things in our favour IMO.

If we lose an experienced player or two in an attempt to gain pick Anderson if may look as though we've weakened them team but considering we should be getting Patton, Frost, Maginess cheap and potentially a few more in theres every chance we come out on top overall in the short AND long term.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

The last thing our midfield needs is a sub 185cm clearance player; a silky 190cm midfielder who impacts heavily forward to replace a similar 36 year old fellow on the other hand...

Both are talented kids but Rowell is the most logical choice for Gold Coast as he immediately helps them where they need it most, Anderson is the one you'd take if you already had a decent team.

Rowell is lock to be a star, Anderson could be anything but also more flaky, be a massive risk to trade the world to land him.

 

[KermitJagger]

Trading out half the list for one solitary pick is a terrible list management decision. So basically it looks something like this...


IN: Patton, Frost, Anderson, Maguinnes

OUT: Gunston, Smith, Breust, McEvoy, pick 11, 30, 47

That’s not a net gain, that’s a loss!

I don't think anyone is suggesting that we lose all of Smith, Gunston, Breust and McEvoy are they?

 

[A Cut Above]

Repeating this over & over doesn't make it so.

You can't honestly think that the only reason we'd give up multiple senior players &/or picks is because his Dad played for us & very few other kids with Dads that played for us have worked out??

Nor does repeating over & over that we're desperate for Anderson purely because of his talent make it so either.

No, I don't think we're after him just because his dad played for Hawthorn. I'm not a fool in case you hadn't noticed. Obviously he is a very talented kid AND his dad played for Hawthorn.

Tell yourself this is all about his ability as much as you like but it's blindingly obvious from where I sit if his name wasn't Anderson few here would suggest we throw the farm at an unproven 19 year old. Nobody's saying how desperately important it is we go after his mate Rowell, despite him having equal if not more talent and GC's asking price for pick #1 & #2 likely to be similar this year - remember GC will be valuing those picks extremely highly because they want BOTH players. Asking GC to split them would command a MASSIVE price premium that simply isn't worth it.

It's really not - the amount of average players selected in the first 3 picks is fairly high.

Hawthorn's been telling us for years & years they think draft picks are overvalued, yet suddenly a 19 year old comes along we're happy to throw the farm at.

Totally coincidental his dad played for the Hawks, right?

 

[TallyHawk]

In the event that GW really did want Pick 2, what do we honestly think we will need to give us to get it?

Surely it involved pick 11. But what else?

If I was Stewy Dew I would chase Liam Shiels before Gunner and Bruest.

Liam gets his hands dirty, makes sacrifices, drives culture. They seem intent though on focusing on players that want to cash out.

Liam Shiels and pick 11 & Smith for pick pick 2 & 20.

I'd then try and convert next years 1st rounder into a 1st rounder this year.


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[Brant]

Trading out half the list for one solitary pick is a terrible list management decision. So basically it looks something like this...


IN: Patton, Frost, Anderson, Maguinnes

OUT: Gunston, Smith, Breust, McEvoy, pick 11, 30, 47

That’s not a net gain, that’s a loss!

Pretty sure you may have misread a post or article somewhere along the way

 

[WWSD]

When we end up finishing near the bottom next year in scoring don’t say I didn’t warn ya’ll.

 

[KermitJagger]

Rowell is lock to be a star, Anderson could be anything but also more flaky, be a massive risk to trade the world to land him.

It would be more of a risk for a shit club to take him, sure. The point is that we would be putting him into a role where he wouldn't immediately be a focus for other teams like he would at Gold Coast, we can facilitate his growth better.

Rowell is more of a sure thing but he's purely a contested mid and he's 178cm tall. There's risk, there's reward. Lots more reward in Anderson for a slight amount more risk.

 

[Bugs1977]

I don't think it weakens us a huge amount. Noah Anderson would have good production even in his first year, comparable to Rozee and likely even better.

That also doesn't factor in general improvement in other players and improvement in having Mitchell back in the lineup.

If we did get Noah then just think about the hypothetical talk we'd have every year about us poaching Rowell to be with his buddy. It will be like the rollercogster 2.0

 

[MrPremiership]

If I was Stewy Dew I would chase Liam Shiels before Gunner and Bruest.

Liam gets his hands dirty, makes sacrifices, drives culture. They seem intent though on focusing on players that want to cash out.

Liam Shiels and pick 11 & Smith for pick pick 2 & 20.

I'd then try and convert next years 1st rounder into a 1st rounder this year.


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i wouldn't think we'd get 20 back

 

[KermitJagger]

Hawthorn's been telling for years & years us they think draft picks are overvalued, yet suddenly a 19 year old comes along we're happy to throw the farm at.

Totally coincidental his dad played for the Hawks, right?

Oh yes let's just conflate the absolute top end of the draft with late first rounders. Good one.

 

[PenAndPaper]

I know he is hit and miss but he did call frost requesting a trade to hawks a day before it happened. He would still have some solid connections at the hawks

Haha nah, he just has heard the Goss of Frost and said it. He has no idea.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

It's not about the fact that it's a good "Hawthorn story" - it's that this kid is a genuine jet. You don't average 30 touches and close to 3 goals a game at any level of competition unless you're an unbelievable prospect.

That's exactly what Anderson averaged over the NAB League.

Against other underaged players. Just like how some VFL players can rack up 30 touches a game but then you put them in the seniors and they are just another average player. There is absolutely zero guarantee that Anderson bursts onto the scene in the AFL. There are multiple top 3 draft picks who have come in heavily regarded only to fizzle out.

If we can bring him in with a fair trade then I will be excited about his potential without doubt. If we trade a first rounder and two higher-teir best 22 players then I will be less enthused.

 

[KermitJagger]

Against other underaged players. Just like how some VFL players can rack up 30 touches a game but then you put them in the seniors and they are just another average player. There is absolutely zero guarantee that Anderson bursts onto the scene in the AFL. There are multiple top 3 draft picks who have come in heavily regarded only to fizzle out.

If we can bring him in with a fair trade then I will be excited about his potential without doubt. If we trade a first rounder and two higher-teir best 22 players then I will be less enthused.

I've watched a lot of his games this year it's not the same thing as a bloke like cousins getting 30 in the VFL. You need to watch the way he moves and positions himself, and the way he kicks. He's absolute class. He put them over the goal umpires hat from 50 with absolute ease.

 

[Brant]

The only reason we're so desperate to grab Anderson is his family connection, and because we've had a s**tty run with father/sons in the past.

No, I don't think we're after him just because his dad played for Hawthorn. I'm not a fool in case you hadn't noticed. Obviously he is a very talented kid AND his dad played for Hawthorn.

Weird, 'cause it kinda reads like you literally said that THE ONLY REASON is because his Dad played for us & F/S haven't worked out for us in the past

 

[Kinghts 24]

Last time i can remember there being so much talk about the top couple of draft picks was......2001?

We traded our best 2 young KPP in a 21 year old T. Croad and a 20 year old L. McPharlin to get our hands on pick one (and some steak knives / extra picks at the time)

The same year (2001) Freo received a compensation pick.

Sound familiar?

Would you trade pick 11 and a couple of players in their late 20s to get a similar outcome?

Guess we'll see.

 

[A Cut Above]

Weird, 'cause it kinda reads like you literally said that THE ONLY REASON is because his Dad played for us & F/S haven't worked out for us in the past

No, I said the REASON WE ARE SO DESPERATE is due to his family connection. I did not say that was the SOLE REASON we want him in the first place. Please work harder on your reading comprehension if you're going to argue with me in future as I dislike being forced to make the same point twice.