Analysis 2019 List, Game Plan and Best 22?

[Caj]

Out in straight sets twice in the last 3 years.
Lost their last 4 finals, all at the MCG in fact.

They still have their main players there & added the great Tom Mitchell & JOM. What do you see wrong with his list? No one wants to leave them & every one wants to go to them. Doesn't that make list management a little easier when you get the pick of the crop?

Yes they've gone out in straight sets but you need to take it in the context of following a 3 peat

There list is average to poor, they have a number of past it/injury prone veterans, a core of very good 25-28 year olds, and a bunch of ordinary youngsters. They have no decent key defenders, a one man midfield, and a makeshift medium/small midfield. Soft draw or not, that was a magnificent piece of coaching from Clarkson.

Had Horse pulled the same thing off you'd be on here proclaiming him a genius

 

[Caj]

It would seem a number of us no longer see KJ as best 22. Interested to hear the alternative case.

I haven't completed a best 22 yet but he would be fighting an uphill battle as he has been a liability on the field for a long time now. I have him competing for a spot in the 22 with the likes of Florent, Hayward, Ronke, Papley, Cunningham and Hewett, as well as the new recruits

 

[Tedeski]

Yes they've gone out in straight sets but you need to take it in the context of following a 3 peat

There list is average to poor, they have a number of past it/injury prone veterans, a core of very good 25-28 year olds, and a bunch of ordinary youngsters. They have no decent key defenders, a one man midfield, and a makeshift medium/small midfield. Soft draw or not, that was a magnificent piece of coaching from Clarkson.

Had Horse pulled the same thing off you'd be on here proclaiming him a genius

He he he ............
I'm proclaiming Horse a genius because even he hasn't been able to conjure up 4 straight finals losses on the SCG in 2 seasons.

You can paint things to look bad from one angle but also to look good from another.
When the media in general is attacking us, "Let's talk down our club" is a much more boring game than "Lets talk up our club" IMO but each to their own.
Until I see the sky falling, the sky is not falling.

 

[The Gong]

It would seem a number of us no longer see KJ as best 22. Interested to hear the alternative case.

I put KJ in the same basket as Hanners. Their greatest asset was their fitness and elite two way running. KJ also had that initial burst of speed off the clearance. They didn't have elite skills but they ran hard in offense and defense and could be involved two, three, four times in a run of play. Take that out of the equation and it severely restricts their value to the team. Hanners might recapture that but I don't think KJ will.

He'll try his guts out so he's an option if injuries hit but there's now a few young players in front of him that offer more.

 

[BloodySwan]

It would seem a number of us no longer see KJ as best 22. Interested to hear the alternative case.

Kieran is a midfielder, not a small forward. He could very well make the transition but his best games have always been running through the middle.

 

[HighReeve]

From a bloke who had a number of opportunities to put it on the line when his side was a chance and didn't.

There's a reason some of these blokes are commentating and not coaching.

jon brown sure has made a great coach

 

[RobbieK]

It would seem a number of us no longer see KJ as best 22. Interested to hear the alternative case.

I don't see a spot for him in the best 22 in my opinion.

At his peak around 2013-2015 he was averaging something like 25 possessions, five or six tackles and a goal a game.

In 2018 he averaged 14 possessions, 3.5 tackles and half a goal a game.

With those kinds of numbers isn't demanding selection as a midfielder and we have a number of more specialist small forwards who would be selected ahead of him in the forward line too.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I don't see a spot for him in the best 22 in my opinion.

At his peak around 2013-2015 he was averaging something like 25 possessions, five or six tackles and a goal a game.

In 2018 he averaged 14 possessions, 3.5 tackles and half a goal a game.

With those kinds of numbers isn't demanding selection as a midfielder and we have a number of more specialist small forwards who would be selected ahead of him in the forward line too.

Thanks RobbieK and other respondents. His output has diminished sharply in the past couple of years. I guess he will be a depth player, called on only when injuries hit.

