Me too (minus the swearing), that is, unless the pick swap in and of itself somehow benefits both parties. Definitely no to a meek trade for Martin after the fact.
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.......yes, along with shitting on one of their (soon-to-be) ex-players.
Just an abysmal exercise in chest-puffing and for all the wrong reasons.
Gold Coast fooled no one for what they did, other than to perform like jerks and pour bad-will upon their List management and recruitment team.
On a fail-scale, this would be pretty high.
Fisher probably, Dow I don't think so.
Until he gets his kicking sorted out he is a liability.
Excuse my naivety, but if no contract offer is tabled to Martin by 31 Oct (first list lodgement deadline), then he automatically becomes a DFA from 1st November?
So technically, he could be in the navy blue by the end of next week.
I'd be hoping this was the case....and any discussions around our pick 9 would be along the lines that we would guarantee a swap of draft picks with GCS on draft night if the players that we have targeted have already been selected - along the lines that we'll trade pick 9 for your pick 15 and a swap future 2nd/3rd round picks....or something like that.
So technically, he could be in the navy blue by the end of next week.
I'd be hoping this was the case....and any discussions around our pick 9 would be along the lines that we would guarantee a swap of draft picks with GCS on draft night if the players that we have targeted have already been selected - along the lines that we'll trade pick 9 for your pick 15 and a swap future 2nd/3rd round picks....or something like that.
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I’m a bit confused about the specific workings of the DFA as well mate.
Someone has suggested Newnes had a contract offer from Saints for two years but rejected it as it was a low ball and he is now going to delist himself so we can potentially pick him up as DFA.
So you would assume that Martin would be the same but all the talk is him risking going into PSD.
Is Newnes actually a RFA and that’s why this is the case but not for Martin as he will not be RFA til next year?
I don't think that can be right. If he is offered a contract he cannot just delist himself. That would mean every out of contract would or could do this, such as Jack Martin. St Kilda has to delist him.
Edit; I think Newnes was a free agent before the trade period.
It is all a bit confusing.
Correct on your last assumption as far as I know that is the case. Unless Newnes signs the contract in front of him by Oct 31 he automatically becomes a delisted free agent. Martin on the other hand is not a free agent of any kind and therefore has to go through either of the drafts if he is not signed up.
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In this scenario, St Kilda are actually doing the right thing by him and delisting him, rather than him refusing to sign the contract and therefore delisting himself.
If I had to guess, I'd suggest the following may have occurred:
- St Kilda offered Newnes a 2yr deal on a very modest salary, knowing they'd be chasing Brad Hill and Newnes would potentially end up being a depth option for them next year.
- Newnes chose to explore the market, and Carlton expressed significant interest (oddly enough, the timing would probably line up with us cooling on Ellis...coincidence?).
- Newnes could have left as a restricted free agent before the trade period started, but St Kilda may have asked him to sit tight, as an opportunity for a bigger contract and senior game time may have been possible if the Hill pursuit failed.
- In return for his patience, St Kilda may have agreed to delist him if they landed Hill to ensure he wasn't forced into the draft instead.
St Kilda's potential compensation if he'd left as a RFA would likely have been in the third round (Pick 45-50?). Sure, they've missed out on that now, but if they'd let Newnes go for 45, then failed to land Hill, they'd have been stuck without an AFL-ready winger. So they give up a third round pick for the security of having a fallback plan of upping their contract offer to Newnes.
Once I get a car which can drive from Perth to Melbourne in a decent time, I'll be there every week.
At least I got to witness Murph's game winner live
Getting Jack Newnes is a nice addition, great work Blues.
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Delisted Saint to play on at Carlton after rejecting two-year deal
Jack Newnes will continue his career at Carlton after informing the Saints of his desire to move as a delisted free agent
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This will put pressure on the younger types to perform and perform consistently. Newnes will have their spot if they don't.Getting Jack Newnes is a nice addition, great work Blues.
Delisted Saint to play on at Carlton after rejecting two-year deal
Jack Newnes will continue his career at Carlton after informing the Saints of his desire to move as a delisted free agent
Competition is good!
As things stand now after the Newnes news and assuming we take Martin in the PSD, lets say we add 3 players via the ND and 2 players via the RD.