Personally I'd like to see him captain the ressies and his leadership recognised with a formal development role that would see him focus on the first and second years.

 

[RUNVS]

But Hoyne wasn’t as glowing about the Swans, who’ve made 16 of the past 18 finals series.

Despite praising Sydney’s recent acquisition of axed Cat Daniel Menzel as a delisted free agent, Hoyne said there were some serious concerns over the club’s on-ball brigade.

Hoyne added that the Swans’ list for 2019 was ranked 13th in the competition, while their midfield group was lower.

“(Josh) Kennedy has been a superstar for a long time but now getting to 28 or 29 and (Luke) Parker is still a star. From there, people talk about (Callum) Mills and (Isaac) Heeney and say ‘they’ll go through the midfield’, but we haven’t actually seen any evidence of that yet. That’s just assuming they can do it,” Hoyne said.

“You have a look at their first six weeks (in 2017) when they were 0-6 and everyone was so surprised by that. But the whole reason for that was because they were absolutely smashed around the midfield. And if you have a look at the last two months of the year when they started to fade away, again it was because of the midfield.

“They’ll be using their (draft) selections to match Nick Blakey, who’s an Academy player. But he’s not going to be a midfield type they need.”

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/a...a/news-story/848e3b0b7be73e34ab3f576a818a3e60

Finally the AFL media is beginning to realise what Swans fans have known for years.

 

[The King!]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/a...a/news-story/848e3b0b7be73e34ab3f576a818a3e60

Finally the AFL media is beginning to realise what Swans fans have known for years.

We potentially have a poor midfield next year that’s for sure

 

[Tedeski]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/a...a/news-story/848e3b0b7be73e34ab3f576a818a3e60

Finally the AFL media is beginning to realise what Swans fans have known for years.

What?
Some one predicting that we won't make finals.
They should use any other team but the Swans for such predictions.
Credibility is not obviously important to them..

As we speak right now all 18 teams have 0 wins.
With no game plan at all & managing to lose 7 home games, we still fell jyst short of top 4.
This will be fun.

 

[Tedeski]

We potentially have a poor midfield next year that’s for sure

Potentially?
Well at least you've left your options open for us to potentially have a great midfield.
Can't be wrong that way.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Potentially?
Well at least you've left your options open for us to potentially have a great midfield.
Can't be wrong that way.

To be fair, if Kennedy does a knee, Parker does a shoulder, Heeney gets Glandular Fever and Mills breaks a foot skylarking our midfield is pretty buggered.

 

[TheMase]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/a...a/news-story/848e3b0b7be73e34ab3f576a818a3e60

Finally the AFL media is beginning to realise what Swans fans have known for years.

Gee I dunno about that. All I heard all year is how talented our players are, how we should be a monty for the flag and how Horse is the one holding us back.

The last time champion data released similar data we were ranked first for 2018 with the most elite players.

 

[RobbieK]

To be fair, if Kennedy does a knee, Parker does a shoulder, Heeney gets Glandular Fever and Mills breaks a foot skylarking our midfield is pretty buggered.

On that account potentially every team next year will have a rubbish midfield because they could lose their best for midfielders all at once.

 

[sthmelb_dimmies]

It was clear from early in the season that we were not going to win a premiership playing that brand of football, and it resulted in our most humiliating defeat in the last 15 years.

You clearly weren't at the Grand Final in 2014. Never wanted to dig a hole so much at any game of professional sport before.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

On that account potentially every team next year will have a rubbish midfield because they could lose their best for midfielders all at once.

That's precisely my point.

 

[sthmelb_dimmies]

Thanks RobbieK and other respondents. His output has diminished sharply in the past couple of years. I guess he will be a depth player, called on only when injuries hit.

Personally I'd like to see him captain the ressies and his leadership recognised with a formal development role that would see him focus on the first and second years.

Yes, it's likely Kieren's 2019 is shaping up to look like ROK's 2014.

 

[RobbieK]

Yes, it's likely Kieren's 2019 is shaping up to look like ROK's 2014.

Yup, would love to see otherwise because he refinds his form, but the trajectory over the last few years doesn't make me too optimistic.

 

[Tedeski]

To be fair, if Kennedy does a knee, Parker does a shoulder, Heeney gets Glandular Fever and Mills breaks a foot skylarking our midfield is pretty buggered.

Shouldn't make a difference, we should be able to cover the losses as Collingwood did, depth being the same & all.

I think I did that right Bruce.

 

[Tedeski]

Yup, would love to see otherwise because he refinds his form, but the trajectory over the last few years doesn't make me too optimistic.

I'm thinking/hoping, his drop off in form over the last two years was fitness related. Yes he is getting older but he may still have something to give yet.
If not then we can rest assured as a great clubman, he will do what asked of him, be it in the seniors or NEAFL in the last year of his contract.

 

[Caj]

You clearly weren't at the Grand Final in 2014. Never wanted to dig a hole so much at any game of professional sport before.

I was there

There's a difference between being flogged by a champion team at the top of their game, as opposed to being flogged by a rabble in crisis whose injury list was so bad they could barely field 22 players

 

[The Gong]

We potentially have a poor midfield next year that’s for sure

Maybe I'm just under some sort of illusion but I actually think we'll have a pretty decent midfield next year and a definite upgrade on this year. I know that everyone thinks that Kennedy had bad form this year but I think the rest of the midfield just left him too much to do on his own. Hanners and KJ really didn't have much of an impact so JPK and Parker had to do a a lot of the heavy lifting. Add the fact that Parker spent a lot of time forward to support the rookies there that left JPK getting sat on by the opposition defence. Also, while Sinclair was great around the field he didn't really provide silver service at clearances.

You put quality players like Mills and Heeney in the engine room, let Hewett keep developing, get Jones and Clarke to provide run and carry, Florent coming along in leaps and bounds, allow Parker to focus on his midfield role, that's still the nucleus for a pretty good midfield. I think with some help JPK could bounce back to his best.

I'm excited for 2019.

 

[Caj]

He he he ............
I'm proclaiming Horse a genius because even he hasn't been able to conjure up 4 straight finals losses on the SCG in 2 seasons.

You can paint things to look bad from one angle but also to look good from another.
When the media in general is attacking us, "Let's talk down our club" is a much more boring game than "Lets talk up our club" IMO but each to their own.
Until I see the sky falling, the sky is not falling.

Ted, I don't think anybody thinks the sky is falling, I think you're getting OT from my original point

I expect us to feature in the finals again next year comfortably, and we should be aiming to be top 4 and a premiership contender.

However, the game plan that was used this year was outdated and needs adjusting in 2019, Longmire himself has conceded this. I don't see why its such a big deal when this is highlighted by media pundits. They don't always get it right, but in this case their analysis appears to be pretty reasonable

 

[Wolftone]

You're being way too harsh on the Eagles. Forward line of Darling, Kennedy & Lecras is easily the best forward line on talent alone. Defence is being managed by McGovern (3x AA) & Hurn with Barrass rising through the ranks, while their midfield contains Natinui, Gaff, Shuey & Yeo and they win the premiership with 2 of them out! They're a much more talented team than people give them credit for

Nic at and Gaff did not play in the GF. I talk about raw talent alone not players who work at their trade. Barrass is a serviceable player at best. McGovern is easily beatable if you match him up and don't let him be the intercept player. Darling has talent but is a sporadic star at best. He had his best season ever in 2018.

Kennedy is a very good player. Lecras is the sort of player who will either break a game apart or be non existent. Ryan has pure talent. Of the rest they are basically hard workers. They work very well as a unit that's why they win games. Marsden, Shuey etc are hard workers without having huge natural talent. Their backs are just hard workers too.

They have a core group of highly talented invividuals but it is as a team they excel. We have more all round natural talent. But it us as a team we have not yet excelled. We rely on too few due to our game plan.

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