SPS Jones Plowman
Marchbank Weitering Docherty
Walsh Cripps Setterfield
Cuningham Curnow Martin
Betts McKay McGovern
Kreuzer Curnow Murphy
Silvagni Dow Stocker Fisher
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Simpson Goddard(R) Silvagni
Newman Macreadie Williamson
Newnes Robertson(ND 9) OBrien
Lang Casboult Polson
Owies(R) De Koning ODwyer
Pittonet Kennedy Gibbons(R)
Cottrell(R) (ND) (ND) (RD) (RD)
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Cat A Rookie 5
Cat B Rookie 1
SPS Jones Plowman
Marchbank Weitering Docherty
Walsh Cripps Setterfield
Cuningham Curnow Martin
Betts McKay McGovern
Kreuzer Curnow Murphy
Silvagni Dow Stocker Fisher
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Simpson Goddard(R) Silvagni
Newman Macreadie Williamson
Newnes Robertson(ND 9) OBrien
Lang Casboult Polson
Owies(R) De Koning ODwyer
Pittonet Kennedy Gibbons(R)
Cottrell(R) (ND) (ND) (RD) (RD)
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Cat A Rookie 5
Cat B Rookie 1
Not 100% sure but I think he had to be delisted by St Kilda because he had a contract in front of him.
Saints have done this to make sure he can get to his new club.
He missed the first free agency period so I think this is why he had to be delsited.
Stand to be corrected though.
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Fair crack.
Reckon Simmo starts in the seniors, no point him going around again if that wasn't the case. He might not be there by the end of the year, but that'll come down to form.
Expecting Newnes to impress during the preseason and start in the seniors too. Good opportunity to give one of the kids a reality check and see how they respond.
Gibbons same deal, plenty of scope for improvement in his game with another preseason.
Newman too, was one of our better players last season. Maybe Docherty coming back forces him out, maybe it's one of him and Simmo but not both. But I have a feeling he's in the side at the start of the year.
So my changes would be:
IN - Simpson, Newnes, Gibbons, Newman(?)
OUT: Fisher, Stocker, Dow, Cuningham(?)
Looking at it now though...it's 4 attacking players out for 2 defensive players and 2 transition players. So maybe Teague will see it differently.
Just think we'll start with a more mature/experienced side under Teague, with the expectation that we win games early in the year and carry that momentum forward, bringing "kids" in a little more sparingly.
I think it is fair to assume that the contract the put in front of Newnes was not an attractive one. They tried to trade him to no interest and now he is going for no reward the right thing to do by the player is up the offer or delist him.
They clearly were't that keen to keep him.
They clearly were't that keen to keep him.
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The offer of a contract is irrelevant.
St Kilda can (and did) delist him by 31 October - if they do, he becomes a Delisted Free Agent. It makes no difference what went on with the offering of contracts before this. He just has to convince St Kilda to do right by him and delist him.
If they don't (and he is out of contract), he can delist himself on 11 November but must enter a draft.
From a full squad my 22 for R1 would be
Casboult Jones Newman
SPS Weitering Docherty
Fisher Cripps Walsh
McGovern Curnow Martin
Betts McKay Cuningham
Kreuzer Curnow Murphy
Silvagni, Newnes, Simpson, Setterfield
Casboult Jones Newman
SPS Weitering Docherty
Fisher Cripps Walsh
McGovern Curnow Martin
Betts McKay Cuningham
Kreuzer Curnow Murphy
Silvagni, Newnes, Simpson, Setterfield
Yes, no doubt Simpson will be in the team as you never have a full list to choose from.
With that in mind, I just decided to "put him on the shelf" so to speak and kinda have a peek at what the side might look like without him going forward.
Im backing in Fisher Stocker Dow and Cuningham and hope the club do too ...
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Fair call, can see arguments either way. Reaching a point where we're going to have some really varied "preferred" sides, lots of flexibility in the list now.
OUTS__________ INS -
Thomas__________ Newnes
Pickett___________ Betts
Phillips___________ Pittonet
Schumacher_______ Martin
Garlett___________ #9
LeBois____________ Manton?
Deluca____________ TBC
Fasolo____________ TBC
Lobbe____________ TBC
Kerr______________ TBC
If Martin comes on and especially so for nothing, we would be in front from this trade/draft period.
Nailing the #9 could make all the difference though.
Would love someone like a Jordan Clark, Xavier Duursma or a Zac Butters @ that #9.
To have a player that come come in and make impact from the get-go, would put a different light on what came about from our trading and drafting.
Still not sure we need impact from the get go, Clark did take a little while to get going.
Robertson, Rivers, Gould, Flander, Ash, Young - They are some names that may be around our pick that could potentially play early in their career. Gould and Flanders feel the most likely to come straight into a team.
Robertson, Rivers, Gould, Flander, Ash, Young - They are some names that may be around our pick that could potentially play early in their career. Gould and Flanders feel the most likely to come straight into a team.
Pickett doesn’t real count, as Deluca came onto the list, giving us 44 (+ Owies) for the second half of the year.
Pickett did start the year on the list though.
Hard to pretend he didn't exist, regardless of following circumstances.
I'd love for him to still be on it too. Wonder whether someone may be keeping an eye on him?
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